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MEGILE
07-02-2005, 09:36 AM
if Fighter Command doesn't have an uber Radar system to rely on.
It'll be like lambs to the slaughter, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

willyvic
07-02-2005, 09:43 AM
Slow day?

Tvrdi
07-02-2005, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
if Fighter Command doesn't have an uber Radar system to rely on.
It'll be like lambs to the slaughter, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


you must be kiddin....youll have online wars (like CW) with specific targets.....so you will know where LW would appear....common.....and tell me...you will fly only for the RAF all the time? another one-side player/whiner? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

F0_Dark_P
07-02-2005, 10:28 AM
yes, we will slaughter you all english flyers, be sure of that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

109 for the win!!1

carguy_
07-02-2005, 10:37 AM
Don`t be so sure of that.I`m sure Oleg will take care of proper game balance. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Anyway,in BoB LW will not be fighting with hatred nor will Oberkommando Luftwaffe be consisting of idiots.

But if we get Emil with pre 4.0 fuel consumption,you can be sure things will be hard for LW.Look at Emil now,after the patch.It has so much fuel I can go easily from Derbety to Stalingrad and patrol there.How fuel is important this plane shows.From a thirsty drunkard able to fight for 7mins to a skilled soldier with big combat capabilities.

Considering the Spit I will be similar to Emil,LW gonna 0wn$ RAF jockeys.

Lord-Rapter
07-02-2005, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
yes, we will slaughter you all english flyers, be sure of that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

109 for the win!!1

Not if i shoot you down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

F0_Dark_P
07-02-2005, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by carguy_:
Don`t be so sure of that.I`m sure Oleg will take care of proper game balance. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Anyway,in BoB LW will not be fighting with hatred nor will Oberkommando Luftwaffe be consisting of idiots.

But if we get Emil with pre 4.0 fuel consumption,you can be sure things will be hard for LW.Look at Emil now,after the patch.It has so much fuel I can go easily from Derbety to Stalingrad and patrol there.How fuel is important this plane shows.From a thirsty drunkard able to fight for 7mins to a skilled soldier with big combat capabilities.

Considering the Spit I will be similar to Emil,LW gonna 0wn$ RAF jockeys.

...we will still have G├┬Âring http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

FritzGryphon
07-02-2005, 11:40 AM
99% of players will be turnfight noobs with no concept of fuel economy. Tell me again how LW can win?

F0_Dark_P
07-02-2005, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
99% of players will be turnfight noobs with no concept of fuel economy. Tell me again how LW can win? we can play a online game where just our friends participate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

problem solved and Germany wins Battle of Britain http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MEGILE
07-02-2005, 11:48 AM
It'd be a funny turn of events if the Nazis won..no?

BuzzU
07-02-2005, 11:59 AM
As in real life. Germany will lose.

MEGILE
07-02-2005, 12:00 PM
Germany lost? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
I've read books!

carguy_
07-02-2005, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by BuzzU:
As in real life. Germany will lose.


You mean like over here (http://czechwar.vwings.org/mapa.html) ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MEGILE
07-02-2005, 12:14 PM
Look, Germany won on the Eastern front too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
07-02-2005, 12:14 PM
Lose? Without doubt. Especially if BoB retains 'anti-grav' Spits http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ta,
Norris

MEGILE
07-02-2005, 12:16 PM
I can see it all now..

I see... LeadSpitter.... Photoshop... A box cover for BoB... a map of europe... Britain coloured red with a Swastika and the words Battle of Britain, a 1C product.

BuzzU
07-02-2005, 03:40 PM
I see lots of this in BOB.


http://homepages.win.co.nz/bphprint/gerpics/109patt.jpg

BuzzU
07-02-2005, 03:44 PM
Now I wait for. "That's not BOB." or "That's not a 109E."

Don't force me to post another pic.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Xiolablu3
07-02-2005, 03:56 PM
Now now chaps, I'm sure we will all have a spiffing days sparring on the day, what??

Hopefully Jerry will be around in good numbers so that we can knock him for Six!

Tally Ho!

Low_Flyer_MkII
07-02-2005, 04:01 PM
But first a word from our sponsors...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/downed.jpg

MEGILE
07-02-2005, 04:50 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

VW-IceFire
07-02-2005, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by BuzzU:
Now I wait for. "That's not BOB." or "That's not a 109E."

Don't force me to post another pic.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Ok I wouldn't want to push you that far but that plane does have white ID bands....which indicates its probably in the desert and it sort of looks like the desert out there.

Did they start using white ID bands in BoB?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p1ngu666
07-02-2005, 05:01 PM
http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//109dux.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

MEGILE
07-02-2005, 05:04 PM
At ease soldier.

SeaNorris
07-02-2005, 05:08 PM
http://s110605900.websitehome.co.uk/hendon/hen-defiant.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

MEGILE
07-02-2005, 05:12 PM
All this BoB talk.. makes me want to jump in a Blenheim IV, fly 300k to Dusseldorf and get shot down by the Flak.

AFK 45 mins

Feathered_IV
07-02-2005, 05:30 PM
Radar would be very nice indeed. I wish we had something like that for online play in Pacific Fighters. Particularly for the US camp.

I was thinking when a player joins and selects an aircraft, they have another option - Radar Controller. Select that and you are spawned without a plane, but when you open up your map you can see all the other plane icons. Using TS or chat you could then direct fighters onto incomming plots.

Low_Flyer_MkII
07-02-2005, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Radar would be very nice indeed. I wish we had something like that for online play in Pacific Fighters. Particularly for the US camp.

I was thinking when a player joins and selects an aircraft, they have another option - Radar Controller. Select that and you are spawned without a plane, but when you open up your map you can see all the other plane icons. Using TS or chat you could then direct fighters onto incomming plots.

That's not a bad idea.....

mole_boy
07-02-2005, 06:35 PM
I vert much doubt that anyone will get flogged, it will probably be a close run thing. Why? The planes are so evenly matched.Compare the performance of BF-109e and Spitfire I. Also I think it is pretty stupid of ppl to start bragging about shooting others down when the game is at least 6 months away.

LStarosta
07-02-2005, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
yes, we will slaughter you all english flyers, be sure of that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

109 for the win!!1

Not if me and my Hurricane Mk1 have something to say about that...

LStarosta
07-02-2005, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
I can see it all now..

I see... LeadSpitter.... Photoshop... A box cover for BoB... a map of europe... Britain coloured red with a Swastika and the words Battle of Britain, a 1C product.

Wrong. It will say "An Oleg Maddox Game. By Oleg Maddox."

BuzzU
07-02-2005, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by mole_boy:
I vert much doubt that anyone will get flogged, it will probably be a close run thing. Why? The planes are so evenly matched.Compare the performance of BF-109e and Spitfire I. Also I think it is pretty stupid of ppl to start bragging about shooting others down when the game is at least 6 months away.

Stupid is what flight sim forums are all about.

Lucius_Esox
07-03-2005, 04:47 AM
and tell me...you will fly only for the RAF all the time? another one-side player/whiner?

Yep thats me without the whining http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Stupid is what flight sim forums are all about.

Yep ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Airmail109
07-03-2005, 08:21 AM
If only they fitted the defiant with forward firing guns.

I wonder if the defiant was fitted later on with a gryphon engine and forward fireing guns, some extra, and provision for bombs and rockets would have made a good ground attack plane like the sturmovik?

SeaFireLIV
07-03-2005, 08:31 AM
All this talk about the Luftwaffe beating Britain just makes me even more dtermined to batter every last Jerry boy outta the sky!

Stay away from our good old Great Britain!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
07-03-2005, 08:57 AM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/dadsarmy.jpg

Bring it on! We're ready.

Profy_le_Troll
07-03-2005, 09:04 AM
Who cares which side will won ? The most important fact if that we all have fun flying over the chanel http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JamesBlonde888
07-03-2005, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
But first a word from our sponsors...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/downed.jpg

Pure advertising genius. Thanks for the laugh Lowflyer

JamesBlonde888
07-03-2005, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
If only they fitted the defiant with forward firing guns.

I wonder if the defiant was fitted later on with a gryphon engine and forward fireing guns, some extra, and provision for bombs and rockets would have made a good ground attack plane like the sturmovik?

They did, and they also did away with the turret.

Guess what they called it! The Hurricane!

MEGILE
07-03-2005, 10:20 AM
Luftwaffles with .303 sprinkles.

Pirschjaeger
07-03-2005, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
Don`t be so sure of that.I`m sure Oleg will take care of proper game balance. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Anyway,in BoB LW will not be fighting with hatred nor will Oberkommando Luftwaffe be consisting of idiots.

