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T_O_A_D
10-28-2004, 07:26 PM
One thing I'd like mention.

This patch whine, and all of PF not fitting the two CD's jargon.

Might aswell drop it, all of ya!

It was our pressure on OLEG to make it an addon, aswell as a stand alone. Thats why it ended up so big and wouldn't fit. If we as a community would of been happy with a stand alone only, all of PF would all be there. BE SURE!
But we expressed differently, So Oleg took care of us. Doing this, he had to add all the patches for FB.AEP so it could be an addon. This crowded the original idea's space, on the two CD's. PF and its Game engine for stand alone and all its goodies would of had plenty of room.


Ok these Pirating threads and what to do about it. Needs to stop Please. They blow out of proportion. Some far enough to get a few Permantly BANNED. I don't want to or the other MODS want to Ban people, but if you keep breaking the rules we will run out of Patience and be forced into it. Besides it waist alot of our free time to play aswell.

Feel free to comment on the first topic but the second topic is taboo. Even in this thread. Anyone Dumb enough to push it will be removed.

Chuck_Older
10-28-2004, 07:34 PM
I think a lot of the problem is that folks don't understand that it's not just a case of saying, "We'll make it THREE Cds to get all the content"

Well, they had to go with Two! The reason is, probably, "because"

Because...that's what they had to work with. Features cost money, and time costs money...I can understand that. I can't say how many times an engineer has asked me to put more stuff on a design that they came up with, but still wanted the same number of hours charged to the program. Just doesn't work that way! More stuff equals more time and more cost, and worse, wasted time figuring out how to make it all work in the right timeframe.

Classic catch-22 where trying for more stuff gets you less stuff, and going with the standard design gets you in trouble because you didn't have enough stuff!

TheGozr
10-28-2004, 07:58 PM
Why? because http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

LStarosta
10-28-2004, 08:01 PM
It's much like bombing your own airfield so that the Germans will buy out your cotton surplus, methinks.

Bearcat99
10-28-2004, 08:12 PM
Anybody complaining too much about PF is out of thier minds. I wont even mention the other thing. For Oleg to make this a stand alone only would have been in my opinion a big mistake. As far as I am concerned he did the right ting by making it both ways. I dont know of any other developers that would have even given 2 dumps about what thier customers wanted in that regard. The bottom line would have been what will make te most $$$. We all need to get a grip and just be glad that we have a product of this calibre that is so inclusive. You can fly from France to Japan... not literally of course but in pieces and under the best flight models and graphics to be found on any WW2 sim to date. We have so many planes we dont know what to do. There is no 3 front sim of this calibre.. and if you consider a slight stretch of the imagination you can even make it an all front sim with that little fictional desert map as the Med. Some of us need to just get over ourselves and be happy.

jensenpark
10-28-2004, 08:21 PM
you said it all Bearcat...

willyvic
10-28-2004, 08:42 PM
Yep, some of ya really do need to get over yourselves...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


WV

Korolov
10-28-2004, 08:47 PM
Well the mods must be doing a good job, because I haven't seen much of what's been described.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

willyvic
10-28-2004, 08:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
Well the mods must be doing a good job, because I haven't seen much of what's been described.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, you can be sure of that. They dictated the rules, drew the line, and are enforcing the "code". And they didn't even have to use the secret hand shake.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WV

Targ
10-28-2004, 09:55 PM
Better ban Willy...
He knows about the secret handshake http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Zatorski
10-28-2004, 10:10 PM
I heard the secret handshake "tickles" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Franzen
10-29-2004, 12:48 AM
It's true, it does tickle but I didn't know it was a secret.

Btw, I haven't read or posted in GD for about a month now, maybe more. I thought I'd take a look to see if there was any buzz about PF. But, he he he, this is not what I expected. Are people really complaining that PF is on 2 cds? The world really isn't round , is it. This could actually be the ultimate whine. I guess some just prefer hours of patch downloading, different strokes for different folks.

