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Realjambo
11-30-2006, 11:03 AM
My Fellow, Dear Dear Kaleuns

I Should have finished my PC upgrade by now, but I have a few teething problems, I'll be grateful if I may pick the brains of the PC guru's we have here! Am using lady wife's wireless lptop to post this.

New Kit: Asus A8V - XE, AMD 64 4000 939pin, XFX Nvidia 7900GT PCI-E. Rest of my kit is out the old set up.

Booted on 1st power up no probs! straight to Desktop ! (Yup amazed myself there!) Windows sees the new CPU, my HDD's and Soundcard, and all fans are spinning - no worries. Tried to install GFX card drivers off the disk out the XFX box, wouldn't let me. Basically Windows said there was no GFX card installed. Tried installing 91.31 drivers from the XFX website. Same thing hapenned http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Opened up the case again to check seating of the GFX card, all looks OK and I've used the power 'dongle' - XFX's words not mine so it has enough power to attatch the card to the power loom off the PSU (550watt Hiper)

Now when it boots up it get to the 'choose your user profile', click on that then it reboots - so I'm not getting anywhere now at all!

One thought - should I try to install the stuff off the Asus disk that came with the mobo before the GFX drivers - if and when i can get onto the desktop?

Please someone help! I was so chuffed at doing this without any help, it was all going swimmingly!

I'm not going to bed until this is sorted (I hope!) I've been waiting for today for weeks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif


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Realjambo
11-30-2006, 11:03 AM
My Fellow, Dear Dear Kaleuns

I Should have finished my PC upgrade by now, but I have a few teething problems, I'll be grateful if I may pick the brains of the PC guru's we have here! Am using lady wife's wireless lptop to post this.

New Kit: Asus A8V - XE, AMD 64 4000 939pin, XFX Nvidia 7900GT PCI-E. Rest of my kit is out the old set up.

Booted on 1st power up no probs! straight to Desktop ! (Yup amazed myself there!) Windows sees the new CPU, my HDD's and Soundcard, and all fans are spinning - no worries. Tried to install GFX card drivers off the disk out the XFX box, wouldn't let me. Basically Windows said there was no GFX card installed. Tried installing 91.31 drivers from the XFX website. Same thing hapenned http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Opened up the case again to check seating of the GFX card, all looks OK and I've used the power 'dongle' - XFX's words not mine so it has enough power to attatch the card to the power loom off the PSU (550watt Hiper)

Now when it boots up it get to the 'choose your user profile', click on that then it reboots - so I'm not getting anywhere now at all!

One thought - should I try to install the stuff off the Asus disk that came with the mobo before the GFX drivers - if and when i can get onto the desktop?

Please someone help! I was so chuffed at doing this without any help, it was all going swimmingly!

I'm not going to bed until this is sorted (I hope!) I've been waiting for today for weeks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif


.....And to think I only upgraded to get a new GFX card to try and beat Goose in the Screenshot Comp!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Minoos
11-30-2006, 11:19 AM
RJ, safe way to ckeck that your system sees the GFX card properly: ( mine is an XFX 7600GT )
run debug , type
d c000:0
The following picture show my results, model and video BIOS version are displayed.
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Realjambo
11-30-2006, 11:23 AM
Minoos Thankyou so much.

I run that off the 'C' prompt yes? Am I understanding you correctly?

I have to put our boys to bed now, so I'll be back in an hour hopefully. I'll try that.

I forgot to mention, when I checked the seating of the 7900GT, it was warm so I assume it isn't a dead unit.

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Minoos
11-30-2006, 11:35 AM
Obviously, you have to install the new drivers for your motherboard VIA chipset .
If it fails the same way, open the device manager, Computer item. You should read "ACPI Uniprocessor PC". Manualy update the driver to the same. It should force a complete detection of all your hardware devices.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Kaleun1961
11-30-2006, 12:04 PM
Minoos, glad you chipped in here. I was hoping someone more experienced than myself could help out. I agree with you; the first thing you must do when you've done a complete wipe of a hard drive and OS installation is install the device drivers for the motherboard. After that, you add in the drivers for the individual devices. I am hoping that installing the board drivers will fix Jambo's problem.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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madsarmy
11-30-2006, 12:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
the first thing you must do when you've done a complete wipe of a hard drive and OS installation is install the device drivers for the motherboard. After that, you add in the drivers for the individual devices. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah chipset drivers always first.

