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I_0wN_You
03-17-2005, 06:14 PM
Im doing a term paper about the P-51D's superiority over the Japanese A6M "Zero". I was wondering if you guys could help me come up with some reasons why the P-51 is a better plane. Also, did the P-51D ever fight the A6M? If it did, was there any particular battle(s)? Thanks guys.

SkyChimp
03-17-2005, 06:30 PM
The P-51 mainly faced the Japanese Army Air Force when it was introduced into the far east. Not until it was used as a B-29 escort did it meet Japanese Navy fighters with any regularity. No telling how many Zeros were encountered by Mustangs. Surely a good number.

The P-51D was superior in most respects. It was faster by a significant margin. Climbed better (a little or a lot depending on conditions). Dove better. Had better high speed manueverability. But it was still no match in slow speed manueverability - nothing the US put into service int he Pacific was except possibly the FM-2 Wildcat.

p1ngu666
03-17-2005, 06:46 PM
thought a kingfisher could turn with a zero?

I_0wN_You
03-17-2005, 06:51 PM
Did the A6M participate in the battle over Iwo Jima?

FI-Aflak
03-17-2005, 06:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by I_0wN_You:
Im doing a term paper about the P-51D's superiority over the Japanese A6M "Zero". I was wondering if you guys could help me come up with some reasons why the P-51 is a better plane. Also, did the P-51D ever fight the A6M? If it did, was there any particular battle(s)? Thanks guys. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

By the time the D was introduced US tactics had evolved so that, when combined with the strengths of the 51D, the P-51 had a huge advantage over a plane like the zero.

The only thing that a zero does better than a 51D is turning, and that only at low speeds.

The Pony is:
faster, very, very much so.
better climb.
much higher service ceiling.
much better high speed maneuverability.
better zoom climb.
more resiliant (though its engine was not very hard to render inoperable).
more firepower(well, maybe a tossup, but I like the 6x.50s)
range.
better pilots. By the time the D was introduced all the experienced japanese pilots were dead.
much higher breakup speed.

By USAF tactics, the characteristics most desired in a plane are speed, accl/climb, high speed maneuverability, high breakup speed, zoom climb.

In all of these characteristics, the P-51 was much, much better than the zero (well, climb might be close at sea level.)

I_0wN_You
03-17-2005, 07:02 PM
Thanks dude, that was helpful. I appreciate you taking time to answer. Kudos to all of you.

FatBoyHK
03-17-2005, 07:37 PM
one suggestion, if you want a more meaningful term paper, find another pair of planes to do the comparison.... indeed, pony and zeke are no match.

btw, what term paper you are doing?? curoius to know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

dugong
03-17-2005, 07:43 PM
I remember about ten years ago I read a book that compared many WWII planes against each other. I do believe it included first hand accounts from pilots who have flown both against one another as well as first hand combat accounts. The book also offered analysis based on performance data.

I can't remember the name of the book, but it was an incredible read. Sorry I could not be of more help. However, if you ask around based on my info you just mind find something. If you do, let me know as I would love to read that book again.

Good luck.

bird_brain
03-17-2005, 07:44 PM
The F4u had a little more interesting history against the IJAAF & IJNAF. It had the same advantages though. The Hellcat might also be used to make the same points.
You guys forgot to mention better pilot armor and self sealing fuel tanks. Those 2 features of all US fighters made a huge difference. They needed & had the extra horsepower to haul the extra weight around as well, whereas the japanese fighters did not.

Jambock__01
03-17-2005, 07:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by I_0wN_You:
Did the A6M participate in the battle over Iwo Jima? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, but not over the landings. Zeros fought for Iwo Jima before the invasion. Saburo Sakai was there.

Bearcat99
03-17-2005, 09:37 PM
Is it me or did you redo the monkey... er uhhhh ape.... uhhh.. chimp.