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SkyChimp
12-17-2004, 08:01 PM
... and Oleg is modelling prop-jet hybrids, how about this?

http://www.features02.kitparade.com/images/fireballfr_1.jpg

http://sfstation.members.easyspace.com/fr-1-2.jpg

I've got technical drawings and complete cockpit photos http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Or would a plane that outturns the FM-2 and outclimbs the Sptifire MK XIV be too much?

SkyChimp
12-17-2004, 08:02 PM
Hmm?

SkyChimp
12-17-2004, 08:02 PM
Hmmmm?

AlmightyTallest
12-17-2004, 08:03 PM
Is that a Ryan Fireball? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SkyChimp
12-17-2004, 08:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlmightyTallest:
Is that a Ryan Fireball? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, it is. And it arouses me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

LEXX_Luthor
12-17-2004, 08:25 PM
Great idea Chimp. And just what we need for Russian CD MiG~13, several dozen served with Baltic Fleet until 1950...jet compressor driven by prop engine. The most amazing thing is Oleg said he found the resources to modd it.


http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/fr-mig-13.jpg
~> http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/mig-13.html

Would be nice if Russian CD had He~100D with normal rad cooling, a squadron of which flew Heinkel factory defense (before the big bombings started though - so no combat). Don't know how popular that would be in Russian or English markets hehe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

That MiG~9 Oleg told us about would go nice with YP~80...or hopefully P~80.

crazyivan1970
12-17-2004, 09:09 PM
What is that thing Chimp?

AlmightyTallest
12-17-2004, 09:14 PM
Ivan, it's called the "Ryan Fireball" I posted about it in the thread about strange U.S. aircraft yesterday.

I think they were on the way to Japan when the war ended, pretty interesting aircraft, but would probably fit a 1945-1946 Pacific scenario. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Don't know about foreign use of this plane though, anyone else have any info? It's pretty interesting.

crazyivan1970
12-17-2004, 09:16 PM
Kewl... Turns like zero, climbs like K4... what about guns? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SkyChimp
12-17-2004, 09:22 PM
4 .50s

crazyivan1970
12-17-2004, 09:35 PM
Dang... they could start producing MK108 by then and i would fully support you in that venture Chimp

chris455
12-17-2004, 10:31 PM
My mom worked at Ryan here in San Diego during the war.
"Rosie the riveter"

fordfan25
12-17-2004, 10:32 PM
umm is that a jet outlet in the back??

SkyChimp
12-17-2004, 10:53 PM
Yes, it's half prop, half jet.

IV_JG51_Razor
12-17-2004, 11:03 PM
My dad, a career Naval Aviator, used to tell me that the Ryan pilots liked to "bounce" airliners such as the Connie and DC-6s, and cruise by with their piston engine shut down and their prop feathered! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

ElAurens
12-17-2004, 11:15 PM
http://www.studenten.net/customasp/axl/image/foto/9-1-2004-14-4-ryan_fr_fireball_formation.jpg

I love this pic. Props feathered, and flying on the jet engine alone....

AlmightyTallest
12-17-2004, 11:22 PM
That's interesting chris, do you know exactly what she did while working there? Maybe she got to work with components for this aircraft. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

lol great picture http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So was this aircraft primarily used after WWII? And if so, did they really think that 4 .50 caliber guns would be effective at that time? I would have thought they would have gone to 4 20mm like the Corsairs did by the Korean war.

ElAurens
12-17-2004, 11:26 PM
The Fireball entered service in 1945 and was withdrawn in 1947.

And 4 .50 brownings was totally fine agianst the majority of Japanese aircraft that the Ryan was designed to counter.

SkyChimp
12-17-2004, 11:32 PM
During an exhibition at the National Air Races in Cleveland Ohio (20 November 1946) called Operation Pogostick, a service Ryan FR-1 climbed from lift-off to 10,000 feet in just under 100 seconds.

SkyChimp
12-17-2004, 11:45 PM
Nevermind. Gibbage just pointed out that Grumman bought Ryan in 1999. It's on their website.

AlmightyTallest
12-17-2004, 11:55 PM
Ouch... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

fordfan25
12-17-2004, 11:58 PM
whats the point of haveing a prop and jet?

LEXX_Luthor
12-18-2004, 12:10 AM
It makes prop simmers and jet simmers Happy.

woofiedog
12-18-2004, 12:18 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gifType: Carrier based fighter-bomber
Origin: Ryan
http://www.studenten.net/customasp/axl/image/foto/9-1-2004-14-5-ryan_fr1_14_drawing_a_crowd.jpg
Crew/Seats: One
Model: FR-1 & XFR2-1
First Flight:
First Prototype: June 25, 1944
XFR2-1: November 1946
Service Delivery: March 1945
Removal from Service: 1947

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Engine:
FR-1:
Model: Wright R-1820-72W Cyclone
Type: Radial piston engine
Number: One Horsepower: 1,425 hp

Model: General Electric J31
Type: Turbojet
Number: One Thrust: 1,600 lb

FR-1:
Model: General Electric XT-31-GE-2
Type: Turboprop
Number: One Horsepower: N/A

Model: General Electric J31
Type: Turbojet
Number: One Thrust: 1,600 lb
Dimensions:
Wing span: 40 ft. 0 in. (12.19m)
Length: 32 ft. 4 in. (9.86m)
Height: 13 ft. 7 (4.15m)
Wing Surface Area: 275 Sq. Ft. (25.55m²)

Weights:
Empty: 7,915 lb. (3590 kg)
Loaded: 10,595 lb. (4806 kg)

Performance:
Maximum Speed: 426 mph (686 kph) at 18,100 ft.
Cruising Speed: N/A
Initial Climb: N/A
Service Ceiling: 43,100 ft. (13,135m)
Range: 1,30 miles (1658m)

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Armament:
N/A

Payload:
N/A

http://www.studenten.net/customasp/axl/image/foto/9-1-2004-14-6-ryanp3_engine.jpg

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Avionics: N/A

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Daiichidoku
12-18-2004, 12:21 AM
Given recent events, maybe a 1C product marketed online....KO-RE-***