Then again I will choose to look on the bright side; if this is all they have to complain about, it's good news isn't it?

Fritz Franzen

Capt.LoneRanger
10-29-2004, 12:53 AM
Did I miss something? Can somebody please point me to the whine-thread this is a counter-whine-thread for?

I never saw somebody complain there are 2 CDs in the box!? Are you kidding me?

And the whine for an upcoming patch is quite silent, compared to what it had been before.

WTE_Ibis
10-29-2004, 01:57 AM
If you've time to whine you aint flyen enuf. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Franzen
10-29-2004, 02:00 AM
Does this mean Toad is whining about a whine that was never whined? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I think I saw this on Star Trek.

Fritz Franzen

trumper
10-29-2004, 02:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
Does this mean Toad is whining about a whine that was never whined? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I think I saw this on Star Trek.

Fritz Franzen <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OOOH does this mean we ban T O A D http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Franzen
10-29-2004, 02:44 AM
Careful Trumper, remember when you make a toad nervous he'll pee in your hand. You wouldn't want that now would you? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Fritz Franzen

trumper
10-29-2004, 02:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
Careful Trumper, remember when you make a toad nervous he'll pee in your hand. You wouldn't want that now would you? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Fritz Franzen <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He's a nice housetrained TOAD,anyway you won't catch me moaning about P/F,only about the lack of time i get to play it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

B16Enk
10-29-2004, 03:35 AM
To clarify:

The whine wasn't about it being on 2 CDs per se. It was about it not being on 3 Cds and therefore including ALL the flyables, which instead will be available in the not too distant as a downloadable patch.

It seems that packaging it as a Standalone and/or merged expansion used extra space on the CDs. And the extra cost of a third CD would have eaten into the profit margin. DVD was ruled out because it is not as pervasive as the CD format.

SeaFireLIV
10-29-2004, 03:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
Well the mods must be doing a good job, because I haven't seen much of what's been described.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. When I saw the post I thought, where`s this coming from?

carguy_
10-29-2004, 03:51 AM
Ppl plz if you think all those ready to go flyables are gonna come with just one upgrade file you`re making a mistake.

Btw if I were the one who decides about upgrades I`d make it 3 patches to prevent whining here and giv you doggies some meat.Every upgrade would be out in 3 months after the last one,each containing bug fixes,FM modifications and few flyables.I`m sure the ready content is enough to make 3x45MB upgrades you doggies whine for.

Personally I don`t have any idea why you want so many of them.Online I always fly against Yaks,I16 or Migs.Other flyables are not in use.But I rather have multiple variants of the same plane than 3 different planes anyway.

MOhz
10-29-2004, 03:57 AM
bearcat, if he Oleg continues his work, maybe one day we will be able to fly from france to japan and all the world around.... sigh dream

T_O_A_D
10-29-2004, 04:04 AM
Sorry Not many of them left to show. Most reared an ugly enough head they got deleted or moved to the moderator room. (Thats where we do the tickle thing) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Here is one (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=9541058532) That meltdown Insipred mine, after reading the one that had been moved already in the Mod room.

And a another (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=1621068532)

Thing is once a post breaks more than one rule I move it or delete it. If it breaks only one. I usually give a warning and close the thread. So if your not there when its up, you missed it.

Anyway Off to work I go.

BSS_Goat
10-29-2004, 06:28 AM
I will serve no whine before its time.

BM357_TinMan
10-29-2004, 06:56 AM
My take,

Some of what chuck said made a lot of sense.

As far as the whole 2-cd nonsense, to me, it is almost a non issue. Yes, maybe there are some missing flyables and some bugs, but we, as a comunity, screamed bloody murder for the release of this product and we got it. If 1c maddox and UBI soft hold true to precedent, we will get patches in the not so distant future that will address anybody's concerns.

As far as I'm concerened, I own the game, and have played it (they actually got the pre-order thing right this time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) and as it is now, bugs, missing planes and all, it is WELL WORTH the price of admission.

The point was made that "the game they bought was not the game they got", maybe so, but the thing to remember is, it will be. That is WAY more than most software companies will do. I might also add that the game I had at the last free v1.xx patch of FB before AEP was not the game I bought when I bought FB either, if you get my meaning (there was much more to it, for those that might not get my point).

Maddox has the right idea, you take a game, and build on it. The fact that it can be both a stand alone and an add in is simply awesome and who cares if we have to wait awhile to get a few planes if that is the consequence.

sheesh people.... I flew CFS before IL2 and talk about no customer support. Don't get me wrong, ubi soft does some pretty bonehead things, but there is a reason why I fly IL2 and not CFS.....

Chuck_Older
10-29-2004, 07:23 AM
Well, maybe a little sense in what I posted, but the long and the short of it is that it was borderline grounds for banning me

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-29-2004, 08:12 AM
If I couldn't look forward to DL'ing a patch/upgrade in anoher month or so, I would be more disappointed.

With all of the content/upgrades/fixes that have been released in "patch" form since the inception of IL2, it has become more of the norm than not and I'm ok with that.

IMO, there is enough goodness in PF the way it is to move this sim another step forward and yet again it will only get better with the soon-to-be-released patch. So what if the content wasn't all enclosed in the initial release. It's not like it will be dropped, just released later.

Personally, I'd still like to see a DVD option offered despite the described exclusivity of the platform. But that's just me.


TB

BM357_TinMan
10-29-2004, 08:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
Personally, I'd still like to see a DVD option offered despite the described exclusivity of the platform. But that's just me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Me too, I'd even pay a couple bucks more for it. As a matter of fact, the "Encarta" I bought, I specificly bought the DVD version because of the convenience.

Just think, if you are brand spanking new to IL2 land, you could buy the complete package, FB + AEP + PF in one package on DVD, would be simply awesome.....

Heck, if it were available like that, I might just buy it to have it....would be what, like 90 bucks or there about?

UK_Jackal
10-29-2004, 12:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
Well the mods must be doing a good job, because I haven't seen much of what's been described.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hahah cos they been banned and deleted http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-29-2004, 02:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
It's much like bombing your own airfield so that the Germans will buy out your cotton surplus, methinks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

that was about the best bit in the whole dang book if you ask me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif apart from the murderous ***** lol

crazyivan1970
10-29-2004, 03:40 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LStarosta
10-29-2004, 04:14 PM
Ok, I don't want to touch on Subject 2, but can we please get rid of all those silly stickies related to Subject 2? We have WAAAY too many stickies anyway, and the stickies on the you know what subject all pretty much say the same thing...

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-29-2004, 04:46 PM
RGR that!!
I think Bears Sig says all that needs to be said and the hysteria generated seems to have pretty much subsided. All they will achieve now is generate more post's on the subject at a later date.

T_O_A_D
10-29-2004, 06:14 PM
I was going to earlier but wanted to run it by the other MODS first. But I feel they have ran their course, so I moved them elsewhere safe. If need be they can return.

We are in debate about the stikies as we speek, Just have't come to a solution yet.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
Ok, I don't want to touch on Subject 2, but can we please get rid of all those silly stickies related to Subject 2? We have WAAAY too many stickies anyway, and the stickies on the you know what subject all pretty much say the same thing... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heuristic_ALgor
10-29-2004, 08:01 PM
"we will sell no whine before it€s time."

Orson Wells

Old_Canuck
10-30-2004, 12:51 AM
Tensions HAVE been running a bit high these days but now that we all understand each other ... here ... have some brownies and relax awhile.
http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/233/89211.jpg

Udidtoo
10-30-2004, 01:24 AM
.........scuse me, what did I miss? Been busy trying to become a better pilot. Whine you say? Here? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

The more things change............

mucker
10-30-2004, 02:09 AM
I love your screenshot OC! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

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