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Texan...
01-23-2006, 01:15 PM
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Does anyone else find the current Spitfire series to handle poorly? Most of the Spits I fly seem to suffer from the same wobble diesease as the P51. Very hard to keep the nose settled down long enough for any kind of accurate gunnery. Also, the Hispano ballistics seem to be about as poor as a Mk108. Try a Spitfire first, then hop in a LaGG 3 or Bf109.....

Just a few toughts, and I know: "Learn to Fly."

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Texan...
01-23-2006, 01:15 PM
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Does anyone else find the current Spitfire series to handle poorly? Most of the Spits I fly seem to suffer from the same wobble diesease as the P51. Very hard to keep the nose settled down long enough for any kind of accurate gunnery. Also, the Hispano ballistics seem to be about as poor as a Mk108. Try a Spitfire first, then hop in a LaGG 3 or Bf109.....

Just a few toughts, and I know: "Learn to Fly."

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berg417448
01-23-2006, 01:21 PM
Sounds like you are afflicted with the "wobbles" just as I am. So far, none of the "fixes" others have posted have worked for me. I've just had to adjust my joystick sensitivities and learn to live with it.

Jaws2002
01-23-2006, 01:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Texan...:
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Does anyone else find the current Spitfire series to handle poorly? Most of the Spits I fly seem to suffer from the same wobble diesease as the P51. Very hard to keep the nose settled down long enough for any kind of accurate gunnery. Also, the Hispano ballistics seem to be about as poor as a Mk108. Try a Spitfire first, then hop in a LaGG 3 or Bf109.....

Just a few toughts, and I know: "Learn to Fly."

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You nice?

faustnik
01-23-2006, 01:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Texan...:
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Does anyone else find the current Spitfire series to handle poorly? Most of the Spits I fly seem to suffer from the same wobble diesease as the P51. Very hard to keep the nose settled down long enough for any kind of accurate gunnery. Also, the Hispano ballistics seem to be about as poor as a Mk108. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, a lot of people have the wobble problem, looks like you are one of the people with the problem, sry. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

About, the Hispano balistics, they are very good on my system. Maybe the wobble is causing aim problems for you.

Texan...
01-23-2006, 02:08 PM
Lol @ Jaws.

Faustnik, I could maybe accept the wobble disease possibility, except on MY SYSTEM: The LaGG, Yak, 109 and even 190 series range from rock-solid up to reasonably stable (La's/190). P38 is also niiiice and stable. WhooHoo!

So this wobbles syndrome is affecting only selected aircraft?

I guess we could start a community list and see if a trend develops.....

Nominees to the Wobblers Society:

1) Spitfire
2) P51
3) P47
4) F4U
5) F6F
6) P39

faustnik
01-23-2006, 02:10 PM
Here is the Spitfire on my system Texan:

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mdegnan/_files/SpitIX_ntrk.zip

Texan...
01-23-2006, 02:16 PM
Oh and maybe using the word wobble is wrongo. The above aircraft feel like their center of gravity is far aft. Almost on the tail at some times.

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VW-IceFire
01-23-2006, 03:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Texan...:
Oh and maybe using the word wobble is wrongo. The above aircraft feel like their center of gravity is far aft. Almost on the tail at some times.

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I have similar problems. Getting a Spitfire on target is difficult. Its not as bad for me as on the Mustang (the worst by far) but its there and its difficult to contend with.

The Clipped wing version seems easier to manage right now so I'm flying the clipped versions whenever possible.

LStarosta
01-23-2006, 03:40 PM
Save a Spit, ride a P-38.

Texan...
01-23-2006, 03:49 PM
There, better subject header.

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Kwiatos
01-23-2006, 05:30 PM
1. P-51
2. P-51
3. P-51
4. P-51
5. P-51
6. P-51
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. P-51

Rest planes are for suffer.

horseback
01-23-2006, 05:33 PM
You might want to check your sensitivity settings for your joystick--what works well for the Bf 109 made almost everything else in the inventory ultra twitchy on my rig.

I set my sensitivities much lower to:

PITCH: 6 8 11 15 22 31 42 53 65 79 Filter:0.1
ROLL: 10 13 17 22 28 35 45 57 72 85 Filter:0.1
YAW: 15 18 22 28 36 45 55 65 75 85 Filter:0.1

All of a sudden, the wobbliest planes got a good bit better, although the 109 now requires a lot more rudder input to fly straight. Even so, some just don't handle as pilot memoirs advertise, most notably the Mustang and the Corsair. Take a look, if you're so inclined.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/8951031104/p/1

I started a thread with a number of reviews of aircraft flight characteristics this weekend, detailing my techniques with each type

What method do you use for trim? Button assignment or axis (the notorious 'trim on a slider')? I found that the Spit, once trimmed so it's just a hair nose-down (I use button assigned trim) is pretty smooth and controllable once you're used to it.

