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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 09:02 PM
With the coming introduction of new planes, I'm curious about the future of vulching.

How do you define the A-20's role, in terms of vulching? What about other 'light bombers'?

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 09:02 PM
With the coming introduction of new planes, I'm curious about the future of vulching.

How do you define the A-20's role, in terms of vulching? What about other 'light bombers'?

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 09:04 PM
Vulching- Shooting a plane while it is landing or taking off, or sitting on the ground.


Yea.

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 09:06 PM
Good point..

Vulchin'll increase.. many won't like it but vulching in bombers will add another level to online play that isn't quite there yet.. Online players really will find themselves in roles like; bomber interceptor etc..

I'm looking forward to dodging the wave of bombers heading in /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 09:11 PM
Vulching- some stupid thing that's without any sense, because it's no differnce if you shoot one the last second he's with gear on ground or the first second he's airborne.
that's also same if someone is bouncing another one, that just took off and starts gaining altitude at 250kph, from 2000m with an airspeed of 500kph.

with bombers vulching is totally ok in my opinion.

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 09:23 PM
DeBaer.534 wrote:
- Vulching- some stupid thing that's without any
- sense, because it's no differnce if you shoot one
- the last second he's with gear on ground or the
- first second he's airborne.
- that's also same if someone is bouncing another one,
- that just took off and starts gaining altitude at
- 250kph, from 2000m with an airspeed of 500kph.
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- with bombers vulching is totally ok in my opinion.
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So, the A-20, which is a light bomber, should be ok for vulching then?



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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 09:30 PM
BaldieJr wrote:
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- So, the A-20, which is a light bomber, should be ok
- for vulching then?

yup,at least you may freely shred me with this gunboat when im throwing my Wuerger around on the runway...

even stuka is ok. as for the il2 (with mgs) i don't know. its even a formidable dogfighter and should spend it's ammo there.

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 09:37 PM
I never vulch in a fighter, but only because I don't want to offend any online players. My personal openion is, if you don't organize with fellow pilots on your side and defend your base, too bad. It is exactly what happens in real warfare when you fail to protect your base. I think the host should put ample AAA and perhaps gunships around each team's base for a little added protection.

The root problem online seems to me to be the fact that pilots have absolutely no regard for there own lives. Shure it's just a game, but I was landing my crippled he-111 back at my home base and the fighter who simply could not shoot me down flew into me just as my wheels touched down. Now I am not upset because I was "Vulched", but that the pilot out of frustration simply flew into me. Would you do that in real life? When I fly fighters online, I get frustrated when that one gets away, perhaps I run out of ammo, or my rudders gone, but I still prefer to limp back to base and live to fight another day. It's just more challenging that way, and when I refuel and repair my plane, then I go back up and take out my frustrations on the enimy, with more fuel, ammo, and a new rudder.

I would like to see an elimination server. For example, each side is "grounded" until they each reach the required number of pilots. The game starts, each team engages the other, and when you are shot down, you can not respawn until one side has eliminated the other.

What does that have to do with the original topic you might ask? I don't know.... I'm getting old I suppose. This is the Ace Combat 4 chat room right?

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 09:51 PM
With Anti-Vulching tactics Vulching is not a problem and it wont be a problem with the addition of any new plane sets.


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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 01:47 PM
BpGemini wrote:
- With Anti-Vulching tactics Vulching is not a problem
- and it wont be a problem with the addition of any
- new plane sets.
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You aren't the least bit worried about the 4 20mm cannons in the nose of the A-20?

I never thought i'd say this about a light bomber: I WANT IT.

My vulchitude is going to get a sweet boost!

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 02:08 PM
I smile and simply ask this...

DID GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, THE USSR, THE USA, OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY INVOLVED WITH WWII HAVE NO VULCHING RULES?

I'm sure they would have liked to, but the simple fact of the matter is they would have been completely ignored by the enemy.

Play this game any way you like but I like the heat of battle personally. This includes having to scramble while my base is under attack.

Since you appear to be in the dark on this I suggest you play on the "greatergreen" scripted server at hyperlobby and experience a virtual war with no rules of engagement, limited icons, forced cockpit and high difficulty.

