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Wildnoob
05-17-2009, 11:04 AM
hello!

I are again asking help here for you all great pilot's.

there are two things that I don't know.

first one is about the machine guns safety. in the A6M we can see the back of the nose mounted machine guns or the machine gun in later models.

sorry for my ignorance, I don't know the term in english, but there are two wat I gonna call "levers" in the machine guns. I though, even not knowing everything, that was for put and retrive the guns on safety and ready for fire mods.

but I was watching a promotional dogfigth video featuring the use of guns of the new WWI sim: Rise of Fligth.

here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdecOfipAiE

I don't know anything about WWI aircraft, but seems to me that are the same levers, and they are moving when the trigger is pressed.

in a sumary, in real life those "levers" would be moving when the gun is fired in the A6M like that WWI plane and this was not modeled in IL2?

the another one I have almost sure, but would like to have a confirmation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLr_Wo15OPc&feature=channel_page)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAQpsIpRKOA&feature=channel_page)

this is non sound footage from G3M "Nell" bombers attacking allied ships during the Malayan and Singapure campaing according to a translator I used for the video's tittle.

the crew members all have a cable fixed in their fligth helmets. it was for the intercomm system?

already ask too much. thank you very much for had just read this topic!

Wildnoob
05-17-2009, 11:04 AM
hello!

I are again asking help here for you all great pilot's.

there are two things that I don't know.

first one is about the machine guns safety. in the A6M we can see the back of the nose mounted machine guns or the machine gun in later models.

sorry for my ignorance, I don't know the term in english, but there are two wat I gonna call "levers" in the machine guns. I though, even not knowing everything, that was for put and retrive the guns on safety and ready for fire mods.

but I was watching a promotional dogfigth video featuring the use of guns of the new WWI sim: Rise of Fligth.

here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdecOfipAiE

I don't know anything about WWI aircraft, but seems to me that are the same levers, and they are moving when the trigger is pressed.

in a sumary, in real life those "levers" would be moving when the gun is fired in the A6M like that WWI plane and this was not modeled in IL2?

the another one I have almost sure, but would like to have a confirmation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLr_Wo15OPc&feature=channel_page)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAQpsIpRKOA&feature=channel_page)

this is non sound footage from G3M "Nell" bombers attacking allied ships during the Malayan and Singapure campaing according to a translator I used for the video's tittle.

the crew members all have a cable fixed in their fligth helmets. it was for the intercomm system?

already ask too much. thank you very much for had just read this topic!

M_Gunz
05-17-2009, 12:23 PM
Those are the charging handles to load the first round and "charge" the spring that drives the firing pin.
Once the bullet fires, energy from that cycles the bolt and "re-charges" the spring automatically as in "automatic-weapon".
It's only a matter of mechanism if the handle has to move or not, the charging handle on an M-16A-1 certainly does not.

Yeah those cables to the helmets are for on-board intercom.

Skycat_2
05-17-2009, 12:41 PM
I've always understood those levers are charging handles. Basically the guns are 'safe' until you pull the handles to insert the first bullet into the receiver and set the firing pin to the armed position. When that bullet is fired the recoil causes the machine gun to load the next bullet and rearm the firing pin, and the process repeats itself. Since the levers are connected to the gun's action I suppose they would move like that during firing.

Check out this video on the M2 Browning machine gun; you can see similarities in operation:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/.../browning_m2_firing/ (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1428291/browning_m2_firing/)

Here is a video of a WWI machine gun being fired at a tree; notice that that the gunner has to be careful that the rotating wheel of the firing mechanism does not smash his knuckles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2jdlfmaHuk

And here's a 1910 Maxim machine gun being fired:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdU2erseKSc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIpQ3JvcbV8

Wildnoob
05-17-2009, 12:58 PM
wow, thank you very much for the informations!

how I love these boards, so nice people always teach me someting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif