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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 07:16 AM
http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/Monino/mon94js_pe2.jpg


http://oldwolf.myrice.com/ussraircraft/images/Pe2-05.jpg


But that can't possibly be a Pe-2/3 because this forum keeps telling me that none remain in existance. Get your stories straight, the Pe-8 is the one that no cockpit data is availible for.

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At the start of WW2 the German army lacked experienced anti-aircraft gunners. The average gunner was so bad that the USSR decided to help them out. They did it by forcing some of their pilots to fly I-153 flak magnets. These planes were slow but very sturdy. This allowed German anti-aircraft gunners to get a large amount of target practice on a relatively small number of planes. Thanks to the Soviets help, by the end of the war the German anti-aircraft gunners were amoung the best in the world.</center>

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 07:16 AM
http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/Monino/mon94js_pe2.jpg


http://oldwolf.myrice.com/ussraircraft/images/Pe2-05.jpg


But that can't possibly be a Pe-2/3 because this forum keeps telling me that none remain in existance. Get your stories straight, the Pe-8 is the one that no cockpit data is availible for.

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 07:45 AM
Also, Signal has a Pe-2/3 Walk Around book.

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 07:56 AM
yea maybe oleg and his team are just getting tired and cant be bothered doing another cockpit



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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 08:13 AM
I thought Oleg stated repeatedly that he had loads of cockpit data for the Pe2/3 series. A year ago or so some russian dude was making it and some time later the Pe2/3 was reserved by Oleg and team, at least according to the late Il2Center.

The Pe8 on the other hand seems to be a white spot on the map cockpit-wise. Always has always will.


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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 08:48 AM
Mabey if we are lucky, we will get this plane in the free addon, it will be a surprise gift of Oleg's, you never know.

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 09:22 AM
Also, if I may add. Most, if not all of the aircraft on display in Russia has had the interior stripped and picked clean. Oleg told me he has access to a good P-63, but only thing left INSIDE was the seat and even that was in bad shape http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Who knows what the aircraft you posted look inside, and how would we get in them? Yes they exist, but data on them is more rare then the aircraft.

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 10:37 AM
thats Eric Hartmanns personal F86 Saber he flew when he was back with the German Airforce after his incarceration

& damm it looks cool

XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 11:32 AM
Maj_Death wrote:
- But that can't possibly be a Pe-2/3 because this
- forum keeps telling me that none remain in
- existance. Get your stories straight, the Pe-8 is
- the one that no cockpit data is availible for.

Sure looks like it to me & there is one (at least) in a museum somewhere in Poland too - saw it in a book at the local library & I posted it here but nobody seemed to care.
I can go check it out if anyone want´s to know where it is.

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 02:57 PM
Bring your camera MONS !

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 04:42 PM
Yes please MONS=

I remember someone posting a picture of it (the Polish one) parked outside- maybe that was you?

cheers,

XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 07:02 PM
Cool pic of the F-86.

My father was serving in North Carolina where Chennault's (spelling?) son was also serving and his F-105 Thunderchief was painted like his father's Flying Tigers P-40. He regrets not having a picture of it.

Another place he was stationed he was tackled and frisked just for walking by the hangers that were holding U-2 spy-planes. At the time they were so secretive that they were kept in supposedly abandoned hangers with all markings removed. They were never seen during the day and were only taken out at night. Walking anywhere near the hangers was strictly forbidden.

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 09:36 PM
Uhmmm, you do know Monimo is loaded with fiberglass replicas.

XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 09:58 PM
That Pe-2 looks like it's cockpit should still be in good condition... If you look closely, you can see a gunsight to the front of the canopy. But theres some sort of strange look on that Pe-2; can't describe it, but it looks like its either very old and weathered or is a fake.

XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 10:32 PM
Looks like a BondoT job. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 11:18 PM
The paint definatly isn't origanal. To be honest it looks like someone painted with an epoxy paint of some sort. But that doesn't mean its fake. Anyways, that is just one that I found, there are other ones scattered about.

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 11:22 PM
http://www.jg54greenhearts.com/Pe2.JPG


This one at air-museum in Monino, near Mocsow.

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 11:57 PM
That's a Tu-2, I know some Monino websites where it is mislabeled as a Pe-2.

A superior aircraft to the Pe2 as well.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 12:21 AM
Bullcrap! the planes there are real.


BfHeFwMe wrote:
- Uhmmm, you do know Monimo is loaded with fiberglass
- replicas.
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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 12:46 AM
well i have acces to this:
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And would be a reat pleasure to go and make some pics with the interiour(wich fortunately is still partly intact-some gauges aren't originals), but seem that is too late.....
BTW would you ppl not that the rear fusselage was thigher in the upper part like on the PZL 24.... and is more visible here....http://www.f4aviation.co.uk/airshow01/constanta/iar80.jpg
I already reported this, but it is like that since Il2, howcome nobody noticed???

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 03:48 AM
http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/Monino/mon94js_i16.jpg


Fiberglass replica, hey look mom, no hinge cut on the rudder.

http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/Monino/mon94js_mig3.jpg


Most definitly fiberglass, no prop spinner cut line, they just painted it, nice dimples on those vents, too bad there's no holes cut in em, and they sure got tight tolerance on those blade to spinner fitting, wonder how they ever installed it. LoL


Now who's full of it.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 04:55 AM
The real point of this is,

are they going to let a total unavailabilty of samples of a plane that's representative stop it from being flyable??

What if there hadn't been a surviving Yak 9 or subvariant of the 109??? Would they have left it out of the sim?

I mean, yes, strive for "to the rivet" accuracy, but if you can't get a pristine example, we'll settle for "close". Because even with all the flight and modeling data in the world, "close" is all we'll ever get anyway.

We can't always even agree on the "results" for planes that were created from real sources (read; the FW189 cockpit).

Use the sources available and model the damned Pe-2. Even if it has a little "fudge" in the cockpit, it'll *still* have more utility than some half-arsed rocket plane.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:04 AM
Oleg has stated in the past two things are problems with making flyable planes:

-- lack of cockpit details
-- lack of authentic manufacturers or military FM data


the second detail is the one that matters most I suspect


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fluke39
09-04-2003, 11:22 AM
wow nice photos von zero..

and everyone else for that matter

is that a replica of a mig3 bfhefwme?
if it is i wonder how they ever saw anything out of that cockpit (in the real ones) - looks like you'd have almost zero forward vision !!

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 01:49 PM
mllaneza wrote:
- Bring your camera MONS !

Sorry but I haven´t got a digital & I´d get busted anyway taking shots from or scanning a book down there - but I can check out what book it was & post it here ASAP. Anyways it was a Polish air museum so maybe they´ve got some photos on the net - gonna find out...

Cheers!

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 02:45 PM
"That's a Tu-2, I know some Monino websites where it is mislabeled as a Pe-2."


Then make a flyable Tu-2 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Just give the VVS a flyable medium bomber besides the tb3 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 03:26 PM
nice pics guys.....keep em coming!!!!!!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 03:46 PM
A quick search yielded this:

Source: http://homefree.sensewave.com/~s191871/petlyprosjekt.htm

http://homefree.sensewave.com/~s191871/petlyprosjekt-filer/Image33.jpg


http://homefree.sensewave.com/~s191871/petlyprosjekt-filer/Image34.jpg


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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 05:11 PM
Good job, Fritz!

Cool pics - I´m out of buisness...

S!

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 02:03 PM
BUMP

I bet there is more than enough info on the Pe-2 to be found in that Finnish hangar.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 02:11 PM
StG77_Fritz_X wrote:
- BUMP
-
- I bet there is more than enough info on the Pe-2 to
- be found in that Finnish hangar.



Umm, I think it sis a Norwegian hangar. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 02:24 PM
Anyways: It would be kinda nice having a red medium bomber to fool around with on HL - maybe we should do some lobby work & put a little pressure on Oleg&Co?

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 02:27 PM
M0NS wrote:
- Anyways: It would be kinda nice having a red medium
- bomber to fool around with on HL - maybe we should
- do some lobby work & put a little pressure on
- Oleg&Co?

Maybe modelling it would be a better idea?


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 02:32 PM
Jippo01 wrote:
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- Umm, I think it sis a Norwegian hangar.
--jippo
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Ok; Let me try again. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I bet there is more than enough info on the Pe-2 to be found in that Norwegian hangar. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 04:42 PM
Jippo01 wrote:
-
- M0NS wrote:
-- Anyways: It would be kinda nice having a red medium
-- bomber to fool around with on HL - maybe we should
-- do some lobby work & put a little pressure on
-- Oleg&Co?
-
- Maybe modelling it would be a better idea?
-
-
--jippo
-
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Go ahead - I´ll make the coffee then! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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