If I can win the round on greatergreen's server by relentlessly attacking the enemy at their airbase, I will do this.

Zayets
10-22-2003, 02:10 PM
Just can't wait!
I will take my He 111 for a walk , vulching of course , hihihihi , tired to do that in the IL2 , I will have some fun with the gun nacelle. Yes , vulching in a fighter craft is lousy and shows you have no balls.
Vulch in these planes and try to stay alive from the angry crowd:
- IL2 no mater which model
- Ju-87 mo matter which one
- Republic Thunderbolt P-47 D-10
- He 111 no matter what model

Then yes , you're a brave vulcher!

Just can't wait some new vulching machines , just can't wait!

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 02:45 PM
I fly the 262 so I accept vulching as a historically accurate scenerio/situation. As squadmates we try to cover each-other but the Swallow and Sturmvogel make nice big targets. I'm fine with vulching, though I don't do it myself unless flying Stuka, 190F-8, etc. and only if others don't seem to mind. Personally I think vulching, if not abused, adds to the tension and places more importance on team-work (provided there are more than 3 or 4 planes on the server at the time).

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 02:48 PM
I have no problem with vulching or being vulched as long as there 2 or more runways to spawn at. In slammins server it does get annoying 1 plane can completely shut down a runway for a good ammount of time.

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 04:14 PM
BaldieJr wrote:
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- BpGemini wrote:
-- With Anti-Vulching tactics Vulching is not a problem
-- and it wont be a problem with the addition of any
-- new plane sets.
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- You aren't the least bit worried about the 4 20mm
- cannons in the nose of the A-20?
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- I never thought i'd say this about a light bomber: I
- WANT IT.
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- My vulchitude is going to get a sweet boost!



I already allow the Me-262A-1 Schwalbe with it's 4 30mm (MK 108) cannons in my DF server.
The A-20 can't be much better/worse (POV) than the Schwalbe swooping down at 800+ K/mh.

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 08:12 PM
Vulching is just an excuse to whine about getting shot up.

other famous excuses include:

1. Damn stutter!

2. two on one??

3. stupid uber plane!

The vulching whine breaks down because it's core argument is that vulched planes are "helpless". "witless" is more like it. there are many things you can do about vulchers even if you only have one airfield to start from.

For the concept of vulching to change then the ppl who disapprove of it will have to come to terms w/ getting shot up. New AC won't make a difference. I can't think of anything that would...except maybe Prozac.


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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 08:17 PM
I don't mind vulching if the online map is huge such as Virtualpilots 1 the Gulf of Finnland map on HL.

It takes you about 15 minutes to reach the enemy base that you should be able to vulch once you get there. Although I don't really vulch as AA has seems to love shooting me down and that goes for the friendly stuff as well.

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 08:30 PM
I don't mind vulching as long as the person vulching me has bombs or rockets.

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 08:32 PM
A good vulch is a work of art. Anyone who disagrees is a sissy. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 09:08 PM
In answer to your question on it's future definition then we already have them.


Vulching has two meanings! 1 is considered vulching on dogfight servers. It's a gaming word. A way of saying but "thats not fair" use of the word is equivalant to spawning at a disadvantage as in Quake style play.


In coop servers this is meaning never occurs, as you generally have both started the game at the same time at some distance from each other.

Even if the Coop mission is designed as a surprise attack on a airfield thats exactly what it remains a suprise attack.

In either case when the original use of the word vulching is used. It is used with respect because fuel factors, ammo factors, and pilots own life (ie safety) ones planes condition are taken into account,

Either way the vulcher has to get home to receive his medals!

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 09:33 PM
You should always be free to vulch in fighters, your goal is ground targets, and what do you call a parked plane? As for vulching in a fighter, I will only do that if I have been chasing a guy across the map and he lands like a pu$$y.


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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 09:45 PM
Will be kind of interesting to see a B-25 or a A-20 chewing up the runway with multiple .50 caliber machine guns. That might be quite interesting to see! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 09:51 PM
lbhskier37 wrote:

- he lands like a pu$$y.

Interesting figure of speach, I must admit. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


My opinion about vulching no matter what plane: vulching is not.

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