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firespell
10-23-2005, 07:30 AM
Hi all
I have il2:fb + AEP + PF with patch 4.02m and i want to pratice my combat skills but i don't know from where to start...should i start with bombers or fighters? which bomber/fighter is more suitable for beginners?

Chuck_Older
10-23-2005, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by firespell:
Hi all
I have il2:fb + AEP + PF with patch 4.02m and i want to pratice my combat skills but i don't know from where to start...should i start with bombers or fighters? which bomber/fighter is more suitable for beginners?

There's none that are really "hard" versus "easy" unless it's the Me 262 which can be maddening when you set both engines on fire when you want to speed up

Pick one without much going on, is my suggestion. By that I mean- some aircraft have quirks. Like Th F4F and the I-16 for example- they have manual landing gear and pressing the "gear up/gear down" button won't do anything. Pick one that lets you concentrate on flying

Some aircraft also suffer problems when you 'push-over' the nose into a dive- the negative G effects their fuel system, and the engine cuts out. Like the Hurricane and I-16

I suggest the Bf109G-2 personally, but that's just me; I think it flies nicely and is fairly well balanced without major quirks, however it's landing gear are set very close and it's not the easiest plane to land


But all of that is meaningless if you don't like the plane. If all else fails, pick the one you like the looks of the best, and stick with it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

FlatSpinMan
10-23-2005, 07:48 AM
Welcome aboard http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
There'll be heaps of helpful comments coming your way soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.
I think a nice forgiving plane to start with is the Hurricane MkII, especially for take-off and landing. For gunnery, go to the Quick Mission Builder and set yourself up against some bombers or transport planes (Ju-52, C-47).Make them enemy planes but in the armament field select unarmed. That way they will try to evade you but won't be able to shoot you.
Try to have most difficulty settings on and you will learn faster. Personally I use range icons though other will advise you to turn them off. See what is good for you.



The Fw-190 is another great plane for new players to learn in.(whistles innocently.)

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FlatSpinMan
10-23-2005, 07:50 AM
The Hurri II doesn't have the negative G engine stoppage, does it? If so, then my apologies for leading you astray.

You'd better try the 190. The P-39 is also a FUN ride http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif.

firespell
10-23-2005, 07:51 AM
thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
what what about bombers?
i'm talking about those big bombers like HE-111
and should i start with bombers or fighters?

FlatSpinMan
10-23-2005, 07:56 AM
There is something alluring about the He111, isn't there? Do teh same thing to it(ie, disarm it) and you'll get the hang of it. Try not to just follow directly on it's tail though as that will get you killed quickly if it actually is armed.
Fighters are good practice for sure but can be quite frustrating to hit for a start (or even now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif). If you do go for a fighter, avoid anything slow and manouevrable as they will be really hard to get a line on. The P-47 makes a good, straight mving target but it's pretty quick so choose a fast plane for yourself. The Hurri wouldn't cut it in a chase.

Airmail109
10-23-2005, 08:52 AM
ID suggest the D3A for learning...its very docile..remember Ctrl D i think to open the gunsight!

jds1978
10-23-2005, 08:53 AM
howdy, and welcome to the forum!

my 2 cents for the PTO: Spitfire Mk VIII
P40E/M
Ki84
A6M2-21

all of these planes are relatively forgiving

P40 and Ki84 are stable gun platforms

Spits and Zekes turn well

NorrisMcWhirter
10-23-2005, 08:53 AM
I suggest the La series.

It doesn't really matter what you try to shoot down and where..you'll be an ace within minutes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ta,
Norris

firespell
10-23-2005, 09:13 AM
thanks guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
i only have one more question:
if i want to fly a big bomber like the he-111 or b-27 what bomber do you think it's better and easier?

p-11.cAce
10-23-2005, 09:17 AM
I think the most important point is to fly with as much realism as possible from the start - lock yourself into the cockpit (don't use the no cockpit view), enable torque, realistic gunnery, realistic takeoff & landing, etc. When I first started playing with the initial release I was playing with "arcade" settings and had to un-learn all my bad habits!