I always install chipset drivers first then get my internet set up. Then download the windows updates eg SP2,DX9 etc. Then I install the drivers for Graphics card etc. It stopped me having the "can't find hardware" issues.

Jambo if you can't find the answers here try the IL2 comunity help. There are some very clever PC guys who will be more than happy to help you out.
They really know thier sh*t.
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Realjambo
11-30-2006, 12:52 PM
Thanks everyone. I *think* not (yes yes I know NOT) installing chipset drivers is my problem. This is only the 2nd time I've done such a major upgrade. I'm going to do those then I'll be back here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

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Realjambo
11-30-2006, 01:21 PM
I apologise now for double or triple posts!

OK, I'm trying to install the chipset drivers off the disk that came with the mobo. It keeps rebooting before they've had time to install Grrr!

EDIT: OK, tried to install the chipset drivers. Thought I had done it, but got a window pop up that said something like 'The following installs failed:' and it was all of them.

Tried again, no I have an error message saying:

'Sorry, some imported files of this package are missed. Please download the package again to contact with the service provider. Press OK to terminate the install wizard'

Press Ok and get confirmation that the install of VIA Driver Setup Program failed.

Mmmm. Now what guys? Do I have to download the drivers from the net? Might that conflict with what's already half on there?

OH LOOK! Another reboot! Marvellous! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Minoos
11-30-2006, 01:43 PM
Via drivers:
http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=1&CatID=1070
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bunkerratt
11-30-2006, 01:49 PM
thats crazy....i never had to install any board drivers with the excption of the net.card...when i do a build or rebuild..i start with a raw drive/drives...install the os .then update then add in 3rd party cards ..with drivers .then i go back into bios and disable the onboard vid and sound..this has to be a simole fix..christ at this rate somebody will tell rj to flash the bios.."bad plan"...the more he tries to install chipset drivers the worse it's going to get...pissing around ..i would advise to do a compleate drive wipe and start from ground "0" but my guess is that rj does not have a copy of "killdisk" on floppy?...after reading the post's from rj ..he can see the boot cycle so the card is working? or is the monitor hooked to the onboard vid ?... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Minoos
11-30-2006, 02:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Asus A8V - XE </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No onboard video card. Crazy?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Realjambo
11-30-2006, 02:12 PM
Ok I'll be brief, not being rude but PC keeps rebooting. I'm on it at the moment.

Minoos - ta for the link - dl'd the chipset drivers but get same message as before, about some files not being complete.

BR - Thanks for your advice, I'm really really really loathed to wipe either of my HD's - if I understand you correctly.

I agree this should have been so simple!! BUild the machine, install some drivers for the GFX card, the rest - sound card etc are all on the HD's anyway. Last build I did (2 1/2 yrs ago on another Asus board) I didn't have to install chipset drivers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I'll be on here (hopefully for a few hours yet) I'm so gutted, I thought it was all going so well!

EDIT: So have I screwed my chipset having tried to install drivers everal times? Please understand I'm not having a 'go' at anyone - I'm really really truly grateful for any help, I'm just trying to understand what I've done and not done that's all.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Realjambo
11-30-2006, 02:15 PM
@ Minoos

Forgive my ignorance here, how do I tell if there is onboard GFX?

If it helps, the screen I'm looking at is REALLY chunky and resolution is poor - can't find any way to adjust it. I went into 'Display' in Control Panel the damn PC rebooted - I'll try again...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Minoos
11-30-2006, 02:24 PM
The backplate of the motherboard would have a VGA port ( 15 pin female ).<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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FongFongFong
11-30-2006, 02:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Realjambo:
Forgive my ignorance here, how do I tell if there is onboard GFX? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually this question seems to tell us quite alot.

