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XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 03:19 AM
I remember Oleg said that the last bug report will be readed on thurthday and then they will compile the final version of the patch.

Hmm today is sunday and there are no news about the release date. How long will it take to compile. I am getting tired of waiting for it. RC 01 and 02 are only
something to help waiting, but the final would be better.

If Oleg waits until everything is discused perfectly and knowbody have any new arguments, we could wait till death.

XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 03:19 AM
I remember Oleg said that the last bug report will be readed on thurthday and then they will compile the final version of the patch.

Hmm today is sunday and there are no news about the release date. How long will it take to compile. I am getting tired of waiting for it. RC 01 and 02 are only
something to help waiting, but the final would be better.

If Oleg waits until everything is discused perfectly and knowbody have any new arguments, we could wait till death.

XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 04:20 AM
Patenice, Young Padawan!

Well it was scheduled for Friday PM, but then the guys at 1C remembered they had to eat, sleep and breathe in the mean time, thus delaying the release.

Seriously, they will release it when it is ready. I prefere they take as long as they need, 'cause if things are not fixed this board will be awash with whining posts from people having a go at Oleg/1C//Ubi/each other (okay, more than usual, I admit).

They will not give us a release date because of the behaviour of some of the community members when things got delayed with 1.1 Final. Anyway, they owe us nothing, so it is their perogative as to what information they provide.

Now, return to your mediation exersizes!



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XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 06:57 PM
NegativeGee wrote:
- They will not give us a release date because of the
- behaviour of some of the community members when
- things got delayed with 1.1 Final. Anyway, they owe
- us nothing, so it is their perogative as to what
- information they provide.
-
- Now, return to your mediation exersizes!

That's true. I hope not happen again in next patch 1.3 even hope no more leaking closed beta patch next time.

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 01:11 AM
in the meantime what about learning to spell english words properly your spelling gives me the shivers

XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 01:25 AM
WRONG!!!!!

I paid 49 (T)Euro for this game and I think as a paying customer I have the RIGHT to know when the final 1.2 Patch is coming out.

After reading many of these post in this forum, I think most of you good people are DEAD WRONG!!!

Face it folks, we work hard for our money and give it out for these games and alot of the time they are substandard and it takes a few patches to get it right.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the IL2 series and am looking forward to the new BoB game. If the pay addon is not too expensive, I will most likely buy it also.

Without people like me and others who pay hard earned cash for the games, there would not be any market at all.

There is a old saying " The customer is King!"

Just remember that.

XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 04:57 AM
Capitals, comma's, and periods wouldn't be bad either.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Dark_Knight_667
11-17-2003, 05:10 AM
I like Oleg's new approach of releasing the RC's for open test. Community feedback if done in a constructive criticism manner is a good thing.

Whining posts are not. Nothing is gleaned from someone blatantly slamming an update or fix without backing up their claims.

All software has bugs..some less than others. Due to the high computer loads and high graphics demands of today's games and sims the bugs are more visible.

As a beta tester for a competing company (sorry ubi..but you didn't invite me..LOL) I have come to learn first hand how changing one byte of data to fix one thing can wreak havok on the sim as a whole.

The beta project I was involved in will be going gold very soon. Falcon Gold Operation Infinite Resolve, although not the same era, was packed with em due to major updates to Falcon 4.0's graphics engine. Only a few minor irritations remain.

An open beta, once the major bugs are squashed in closed testing is always good. It puts the update onto multiple computer setups.

Keep this in mind when reporting a bug

1. It has to be reproducable. This means that the person who finds the bug needs to try to reproduce it themselves.
2. The developers need to know a: the circumstances in the sim that the bug presents itself. b. what sequence of controls or keystrokes was the player doing at the time. c. the computer system specs with a list of drivers being used.

This gives the developers the tools to use their expertise to find and squash the bug..even if a minor one like a climb rate or roll rate can be found and resolved a bit more quickly with this information. Make the reports clear, concise, and to the point. Include screenshots or screencapture to illustrate.