Taylortony
10-23-2005, 09:24 AM
The B25 handles better and is a tricycle undercarriage so i would say thats better than the HE111 to fly as the 111 tends to wallow a bit, the Beaufighter is also a Good ride, fast, stable and agile, as is the 110 and the A20

WarWolfe_1
10-23-2005, 10:32 AM
P-40 and Hellcat for sure.

JG5_UnKle
10-23-2005, 10:51 AM
GUNNERY

Learn it until you shoot six ways to oblivion and hit things at delection angles.

You cause more damage to targets with high deflection shots vs dead 6 shots - especially cannons.

Learn this with cockpit on and go from there.

Everything else is just flying http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Freelancer-1
10-23-2005, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
I think the most important point is to fly with as much realism as possible from the start - lock yourself into the cockpit (don't use the no cockpit view), enable torque, realistic gunnery, realistic takeoff & landing, etc. When I first started playing with the initial release I was playing with "arcade" settings and had to un-learn all my bad habits!

I agree 100%

The only thing I would add to that is ALWAYS record your missions so you can replay them and see where your bullets are actually going.

Also I found at first that slowing the game down during critical moments ([ ] keys) will help you get a handle on where you should be aiming.

Also DO NOT fly against unarmed aircraft in QMB. It will simply teach you bad habbits and you'll later wonder why you keep getting shot down.

I think it's better to have a little frustration at first than a whole lot later on.

Good luck & happy hunting

Bearcat99
10-23-2005, 11:31 AM
Russian AC:
La series....
American AC:
F-4
Brewster
British AC:
Hurris....
Spits w CW..

I recommend you save the German AC until you fly the sim for at least a week or two to get used to the FMs.. but out of the german planes I prefer the 109s.. over the 190s... The 190s are great planes but they are just too quick in the roll for me.

I recommend that you keep all of your flight characteristics to full realism ie. engine overheat,stalls & spins, fuel etc. The only thing that I suggest you could get away with toning down is the ammo. Unlimmited ammo is a great way to practice gunnery. The key to susessfully using it is to not spray... hold the trigger down until you hit.... but to act as if you have limited ammo, firing in short bursts. Keep in mind that if yiou are carrying bombs they will never leave the bombracks so for bombing practice unlimmitted ammo is not always as good to do. Once you begin to get a feel for the physics of the weapons in the sim then you can convert to limmitted ammo so that you can become more accustomed to the ammo load of your chosen AC. I also recommend that you not use friendly AC for target practice... since friendly AC will not try to evade you.... instead use enemy AC but make them all rookies and put them in inferior aircraft.... whatever AC you choose. For instance.... you could set the emeny to fly I153s or P-11s while you fly your P-40 or whatever... also give them ammo... that way they will at least try to shoot back which is what you want..... set the odds at 2:1... 2 of them.. one of you.... as your skills improve you can increase the enemy AI skillset and also add more .... 4 emnemies to two of you.... 5 to two 6 to two etc.. (give yourself an AI wingman) and so on.

For bombing practice I highly recommend you set up a DF mission..pick any one.. you can do this by going to multiplay>Create Server>Dogfight... You can do this offline lone... Go in there.. pick a plane and a bombloadout.... and practice bombing the enemy bases.. there will be no other pl;anes around of course... but the enemy flak will be enough of a challenge. That is also great take off and landing practice as well.

Dont expect this to happen overnight either... it wont... the learning curve is steep but well worth the effort. The fun factor is off the charts in this sim.

Friendly_flyer
10-23-2005, 11:44 AM
I see you like to give the boomers a try. Bombers are nice to fly, but there is often little "instant action" like what you can get with fighters. You will very quickly start to envy the escort fighter pilots, just like some bomber crews did in real life.

The He 111 is as good a bomber as any, however there is a whole class of planes that allows you to combine bombing and fighting, namely the fighter-bombers (Beaufighter, Me 110, IL2 series and the infamous Stuka). I very much recommend giving the IL2 a spin. Try out some in the Quick Mission Builder, and when you find something that you fancy, try out a campaign. The game generate good campaigns for you, and there are a lot of very interesting user-made campaigns out there.

dieg777
10-23-2005, 11:55 AM
here is a good site with lots of info to help you out.

http://www.airwarfare.com/index.htm

check out the community manual for help

Xiolablu3
10-24-2005, 04:43 PM
I find Hurris quite a handful in combat, I know they were the ulitimate 'noob' plane when they first came out so I have heard, but trying to dogfight Zeros in a 1938 Hurri is not something I would suggest to a person new to the sim.