But if we get Emil with pre 4.0 fuel consumption,you can be sure things will be hard for LW.Look at Emil now,after the patch.It has so much fuel I can go easily from Derbety to Stalingrad and patrol there.How fuel is important this plane shows.From a thirsty drunkard able to fight for 7mins to a skilled soldier with big combat capabilities.

Considering the Spit I will be similar to Emil,LW gonna 0wn$ RAF jockeys.

...we will still have G├┬Âring http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, G├┬Âring, that fat morphine addicted schwein , is dead. Our only enemy is the Allied planes; now we have a good chance. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Fritz

Aaron_GT
07-03-2005, 02:26 PM
It's entirely possible that in the BoB simulation the LW will win. In the real event the RAF did pretty much the right things, and the LW did a number of things wrong. But we can look at history and learn from those historical events. This doesn't leave the RAF many options for improvement compared to the LW in what was a closely fought engagement.

Probably the only possible things the RAF could do are:

* Experiment with more or less Big Wing tactics
* Change some of the unit rotation procedures
* Offensive sweeps of LW bases (very risky in daylight)
* Night intruder operations with Blenheim Is, IFs and Defiants if the LW switches to night operations.

Monty_Thrud
07-03-2005, 03:14 PM
BAGSY the Bf110...erm noo i meant the defiant..DOOOH!


Hey, G├┬Âring, that fat morphine addicted schwein , is dead. Our only enemy is the Allied planes; now we have a good chance.

He wasnt fat he was big boned...your planes is mince meat...be sure...VIVA the superior sexy plane

Lucius_Esox
07-03-2005, 03:28 PM
Aaron_GT wrote


It's entirely possible that in the BoB simulation the LW will win. In the real event the RAF did pretty much the right things, and the LW did a number of things wrong. But we can look at history and learn from those historical events. This doesn't leave the RAF many options for improvement compared to the LW in what was a closely fought engagement.


Make you right there. Hindsight is a wonderfull thing, and the Germans should benifit from it most because they made the most mistakes.

I wonder how "good" the campaign will be though. Offline campaigns have hardly been the IL2 series strongpoint http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Pirschjaeger
07-03-2005, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
BAGSY the Bf110...erm noo i meant the defiant..DOOOH!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Hey, G├┬Âring, that fat morphine addicted schwein , is dead. Our only enemy is the Allied planes; now we have a good chance.

He wasnt fat he was big boned...your planes is mince meat...be sure...VIVA the superior sexy plane </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aha! I knew all along he was an Allied spy! G├┬Âring won the war. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Fritz

NorrisMcWhirter
07-03-2005, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
It's entirely possible that in the BoB simulation the LW will win. In the real event the RAF did pretty much the right things, and the LW did a number of things wrong. But we can look at history and learn from those historical events. This doesn't leave the RAF many options for improvement compared to the LW in what was a closely fought engagement.

Probably the only possible things the RAF could do are:

* Experiment with more or less Big Wing tactics
* Change some of the unit rotation procedures
* Offensive sweeps of LW bases (very risky in daylight)
* Night intruder operations with Blenheim Is, IFs and Defiants if the LW switches to night operations.

I'm not sure about the Big Wing; it seemed a total waste of time although I'm sure it looked impressive enough even if you were the ones at the back struggling to keep up.

Obvious LW changes include low-level pinpoint hit and run attacks on radar/sector stations using 109s and/or 110s or maybe even a concerted effort against the Supermarine works seeing as the shadow factory wasn't up and running.

Yep..hindsight can be a wonderful thing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Conflict of interest for me is the BoB. Still, it's always interesting to change history purely in a virtual sense.

It may be less fun recreating the mauling of Bomber command's foolish (tragic) forays across Europe, though.

Ta,
Norris

MEGILE
07-03-2005, 04:28 PM
Kurt Tank should have invented the 190 2 years earlier.
Then I would speak German http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Monty_Thrud
07-03-2005, 04:51 PM
They cant take the Spitfire Mitch...they cant take the Spitfire

http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//limage_bbmf_15.jpg

Beat that Pingu http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
07-03-2005, 04:55 PM
That's one for the 'My Pictures' screensaver! Cheers Monty!

Lucius_Esox
07-03-2005, 06:02 PM
That's one for the 'My Pictures' screensaver! Cheers Monty!