Surely your mother board documentation comes with this information.

Surely you looked all of this up before you started this project.

This leads to only one possible conclusion.

You need some sleep.
Maybe a few beers.

So go and relax
and think about this project again tomorrow
or the next day.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Realjambo
11-30-2006, 02:28 PM
OK I'll go check under the desk. BTW Minoos, I ran that test you suggested - I ONLY get the first 8 line 'report' - just the same as in your screenshot but ONLY the first 8 lines.

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Kaleun1961
11-30-2006, 02:28 PM
Modern boards have video graphics built in to them. The connector where you would hook up to this is along the row of all the other connectors, like the onboard LAN, sound, USB ports and the like. When you add a graphics card, you need to connect to the connector on the card, not the motherboard's graphics connector.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Realjambo
11-30-2006, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Actually this question seems to tell us quite alot.

Surely your mother board documentation comes with this information.

Surely you looked all of this up before you started this project </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


In this day and age who looks for or uses or needs onboard GFX? That's my excuse http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Minoos
11-30-2006, 02:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Control Panel the damn PC rebooted </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You can also go start menu-&gt;run type:
devmgmt.msc - Device manager
desk.cpl - Display propoerties
appwiz.cpl - Add/remove programs

Edit#: Just press d + ENTER to display remaining lines in debug<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Kaleun1961
11-30-2006, 02:32 PM
I do. The latest computer for my family room is using an onboard adapter. When I get a fancier card for my Athlon, then I will take the existing card from my Athlon and put it into that system, at which point I will connect my monitor to the card's input instead of the board's input.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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bunkerratt
12-02-2006, 02:27 PM
yeah that would do it !!!!!... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gifesd =electro-static discharge=zap..at any rate your back up and running thats the main thing man..could of been worse .... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Realjambo
12-02-2006, 02:54 PM
True! I don't know what hurts more, my pride or my bank balance!

Reckon I'll wear this anti static wrist strap ALL week to punish myself http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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OzzyBob
12-02-2006, 03:15 PM
Guess you were extremly unlucky or got "fried" RAMĀ“s from the store in the beginning.
Worked as comp. technician for 3 years and never had the damned braclet. Only one fried RAM ever becouse of static...
Anyways nice to hear its working again. Next time its strongly recommended to reinstall windows with MoBo change as this may lead to other weird probs later on.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Realjambo
12-02-2006, 04:01 PM
Thanks Ozzy. I was lucky, I could have blown the mobo or the new GFX card (my pride and joy now a 7900GT http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif - that'd been much worse, as at least RAM you can go and buy in the High Street, albeit at a premium, which is what I had to do today. I ain't paying High Street prices for GFX cards and mobo's - no way!

Next time I will reinstall XP, but for touxh wood, for now the pc has been on for 7 hours and been stable with no probs. Fingers crossed!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Realjambo
12-02-2006, 04:38 PM
I took some pictures whilst I did the build. Some are shockingly embarrassing - I'd never get a job as a PC builder! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

The new kit has arrived!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/Newkit1.jpg

'Happy Christmas' from my wife. Oh how I love her.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/7900GTBOX.jpg

My old rig - what a mess! (AMD 64 3000, 6600GT silent pipe, Audigy 2 ZS)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/Oldrig-whatamess-1.jpg

New AMD 64 4000 939skt (yes, not a AM2 or dual core I know, but hey)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/CPUonPaste.jpg

Crunch! 1st problem, didn't checl the Arctic Cooling heatsink and fan dimensions - the plastic locking arm hits the Northbridge passive heatsink doh!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/crunch4.jpg

Hello my lovely...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/Hellomylovely1.jpg

No Southbridge passive heatsink for me! it actually touches the 7900GT! (anyone wanna buy a Zalman heat sink?)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/NOSouthbridgeheatsinkforme.jpg

Changing the fans too - look at that! Oh the shame!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/Ohtheshame.jpg