The big problem for all Marks of the Spitfire is the nose oscillations when you fire the guns; you can only expect the first couple of rounds to go where you were aiming.

This is common to a number of aircraft that feature wingmounted armament, although the way it affects some seems completely arbitrary.

cheers

horseback

Texan...
01-23-2006, 05:57 PM
I use CrazyIvan's settings (can't post them right now since I am on my Mac.) As I understand they are quite conservative. I am still reluctant to think that any amount of stick fiddlling is going to bring about any real fix for my aforementioned list....although I will try out your numbers.

As for the P51, yes I just completely spin out of control if I try to fly it remotely like a fighter plane.

And the Spitfire, I am not losing control of the ship. Turns and climbs and handles like a bat...but once you try to pull lead on a target and make adjustments, the nose floats all over the world. That's before I even trigger the guns.

The F4U actual has both the awful above characteristics. I firmly believe the real problem lies in the coding of these specific aircraft.

partic_10
01-23-2006, 06:01 PM
Interestingly, I just upgraded my mobo and vid card (7800GTX - wow, baby!!) and joystick (this is probably the relevant bit) and then rebuilt PC and now have noticed this exaggerated wobble for the first time! I have added some filtering and it is manageable but, well, there you go. I feel it has to do with the joystick more than anything and it affected the P40E and the 109G that I have flown since the upgrade.

GR142-Pipper
01-23-2006, 07:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Texan...:
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Does anyone else find the current Spitfire series to handle poorly? Most of the Spits I fly seem to suffer from the same wobble diesease as the P51. Very hard to keep the nose settled down long enough for any kind of accurate gunnery. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Definitely the Spit seems like it's on a sensitive gimbal with an aft CG feel. It's similar to P-51 in this regard.

GR142-Pipper

Targ
01-23-2006, 07:54 PM
Yeah, the T-61 Weeblo is horrible!

Unknown-Pilot
01-23-2006, 08:25 PM
The Spitfire is one of the best planes for me. I've even had it as low as 150kph IAS on Crimea and it was rock steady for me.

I'm not the only one - see Faust's track. It's not the planes. So any such "list" is invalid.

Texan...
01-23-2006, 10:03 PM
Invalid eh?

partic_10
01-23-2006, 10:38 PM
I'm going to do something tomorrow. As I said above I just swapped mobo, vid card and joystick and now have the exaggerated wobble. But I also changed the way I patched the game. This was the first time I'd followed the patch recommendations in the sticky thread and I was adding an extra bit, 3.2 or something. Mmmmm...

Zeus-cat
01-23-2006, 10:46 PM
1) P-51
2) The weeble

The weeble wobbles, but it won't fall down.

Sorry, but somebody had to say it!

slo123
01-23-2006, 11:02 PM
does anyone have any fixes for the wobbles?
i seem to have them pretty bad cant make a good shot for anything cause of them

MystiqBlackCat
01-24-2006, 10:26 AM
I too am a victim of the terrible wobbles. My stick settings all start with 1 5 9 15... and yet i still have enormous trouble keeping the nose of certain planes steady enough for a good gunnery solution.

In a QMB I noticed that if I jerk the joystick back on a P-47 the nose "wobbles" up and down four or five times. The effect when you look at the plane from externals is comical.

My understanding of physics and aerodynamics is not enough for a degree but those motions do not look like what a heavy airplane moving at 400 kph (+/- 10kph) should be doing. I hope the next patch addresses the issue.

Planes affected on my system: (Will test more when I get off of work)
P-47s
P-51s
Spits
FW-190s (to a lesser extent but still present)
P-39s (the CoG is centered in the airframe due to engine placement and although it is present now, I noticed some "wobble" before the patch because of this.)

lowfighter
01-24-2006, 10:57 AM
This wobble issue is insane. I don't have it anymore but don't ask me how much 'magic' I applied to get rid of it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
I have no idea what from that magic cured it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Unknown-Pilot
01-24-2006, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Texan...:
Invalid eh? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aye.

We all have the same code.
Some people do not experience any "wobble" issues at all, with any planes.

Therefore, the planes themselves are not responsible.

As such, such a list is purely subjective, relative, and invalid because it's very premise requires it to be the planes themselves, and not some outside influence. Which of course would then be affecting absolutely everybody across the board with no exceptions.

BigganD
01-24-2006, 05:08 PM
OMG! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif

Xiolablu3
01-25-2006, 03:44 AM
1: P51
2: Corsair
3: Hellcat

Its like if you have a box hung on some string and tip one corner, it wobbles on its axis. This is the ffect I get using the above planes. Its like they have no forward inertia to prevent it and they are almost stood still.


Interestingly I dont find the Spitfire too bad, its one of my favourite planes, a dream to fly - as it should be.