Try the Spitfires, later Yaks, Zeros, KI84, 109F,G2

These are all pretty friendly planes for the beginner. The Spit you dont even have flaps to worry about. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Good luck!

VW-IceFire
10-24-2005, 05:11 PM
A Spitfire VIII or IX is actually a fairly good place to start for most new pilots these days. No complicated flap settings, no serious engine management requirements (even with Complex Engine Management on). The Spitfires were superbly designed to be flown by inexperienced pilots and the VIII and IX are definately representative of that.

Automatic radiator, supercharger stage, prop pitch, and only two flap settings. A very easy to manage aircraft for a new pilot...and yet still a good challenge to wring every last bit of performance out of it for a more experienced veteran. A good plane to grow from.

Once you master that, I'd say move to something extremely challenging...like a FW190 or a P-47. Learn those after the Spitfire...you will not like them (even hate them) for a while but you'll long be on your way to being a superb fighter pilot.

As far as bombers go...the A-20G is my favorite attack bomber.

Pirschjaeger
10-25-2005, 03:32 AM
Worry not, you will never be judged on your flying skills. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

You will however be judged on your post count. NOOB! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Welcome to the family. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Fritz http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

nakamura_kenji
10-25-2005, 03:51 AM
ki-61 nice simple easy plane fly, no have real engine managment control radiator and prop only have. no super charge ,mixture boost system worry about like plane most do. it do most thing but top speed low compare american speed brick and be easy flown on edge, eve more now 4.02 (little torque p_q)

ImpStarDuece
10-25-2005, 04:07 AM
Two planews spring to mind as very good to learn on.

1. G.50

It has very crisp handling, excellent foward vision, a good gunsight, clear instrumentation and is very forgiving in turns.

Its not too fast or highly powered, but it can still turn fight exceptionally well. Trim is nice and easy, and it is fairly stable. The mediocre armamnet of 2 Breda HMGs (12.7x81) means that you will learn to aim carefully right away.

The only downsides are a lack of vision to the rear and an engine that cuts out under negative G.

2. Hurricane IIb

Rock steady, stable through turns and gunnery. Gets my votes as the most approachable plane in the game.

It doesn't feel as light and nible as some others but it is a great aircraft for learning the basics of good energy mamagement and situational awareness. There is very little wobble in the nose and hardly any gunshake to throw off your aim.

The armament is light, but like the G.50, it is very rewarding when a sustained burst gets a kill. Accurate aim is rewarded.

pettera
10-25-2005, 05:26 AM
Why don't everybody say the obvious:

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifStart using an IL2! They have great armament, big cannons, rockets, bombs and even torpedos so you can do a lot. But most important: They hardly ever stall and more important never spin. So it is easy to fly and you can even dogfight with it - turns very well. You can even jump into the rear position.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Then try an La 7! Its a great and feared turn-fighter and doesn't have any of the oddities most other planes have.

Then go for the whole schabong. It will keep you occupied for a year or two.

When it comes to realism i am not so concerned about that. Make it as easy as possible in the start or you will be very discouraged. You will soon come to terms with and maybe enjoy that it can be very difficult even to down a single plane: The bombers massacre you and the fighters are hard to hit.

So good luck and welcome on board.

Petter

Kuna15
10-25-2005, 06:49 AM
Originally posted by JG5_UnKle:
GUNNERY

Learn it until you shoot six ways to oblivion and hit things at delection angles.

You cause more damage to targets with high deflection shots vs dead 6 shots - especially cannons.

Learn this with cockpit on and go from there.

Everything else is just flying http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://free-vk.t-com.hr/domagoj/smileys/ditto.gif
The best way is to start with gunnery, you can reduce your lack of experience by choosing more manouverable aircraft than opponent.
I would suggest that you use either LA-7 or Bf-109, the aces mounts. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Go into QMB (quick mission builder) and start practicing.

And btw I don't know why are you call yourself a noob, when you are newcomer, begginer, rookie or newbie (a few expressions with same meaning afaik). As I understand it n00b is a person who is inexperienced and rude.