New Sharkoon fans - uber silent and with rubber 'screws' - not seen these before but they come highly recommended:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/Rubberscrewsforsharkkonfan-1.jpg

MMM. Less said about these the better I think!
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Front fan. Dear God. there is an old Antec fan im all that **** somewhere.
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Trusty Audigy 2 Zs form my old rig, until I get my X-Fi - just thought it looked jazzy with the sunlight on it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/MyAUdigy2ZS.jpg

Really trying to improve air flow with better cable management this time round..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/Seemuchneater-betterairflow.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/DSCF0620.jpg

OK, Just the 7900GT to put in again and theose power/reset button wires to connect and let's power up! *holds breath and bites finger nails*
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She breathes! She Boots!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/BreatheBreathe.jpg

And the rest is history. Shame I didn't photo the anti static strap that I neglected to buy before opening up the PC case. Oh well. 2 gb ram fried. Lesson learnt.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Kaleun1961
12-02-2006, 05:22 PM
I've seen more than a few PC techs handling components without an anti-static strap. I've been guilty of it myself, but that is in the past. Grounding yourself by touching the chassis is the usual procedure when without a strap. But ESD is such a nasty little thing; I think it causes more PC problems than people care to admit, but not in ways that are obvious at first. It's a free world, do as you please, but if I saw some tech touching the insides of my case without at least a strap, then he wouldn't get my business. To me it is on the level of a doctor who goes from patient to patient without washing his hands. Yuck! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

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TheRealPotoroo
12-03-2006, 09:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
I've seen more than a few PC techs handling components without an anti-static strap. I've been guilty of it myself, but that is in the past. Grounding yourself by touching the chassis is the usual procedure when without a strap. But ESD is such a nasty little thing; I think it causes more PC problems than people care to admit, but not in ways that are obvious at first. It's a free world, do as you please, but if I saw some tech touching the insides of my case without at least a strap, then he wouldn't get my business. To me it is on the level of a doctor who goes from patient to patient without washing his hands. Yuck! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: when I worked at DEC it was a sackable offence for any field technician to not use appropriate anti-static measures (the wrist-strap is not the only such measure but it's the best option for most home users). Then again, we were a real hardware engineering company with the equipment to be able to detect the damage static can cause. Static at levels a human cannot feel can cause damage undetectable to the naked eye and it's cumulative. I don't want to keep harping on about this but it horrifies me some people still pretend you can safely handle electronic components without anti-static precautions.

@RJ: Nice pics. I'm always interested in seeing how people build their rigs. I'm glad you got the Arctic Cooler Freezer 64 Pro to mount as it's an excellent cooler (I have one on my X2 4200). Just be very careful when you move your box around as its weight (530g) exceeds the socket 939 mounting spec (450g).

I wouldn't be unduly worried about not being able to fit the Zalman cooler on the 7900GT. My XFX 7800GT is not particularly noisy. I'm glad to see XFX have changed to a conventional box though. They used to ship their cards in X-shaped boxes that were a bit of a pain.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Realjambo
12-04-2006, 04:28 AM
Thanks for your comments Potoroo. I was expecting an huge 'X' shaped box with GFX card in it too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Thanks for your advice regarding the weight of the Arctic Cooler too.

HEY! good news http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif Ebuyer have accepted my returns requets for the two fried 1gb sticks!!! (I've heard it's notoriously hard to get an RMA number from Ebuyer - I'm posting them back today. Does this mean, by authorising the return they will send me two new sticks? or does it mean they will just test them and say 'Sorry, you've clearly fried them, it's your own fault!' - anyone been through this situation before? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Minoos
12-04-2006, 04:40 AM
I did enyoy death of a ram stick last month... The Crucial Ballistix tracer kit died after 6 months of operation. Very odd system freeze and I was unable to boot the PC. I received a newer version of the ram kit since... Just hope it holds more than a year!

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Goose_Green
12-04-2006, 04:46 AM
Excellent work RJ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

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Realjambo
12-04-2006, 05:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And great pictures too, could you post your full spec? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Cheers Goose. My spec:

Asus A8V - XE SKT 939 Mobo
AMD 64 4000 1MB Cache CPU
XFX Nvidia 7900GT 256mb 470mhz graphics card
Audigy 2 ZS soundcard (Will be upgrading to an X-FI soon)
2gb (1gb x 2 sticks) PC 3200 ram (will be when Ebuyer replace the sticks I've just returned. Currently 'getting by' on 2x 512mb PC World Emergency sticks)
Creative SBS 580 5.1 Speakers
1 x 250gb Western Digital Hdd
1 x 80gb Maxtor Hdd
XP Home SP2

I'd recommend the Sharkoon fans, rubber grommets attatch the fan to the case, none of those nasty metal screws, quite innovative and very very quiet too.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Goose_Green
12-04-2006, 05:58 AM
Thanks RJ

Is that a single core or twin core you are running?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TheRealPotoroo
12-04-2006, 06:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Realjambo:
I'd recommend the Sharkoon fans, rubber grommets attatch the fan to the case, none of those nasty metal screws, quite innovative and very very quiet too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Antec use them too. I hate them. I always manage to shred them and end up using the metal screws instead.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goose_Green:
Is that a single core or twin core you are running? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The 939 4000+ is a single core but it'll run SH3 without raising a sweat.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Kaleun1961
12-04-2006, 10:56 AM
Speaking of golf balls and those cooling fans: I'm not a golfer, but I have heard that the dimples on golf balls serve an aerodynamic function. I'm curious to know if the dimpling on the fan blades are cosmetic only, or are they functional?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Realjambo
12-04-2006, 11:06 AM
The reviews of the fans I read said the dimples on the blades are supposed to replicate that same aerodynamicity yes. ~(is aerodynamicity a word? is now?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Kaleun1961
12-04-2006, 12:31 PM
Aerodynamicity? Might be. You know, Jambo, you could be onto a new thing, as a person who coins his own words. There is a phenomenon in the English language, known as a Spoonerism [A Spoonerism is a play on words in which corresponding consonants or vowels are switched (see metathesis), named after the Reverend William Archibald Spooner (1844?1930), Warden of New College, Oxford, who was notoriously prone to this tendency. Some of his famous (and possibly apocryphal) quotes from the chapel include "The Lord is a shoving leopard," "It is kisstomary to cuss the bride," and "Mardon me padam, this pie is occupewed. Can I sew you to another sheet?.]

Maybe we can refer to such a made-up word as a "Jamboism." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Back on topic, again: I wonder how the dimples would affect the airflow of a fan. A fan generates a swirl of air in a linear path. I'm curious as to how dimpling a fan's blade improves the properties of such an air flow. I'd guess that it somehow allows the fan blade to slice more cleanly through the air, such that it is more efficient due to the reduced drag, and consequently may be quieter or move more air per cycle? I'll keep my eyes open for this new design.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TheRealPotoroo
12-04-2006, 12:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Realjambo:
The reviews of the fans I read said the dimples on the blades are supposed to replicate that same aerodynamicity yes. ~(is aerodynamicity a word? is now? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'd be curious to know how effective they are. Are they 80mm or 120mm? When I got my new case I made a point of getting one that took 120mm fans as they run slower and therefore more quietly to move the same amount of air. My favorite exhaust fan is the Arctic 12 (http://www.arctic-cooling.com/fans2.php?idx=84). Unfortunately, its design means it can't be used as an intake fan.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Realjambo
12-04-2006, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Maybe we can refer to such a made-up word as a "Jamboism." Veryhappy </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're on. Another I can lay claim to that I have used many times on this forum is 'Jamboproof' - meaning even I can install certain mods for SH3 and get it right. Example:

"The long awaited GWX will be available as a self installing .exe" - in other words - Jamboproof http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Back to topic. Custom PC magazine in the UK, issue 36, September 2006 reviewed the Sharkoon range as part of a massive fan review and awarded the 120mm Silent Eagle (£9.11 inc vat) their coveted 'Premium Grade Approved' award. The ones I used, the smaller 80mm fan(£5.41 inc vat) also won the same award. Here is some of the blurb:

"The Silent Eagle 1000 is Sharkoon's only 120mm fan and spins at 1000 rpm. Sharkoon claims that is produces 36.8cfm at 19dBA. We measured it as moving 38cfm at a noise level lower than of the room, (20.1dBA) making Sharkoon one fo the more honest manufacturers when it comes to claiming what products can do"

"The Silent Eagle 2000 is a more powerful 80mm fan that spins at 2,000 rpm and Sharkoon claims that it can move 22.7cfm at 17dBA. We measured the airflow closer to to 26cfm and it's noise at 21.5dBA. Clearly this makes the Silent Eagle 2000 the ultimate 80mm fan,, as it provides more airflow than any other 80mm fan"

Stranegly, they made no mention of the rubber 'screws' in their article.

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Messervy
12-04-2006, 02:21 PM
Appologies to all who allready know this.

I`ve been checking for novelties around the web and found this ship made by Jonatan Gr??noset.

In my opinion, judged by hundreds of pictures in U-boot.net, this shape captures the era allmost to perfection.
There were lots of old thubs floating around and I lacked this particular type of ship very much.

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Messervy
12-04-2006, 02:21 PM
Appologies to all who allready know this.

I`ve been checking for novelties around the web and found this ship made by Jonatan Gr??noset.

In my opinion, judged by hundreds of pictures in U-boot.net, this shape captures the era allmost to perfection.
There were lots of old thubs floating around and I lacked this particular type of ship very much.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/Messervy/OldThub.jpg <div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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comanderFritz
12-04-2006, 02:30 PM
i just got that one need to try it out yet<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mastergas
12-04-2006, 03:57 PM
can you post a link for that one i like it

GoldenEagle8
12-04-2006, 07:30 PM
are there more where that came from? It's cool!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

-Torpedo Impact-Stop
-Enemy Unit Destroyed-Stop
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Spinach Fer Britain (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2263301282676551422&q=Banned+cartoons&hl=en)
Der Fuehrer's Face (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDWF8hznHZs)
Commando Duck (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OFUQ7AgvgJU&mode=user&search=)
Blitz Wolf (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5611353179314742028&q=WWII+cartoon&hl=en)
Russian Rhapsody (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3169202416829336789&q=WWII+cartoon&hl=en)
The Ducktators (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1633673673225697900&q=WWII+cartoon&hl=en)
The Spirit of '43 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2857278388843745235&q=WWII+cartoon&hl=en)
Tokio Jokio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvA1zphaeTQ)

TheRealPotoroo
12-04-2006, 08:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Realjambo:
Back to topic. Custom PC magazine in the UK, issue 36, September 2006 reviewed the Sharkoon range as part of a massive fan review and awarded the 120mm Silent Eagle (£9.11 inc vat) their coveted 'Premium Grade Approved' award. The ones I used, the smaller 80mm fan(£5.41 inc vat) also won the same award. Here is some of the blurb: </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The silly buggers haven't put that review on their web site.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"The Silent Eagle 1000 is Sharkoon's only 120mm fan and spins at 1000 rpm. Sharkoon claims that is produces 36.8cfm at 19dBA. We measured it as moving 38cfm at a noise level lower than of the room, (20.1dBA) making Sharkoon one fo the more honest manufacturers when it comes to claiming what products can do" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's not a lot of air for a 120mm. The Arctic 12 is rated at 56.3CFM at 23.5dBA at 1500rpm.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"The Silent Eagle 2000 is a more powerful 80mm fan that spins at 2,000 rpm and Sharkoon claims that it can move 22.7cfm at 17dBA. We measured the airflow closer to to 26cfm and it's noise at 21.5dBA. Clearly this makes the Silent Eagle 2000 the ultimate 80mm fan,, as it provides more airflow than any other 80mm fan" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
OTOH, that's impressive for an 80mm. For example, the Arctic 8 moves 28CFM at 20dBA.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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