If all on this board and many others used this as a guideline, developers could work a lot more quickly to resolve issues with the software.

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XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 06:08 AM
Wrong, Phat Phil.

You paid 49 Euro for 1.0 FB.

That came out last year.

There was never a guarantee you'd get more than that.
So take your entitlistic, unappreciative attitude somewhere else, like back to your bedroom.

What is your baby sitter THINKING letting you on the computer at this hour?

XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 06:54 AM
Phatt_Phil, you are wrong. Maybe your purchase has a written promise of an update but mine does not. I got the original game for my $41US and did not assume that I would get ANY free updates and enhancements. How many updates doe 1C owe you? They owe me zero. Oleg and company have to be pretty thought guys to put up with this kind of abuse. They will release the update when they think it is ready. And then you can complain about the free update having bugs.

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XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 06:55 AM
tolwyn.com wrote:
- Wrong, Phat Phil.
-
- You paid 49 Euro for 1.0 FB.
-
- That came out last year.
-
- There was never a guarantee you'd get more than
- that.
- So take your entitlistic, unappreciative attitude
- somewhere else, like back to your bedroom.
-
- What is your baby sitter THINKING letting you on the
- computer at this hour?
-
-

I concur.

XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 06:56 AM
Phil sell 490 Euro Nvida card, then have enough to buy 10 CDs FB. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 06:56 AM
garbazzz wrote:
- in the meantime what about learning to spell english
- words properly your spelling gives me the shivers



Thut wesn"t nace.

XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 09:17 PM
Tolwyn, you just showed me your IQ. That of a slug.

In some countries there are laws about "patches" and updates. Germany for example says that if a PC game or program needs a patch or upgrade, the CUSTOMER can demand his money back and compensation ( I hope I spelled it right for the English teacher).

Right, he does not have to give any upgrades or patches. Just how long do you think he (maybe its not fair to pick him out) or UBIsoft will last.

IF anybody read it complete thru, all I said was that the low IQ slugs who always knock people (and thinking they OWN these forums) should maybe look at the other side of the coin. There will always be people who complain about everything, from the color of the gunsight to the terrain. That comes with the territory. But the Know-it-Alls don't help either.

I would like to know from the DEV team if they are making this and all future games for the CUSTOMER, or for the select few.

By the way, I have been playing flight sims since the first vector-graphic C-64 games.

XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 11:00 PM
Dude.
Nice try. Yawn.

Read your licensing agreement.

There are no show stopping bugs in FB 1.0. Although there is an "end of support life" clause I would imagine somewhere between the US Publisher (and some European publisher) UBI and 1C, this agreement does not involve the end Customer from a legal standpoint.

Sure, we may benefit from it, but your attitude is not only misplaced, but also wrong.

You are trying to pull this "I am the customer and I am entitled" BS, when you are NOT entitled to anything other than a product free of manufacturer defects.

FB 1.0 passed QA from the publisher and was sent to the distributor (in some cases, they are one in the same). And whatever was passed from QA is all that you are entitled to.

You have a hard time, I'm sure with this. But keep trying. It's people like you that make developers not want to support products after they are released. You have the attitude of a 2 year old.

XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 11:03 PM
By the way, genius.
The DEV team is, from the most simplistic point of view, making the product for the Publisher, not the end customer.

So why don't you make your little patch demands to UBI. Give 'em a call. I'm sure they can handle your inquiries better than my slug-like IQ. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



Message Edited on 11/17/0303:22PM by tolwyn.com

XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 11:46 PM
that would be "genius" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 12:07 AM
Phatt_Phill, the highly contentious new poster with a very strong opinion.... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Well, you do make a point, unfortuntely you need to be rude to other forum members to do it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

With regard to German Laws, I think you will find that "need" is the operative word. If a game was shipped and could not run on a machine until it was patched then I'm sure you can be refunded your license fee on such grounds. Even then it sounds quite ambiguous considering the plethora of hardware configurations out there. I also imagine the user would have to allow the provider reasonable opportunity to rectify their problem via technical support.

I would not have thought (to stick with the game in question) that FB could be considered as a piece of software that "needs" a patch to run. Certainly, 1.2 is not to address such issues: it expands the game content and deals with semantics like play balance.



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XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 12:26 AM
Wow! Jabo, I think we are very lucky for any company to give us free updates.I beleive 1.2 is an add-on; not a patch. We are very lucky that Oleg still has a professional interest in IL-2, and to give us some new tweaks. Life could be alot worst. Let's enjoy what have. Anything else is a pure bonus.

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 12:36 AM
I can wait.

Nobody wants to see obvious errors and especially with the way people go over things here, its worth it to check it twice or five thousand times even if it means you get one of these threads on the forums.

Wait, do it right and check it over.

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XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 12:38 AM
Hehe, just to make things a little more complicated, I think the License Agreement would be invalid in Germany because it's not printed on the box in its entirety, and you can't see it before buying the game /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I also think you're by law entitled to get a flawless product. If something isn't working as it should (and judges are very customer friendly over there) then you have a right to either give it back, or receive fixes, and it's your own choice which of the two you want, for all I know. I actually think this is European law, just not all countries have transferred it into their national laws yet.

I.e., if Phil decides to keep the game, he can pester Oleg forever about patches /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I may be wrong of course, I'm not a lawyer /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

That said, cool down Phil. FB in its current state is working good enough, and let's be realistic, nobody on this planet can make software perfect, especially not when it gets as complex as FB or other simulations.

The current 'patch' is really an upgrade, not a patch (the 'patch' has been released a few months ago), it contains a lot of presents Oleg adds voluntarily to do us, his clients and fans, a favour.

Just wait a few more days and we'll get the final version.

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 01:17 AM
- in the meantime what about learning to spell english
- words properly your spelling gives me the shivers
-


Relax boy.
Let go of your stick, and go back to school now, okey. Maybe try to concentrate a bit more on foreign languages.

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 02:55 AM
yeh,what else can you buy for $49 thats this much fun,and lasts for more than one night?patches are a bonus!!

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 03:14 AM
garbazzz wrote:
- in the meantime what about learning to spell english
- words properly your spelling gives me the shivers


Maybe you'll let us know about the multiple languages you speak and spell flawlessly. In the meantime, remember that people from around the world participate in these forums, and for many of them English is not their first language (nor their second!).

GATO_LOCO

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 10:00 AM
... hmmm. Seen this style of patter before.

"you good people are DEAD WRONG!!!" he says condescendingly while he pours the gasoline (petrol?).

[jump on the bandwagon - we're all in this together] "Face it folks, we work hard for our money" while he lights his match.

"There is a old saying " The customer is King!"
-
- Just remember that."

[throws match]

OC

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XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 12:10 PM
garbazzz wrote:
- in the meantime what about learning to spell english
- words properly your spelling gives me the shivers
-
-


I have an idea... while we're at it, why don't you try some punctuation, as clearly grammar and spelling are more important than the issues being debated here.

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 12:16 PM
Phatt_Phill wrote:

- There is a old saying " The customer is King!"
-
- Just remember that.


My god, why don't you go preach your mindless dribble somewhere else, honestly. I know you feel personally insulted, and stripped of your rights because 1C hasn't jumped infront of a train to get the release dates to you, but i fail to see why they should halt all progress, and stop what they're doing, so that the likes of you can feel apeased.

Oh and by the way, try not demanding things that aren't rightfully yours... show them some respect, if you're familiar with the term.


The patch will be out when it's ready, i suggest you keep occupied with RC01.

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 01:29 PM
tolwyn.com wrote:
- Wrong, Phat Phil.
-
- You paid 49 Euro for 1.0 FB.
-
- That came out last year.
-
- There was never a guarantee you'd get more than
- that.
- So take your entitlistic, unappreciative attitude
- somewhere else, like back to your bedroom.
-
- What is your baby sitter THINKING letting you on the
- computer at this hour?
-
-


Pwned. lol

Ham_Tyler - the amazing human lawndart!