Yep http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

blakduk
07-03-2005, 07:56 PM
I think its wrong to assume the British did everything right in the BOB and the LW made all the mistakes.
For too long the British avoided adopting the LW 'finger four' formation and insisted on maintaining a 'tail-end charlie' to cover the rear of the formation. Often this poor b@stard was lost before anyone knew about it.
Not enough attention was paid to the carburettor problem initially nor the variable pitch propellors that were too slow in being made standard. There was quite bitter and personal debate re the 'big wing' of Mallorey vs the 'scramble to break up the bomber formations' tactics that were favoured by Parkes.
An interesting historical note i recall reading some time ago was the RAF's insistence on maintaining airfields within relatively easy striking distance of the LW- if they had been brought back some distance the damage they would have had to endure would have been far less. The range limitation of the LW could have been used more against them.

Aaron_GT
07-04-2005, 12:49 AM
I'm not sure about the Big Wing; it seemed a total waste of time although I'm sure it looked impressive enough even if you were the ones at the back struggling to keep up.

My preference would be for no Big Wings, but who knows, maybe all Big Wings could have been effective. Maybe the proportion of Big Wings in the real BoB was just wrong.

Kernow
07-04-2005, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:

Probably the only possible things the RAF could do are:

* Experiment with more or less Big Wing tactics
* Change some of the unit rotation procedures
* Offensive sweeps of LW bases (very risky in daylight)
* Night intruder operations with Blenheim Is, IFs and Defiants if the LW switches to night operations.

According to Len Deighton's Fighter, once Leigh-Mallory had got Dowding and Park removed (or got the Air Ministry to remove them), he was able to set up a big exercise, just after the BoB, to 'prove' that his Big Wings would have worked better than Dowding's and Park's tactics. Apparently it was a fiasco with all the major sector airfields south of London getting 'bombed' without interference, while the Big Wings were still forming up. By the time they would have been intercepted the bombers were well on the way home to tea and medals.

Offensive sweeps would have been another quick way to lose the battle http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif With very limited resources - especially trained fighter pilots - the last thing you want is to throw away a valuable ac and pilot every time a bullet finds a radiator. Bomber Command did try attacking German bases with Blenheims - in daylight - and usually suffered something like 100% casualties, until they worked out it was a ****in' stupid idea http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Wonder if the Blenheims will be in BoB? Their part is often conveniently forgotten, in Britain at least.

And will BoB really be able to recreate the large scale formations used in the BoB, or will the available computer power be used to generate just a handful of really 'gucci' looking ac models? Great for screenshots; sh**e for immersion / simulation. I'm afraid I can guess the answer.

Tvrdi
07-04-2005, 04:55 AM
i feel sorry for you guys who will fly only for one side....it would be after all, only a game....you would pay for the whole game...and its more fun to fly everything what is available...dont you think?

Aaron_GT
07-04-2005, 05:32 AM
Bomber Command did try attacking German bases with Blenheims - in daylight - and usually suffered something like 100% casualties, until they worked out it was a ****in' stupid idea

Yes, daylight was a mistake! I am just wondering if using the No.23 intruder techniques earlier would be useful. It requires a change to LW night bombing to make it worth doing, though.

With regard to Big Wings - attacking in force makes sense, it is just that forming up those forces was far too time consuming. The only other way of doing it would be to form up Big Wings from the more westerly or northerly sectors on speculation of an attack and then fly them into the main home sectors. Wasteful of fuel, but this wasn't in particularly short supply. There would be some increased pilot fatigue in the 'rest' sectors too.

Sturm_Williger
07-04-2005, 06:46 AM
Hah, it's obvious that the Boulton-Paul Defiant will be the uber-plane of BoB.

With that deadly AI accuracy, how can it fail !

JG53Frankyboy
07-04-2005, 07:06 AM
http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/images/falco_33.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
we will see which will have the sharper turnradius : Hurricane ore Falco http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nick_Toznost
07-04-2005, 07:14 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sturm_Williger:
Hah, it's obvious that the Boulton-Paul Defiant will be the uber-plane of BoB.

You must be joking, with no forward firing armament? Unter. Nicht uber.

MEGILE
07-04-2005, 07:26 AM
Nice pic Monty, and p1ngu has failed to reply.. you may have outclassed him yet!!
If the multiplayer format stays the way it currently is, I won't be flying BoB all that much http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
Much prefer WW2OL to IL2:PF at the moment, to the extent that I haven't played IL2 in 2 weeks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif