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Daiichidoku
08-21-2006, 01:32 PM
I know there is a lot of talk both ways about the upcoming 46 pack..with it, some talk of the larger issue of the whole game and what has been going on since O.M. went to SoW

Id like to see a clear-cut number on this, instead of just reading post by b1tchers and anti-b1tchers

so....

JG53Frankyboy
08-21-2006, 01:34 PM
you volunteer for the job ?

its realy time for 4.06 release , the Forums become uglier every day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

triad773
08-21-2006, 01:45 PM
(2)
Yes there has been some unhappiness, frustration, but being familiar with development cycles and software testing... there is another side to this story as many no doubt know. Despite all the delays I am reasonably happy with IL-2. It will most likely be on my machine for some years to come.

If it's like the development environments I had been around, there are unforeseen shortcomings in design scope, people quite, are fired, or transition to other projects, hardware changes in the industry-- so having to re-write code for material already covered, security concerns may arise, competitive products may necessitate changes in game, running into intellectual property issues, distribution issues, marketing targets that may or may not match and need to be adjusted.

Ultimately, Oleg is the holder of the roadmap. I don't think they are keeping us in the dark on purpose, but I do think that they will tell us things as they become certianty; or at least as well as can be ascertained (to be certain). Case in point-- Manchuria was to be released, then videos came out where the game had been hacked... perhaps enough to make the staff nervous about letting that one out of the gate before they could implement a fix of some sort.

I am not intentionally being an apollogist for 1C or anyone, but anyone else who has been involved in a competitive market developing something that needs to meet customer expectations can be a day-to-day challenge.

That's only my opinion. Interested to see what others are thinking.

F6_Ace
08-21-2006, 01:51 PM
Seems like a reasonable poll to me. After all, UBI have a poll on the 'front page' so why should this be frowned upon?

MEGILE
08-21-2006, 01:54 PM
It's a pretty good piece of software... dunno why all the hatin'

FritzGryphon
08-21-2006, 02:15 PM
I think the PF addon/standalone thing was a bad idea. Either make it an addon or make it a standalone. Or better yet, bundle it with the previous games.

Too many bought PF, and found out they couldn't play online, or get any cool planes in the patch. A definite turn-off for new users.

I hope in the future they make it simpler, so you don't have to get a confusing array of products and install them in a specific order for the game to work.

For example, make -every- release a DVD bundle, with all the previous products and patches in it. Even the fans who already have the previous products will appreciate the ease of a 1 DVD installation.

slipBall
08-21-2006, 02:27 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif I'm with the two above http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

DuxCorvan
08-21-2006, 02:34 PM
And please, oh, please, remember than a game with -also- offline users, needs a coherent line and a well-studied, immersive campaign system, or at least some argument line, in order to work. PF was more like a construction kit full of spread not-connected things around the PTO topic and a lot of missing pieces.

StG2_Schlachter
08-21-2006, 02:51 PM
It's a nice game. Not real in all aspects, but it is fun to fly.

I understand the community has to play a vital role in the development of a game, especially online. But this is really too much.

Be glad for what we have. Are the whiners never satisfied? The support of the series is/was exceptional. I never got so much free content for any other game/sim from the developers.

I am really enjoying FAPPe2 and therefore voted 3. This board seems to be full of spoiled pilots.

VW-IceFire
08-21-2006, 03:38 PM
I vote 2. Some stupid movies, some mysteries, some downright ballsy things, and some good stuff. Sometimes doing the risky thing and showing some balls is better than being conservative.

Bearcat99
08-21-2006, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
I think the PF addon/standalone thing was a bad idea. Either make it an addon or make it a standalone. Or better yet, bundle it with the previous games.
Too many bought PF, and found out they couldn't play online, or get any cool planes in the patch. A definite turn-off for new users.

You can play standalone PF online... it isnt Oleg's fault that everyone prefers to go merged.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I think a lot of people who are now flying 4.04/4.05 wouldnt even be here if they hadnt broken down and picked up PF and went... "OooOOoOOoOooo give me more of that...."


I hope in the future they make it simpler, so you don't have to get a confusing array of products and install them in a specific order for the game to work.
For example, make -every- release a DVD bundle, with all the previous products and patches in it. Even the fans who already have the previous products will appreciate the ease of a 1 DVD installation.

Hmmm lets see now.... we had FB... then The AEP..... then FB GOLD and PF.. then the Ultimate DVD with all 3.. then the ultimate DL with all three plus Pe-2.

There is always room for improvement.. but when I look at the big picture..... meaning my simming world in the fall of 2001... and my simming worls in the fall of 2002 and on... well lets just say... had I stayed where I was I not only might NOT be simming still but I wouldnt know Photoshop, I wouldnt know how to put together a website, I wouldnt know as much about building PCs, I wouldnt have the whole slew of great aquantances from all around the world that I do today.... and I wouldnt be able to live out my childhood fantasy of being a WWI fighter pilot from the warmth and safety of my basement.... All in all Id say the frustration factor is waaaay offset byt the "I'm still havin a ball with this sim!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif!" factor... but hey.. thats me... maybe I'm just like Sunday mornin.

Deadmeat313
08-21-2006, 04:28 PM
I voted 3.

When I was a wee laddie I used to make model aircraft and run around brandishing them and yelling "eeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaooowwwww!". Now I just load up FB and jump into my favourite kite (generally a Tempest V), and zoom around the skies shouting "WTF! Noob! Hax!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

T.

Divine-Wind
08-21-2006, 04:39 PM
I agree, Bearcat. This is a excellent (what an understatement http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif) sim, and, despite it's flaws (the most glaring of which is the AI, IMO), I love it. Since getting IL-2, the series has kept me hooked, which for me is saying something.

ElAurens
08-21-2006, 05:01 PM
Take the middle path young padawan.

Be sure.

Rjel
08-21-2006, 05:50 PM
Having just built a new machine, I'm having a ball seeing what most of you have been talking about for the last year. Too, I've been able to fly online on some servers that previously would choke my old system. I can now see some real improvements that I couldn't always see before.

If I could make a single suggestion to Oleg and company it would be to push the envelope while developing his BoB sim, but please don't stretch it all out of proportion. The flight sim community is small enough without leaving too many behind because of system requirements. I know IL2 has always been scaleable, but the last couple of patches made this sim almost unplayable for some of us.

Brain32
08-21-2006, 06:09 PM
Voted 3
Reasons:
1. One VTOL thingy really doesen't bother me, actually I can't wait to see it in IL2 engine.
2. I stopped playing offline campaigns years ago so if some cr@p plane from 1939 is missing for a complete scenario, I don't give a feck...
3. Not only we don't know what exactly will v407 bring us, but il2 will not end with it, there will be one free patch after that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif We don't even know what will v406 be like http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
4. NO game I ever heard of did have/still has that kind of support from developer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
5. All theese add-ons v405-v406-v407 weren't even planned for western market but we whined them in, soooooooo this discussions tend to look a bit funny for everybody that posesses long term memory http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Divine-Wind
08-21-2006, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Brain32:
Voted 3
Reasons:
1. One VTOL thingy really doesen't bother me, actually I can't wait to see it in IL2 engine.
2. I stopped playing offline campaigns years ago so if some cr@p plane from 1939 is missing for a complete scenario, I don't give a feck...
3. Not only we don't know what exactly will v407 bring us, but il2 will not end with it, there will be one free patch after that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif We don't even know what will v406 be like http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
4. NO game I ever heard of did have/still has that kind of support from developer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
5. All theese add-ons v405-v406-v407 weren't even planned for western market but we whined them in, soooooooo this discussions tend to look a bit funny for everybody that posesses long term memory http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Mr. TK (developer of the SFP1 series) will most of the time help you with little problems personally. How's that for support? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Brain32
08-21-2006, 06:43 PM
Mr. TK (developer of the SFP1 series) will most of the time help you with little problems personally. How's that for support?
Sry m8, I see you joined the forums this year, but O.M. was MUCH MORE active on this forums than he is now and he was even more active in the old days 2 years before I even started lurking here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

JV44Rall
08-21-2006, 08:33 PM
I was a solid (2) until 4.05.

Because of Boonty Box, the franchise deserves an overall (1). That was amateur hour stuff. Had there been an equally asinine rollout of the first IL2 patch back in 2002, we would not be here today.

PF_Coastie
08-21-2006, 08:54 PM
No3 for 1C and Maddox Games. They have done an outstanding job for the most part.

My beef is with Ubisoft. They have Buggered up everything they have touched with this series.

Mixed up patches
Using the Grunman name on the freakin PF Box!
Delaying Add-ons and patches with no word whatsoever to the fans.
Messing with the .exe files when implementing BoontyBox so they didnt even run the game correctly.

These are just to name a few fabulous Ubisoft Debacles. They are completely incompetent IMHO and they need a lot of training in customer support.

I mean, How hard is it to have just one person put some news on the website or here in the forum every once in a while.

Quite a farce.....Really!

BiscuitKnight
08-21-2006, 10:20 PM
I voted 2. 1C (That's the studio, right?) has made a great simulator, I believe (look as far as CFS3 one way, F4:AF the other), and they've included a hell of a lot of support: so many planes have been added since even PF was released, compare that to EA/DICE BF42 came with either US or German weapons originally, and ended with a shocking mixture of Russian, Japanese, US, German and British weapons by the end, without including stapels like the PPSh or Arisaka.

The studio's dedication in coming back to fix things and make new content is a model for other simulators to follow.

Someone said it was Ubi driving the use of Boonty Bandit. Either way, it's a bad move.

I understand why PF was released the way it was: people who already owned Il-2, Il-2FB and AEP would feel ripped off buying the same game engine again, just with new content. On the other side, some people would be reluctant to buy a three year old game just to play an expansion. Sort of a strange situation created by having an older (but still excellent) engine and still releasing content.

I also understand what's driving the Pe-2, Sturmoviks over Manchuria and 1946 releases, because nobody couldn't reasonably expect years of unpaid development on a game long after release. But they're essentially $14AU patches. Blagh if I'd pay that, even without the Boonty.

Xiolablu3
08-21-2006, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by Brain32:
Voted 3
Reasons:
1. One VTOL thingy really doesen't bother me, actually I can't wait to see it in IL2 engine.
2. I stopped playing offline campaigns years ago so if some cr@p plane from 1939 is missing for a complete scenario, I don't give a feck...
3. Not only we don't know what exactly will v407 bring us, but il2 will not end with it, there will be one free patch after that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif We don't even know what will v406 be like http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
4. NO game I ever heard of did have/still has that kind of support from developer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
5. All theese add-ons v405-v406-v407 weren't even planned for western market but we whined them in, soooooooo this discussions tend to look a bit funny for everybody that posesses long term memory http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

LEBillfish
08-21-2006, 10:38 PM
Look at the votes, what a bunch of ungrateful children.......EVERYTHING past 3.0 once we got the Betty is gravey and a whole heck of a lot of it...plus kept the sim going instead of killing it for BoB.

You cannot imagine how boorish some of you have become......

joeap
08-22-2006, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Look at the votes, what a bunch of ungrateful children.......EVERYTHING past 3.0 once we got the Betty is gravey and a whole heck of a lot of it...plus kept the sim going instead of killing it for BoB.

You cannot imagine how boorish some of you have become......
+1 didn't answer the poll because it doesn't make sense, at least some of the decisions were questionable, boonty in first place (though it wasn't bad as all that) and some of the time spent in fantasy planes including 4.07

The support used to be fantastic, sadly the haters drove OM away.

Fox_3
08-22-2006, 04:36 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
Voted 3
Reasons:
1. One VTOL thingy really doesen't bother me, actually I can't wait to see it in IL2 engine.
2. I stopped playing offline campaigns years ago so if some cr@p plane from 1939 is missing for a complete scenario, I don't give a feck...
3. Not only we don't know what exactly will v407 bring us, but il2 will not end with it, there will be one free patch after that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif We don't even know what will v406 be like http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
4. NO game I ever heard of did have/still has that kind of support from developer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
5. All theese add-ons v405-v406-v407 weren't even planned for western market but we whined them in, soooooooo this discussions tend to look a bit funny for everybody that posesses long term memory http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm with these two. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

ElAurens
08-22-2006, 05:25 AM
Originally posted by Brain32:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Mr. TK (developer of the SFP1 series) will most of the time help you with little problems personally. How's that for support?
Sry m8, I see you joined the forums this year, but O.M. was MUCH MORE active on this forums than he is now and he was even more active in the old days 2 years before I even started lurking here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I remember the early days of SFP1 where anyone who had issues with the product got promptly banned from the fanboi driven SFP1 forums.

Daiichidoku
08-22-2006, 05:29 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
I remember the early days of SFP1 where anyone who had issues with the product got promptly banned from the fanboi driven SFP1 forums.

try posting at UBI with an issue with the product...say, copy protection...see how long it lasts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ElAurens
08-22-2006, 05:38 AM
There have been plenty of posts about boonty/starforce/etc on this forum, without bans being issued. In the old days at SFP1 if you questioned TK on just about anything you got banned. Oh well, SFP1 was junk anyway.

jasonbirder
08-22-2006, 05:47 AM
At the end of the day I think...with a certain amount of justification that as i'm definately buying the next two add ons (and anything else that comes along) I'm pretty much free to say what I like good and bad about the product/development etc...
I am pleased that support and development for the series has continued...both for free and paid and some of the stuff we look to be getting is fantastic Burma, the Pe2/Pe3 etc etc...
However...if you were to look at it logically there would be alot more sense in planes like the Do17/215/217, Hs123, Hs129 to name but a few being added to the game before the likes of this vertical take off wonder coming along...
I've got nothing against the Luft46 add on and it really does add a whole new meaning to Forgotten battles...i knew little or nothing about those early russian jets/rockets/hybrids...but after a few try outs i'm sure i'll be back to more "historic" fare...
But hey! Bring on some early war IJA stuff...I can't wait for one of the good Static Campaign buliders to creat a Ki43II campaign for me to play with!

F6_Ace
08-22-2006, 10:30 AM
Perhaps there are no bans but most threads about Boonty have been locked of late, especially if someone expressed a tiny dissatisfaction with it.

The Boonty "pigs" are about, never mind the spelling police.

Jaws2002
08-22-2006, 11:09 AM
It still amazes me how people that got the 4.05 quite some time after the release are crying about boontybox.
I mean in hours after the release there was a stiky on the forum showing every computer noob and his brother, how to easily get reed of boonty box and have a clean instal from the get go.

isooAntti
08-22-2006, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
It's a pretty good piece of software... dunno why all the hatin'


Let's not mix up discussion with hate..eh?