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 09:26 PM
You guys are really funny!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

To people (???) like Tolwyn and Hero (wut a joke!!), its guys like you, who have never heard of FREEDOM of speech and THOUGHT, really damage the community.

Yes, I have written to UBI soft about the patch and was refered to this forum!!

The difference between a patch and a update is just a word.
Updates don't fix bugs in the game.

Still, I find this game the BEST Flight Sim around, and will support Oleg Maddox and his crew by purchasing any future addons and new Sims as long as they are up to the standards that he is known for.

I think it is really sad that guys like this Tolwyn and Hero don't respect anyone else's opinion but their own.

The Nazi's and and the religious fanatics today are just like these two.


Nuff said. Flame away!!!

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 10:19 PM
Blah blah blah...fight fight fight! Seriously.

My opinion? I'm somewhere in between the "I have the right to patches" and the "They don't owe us schmucks a thing" viewpoints. That is to say, I don't believe anyone involved with Il-2 is somehow obligated to fix its bugs, but if they don't it would be a serious market loss. So the devs want to fix the bugs because they want to improve on their original brainchild, the pubs want patches because it keeps customers happy, and the world survives.

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XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 11:37 PM
Bugs? Perhaps *cough* Strike Fighters
Show Stoppers? Definately.

Add-ons?
Uh. No.

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 12:51 AM
Phatt_Phill wrote:
- You guys are really funny!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
-
= Bla Bla Bla
=
= then some more Bla Bla Bla
=
= but then...
=
- The Nazi's and and the religious fanatics today are
- just like these two.
-
-
- Nuff said. Flame away!!!
-
-
-
Well what the heck do you think you can say here....
Don't you have ANY shame in you ???
Go back to your police state East of my border and stay away from decent people please...
And don't bother UBI or 1C:Maddox or Oleg - They are HARD AT WORK giving us a FREE ADD-ON ... and then some !
Now I myself pay more in one month for my internet connection than I did for il2FB... just so I can play it !
And you are demanding ??? WITH WHAT RIGHT ??? NONE I SAY!




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11-19-2003, 01:01 AM
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XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 02:22 AM
I posted this on another thread where people were whining about paying for add-ons, etc. Thought is should go here too. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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IVJG51_Dart Wrote:

Yeah I've seen the posts where people complain like crazy with any mention of a paid add-on. Cracks me up. The larger portion of this community doesn't seem to appreciate the efforts of this development crew and what they've actually given us - the best WWII online (or offline) sim that has ever come down the pike, with continual support, free patches and upgrades and the occasional paid add-on for a meager $40.00 (same price for the game itself). That, my fellow flight sim junkies, is a PHENOMENAL deal any way you cut it, period!!

I (as does most of my squad) come from years of flying over in Warbirds, the granddaddy of online sims and next to AirWarrior, are THE pioneers of multiplayer WWII simming. They have the same thing over there, patches, upgrades, new add-ons of planes, etc. However the difference is you pay $25.00 per month for that! Or, as in my case you started flying with them before it was flat rate per month and paid $9.99 per month PLUS $2.00 an HOUR for the pleasure of virtually flying these birds! So everyone, take a look at those numbers and then take a deep breath and realize what a wonderful sim Oleg and Co have provided us. We've got the most cutting edge sim of its kind ever, and to be asked to purchase an add-on now and then is nothing when you look at all that we get from it. And after all, they DO have to make some money. It's called capitalism.
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As to bugs in these sims, if what you say is true Phat Phil about your having been flying sims since the C-64 days, then you of all people should know that bugs are part and parcel of this genre.

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XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 05:32 AM
@ Phil:

To put it simply, yet very bluntly...


If it were in my power, your freedom of speech would be torn from your fingers, and I'd have you locked up.

Sorry, but where do you get off DEMANDING something from someone who.. oh wait.. owes you NOT A DAMN THING.


Take you're trolling elsewhere, honestly.

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 08:27 AM
Troll busters

Troll busters

Who you gonna call?

TROLL BUSTERS

This was a fun thread ... Phil? Phiiiiiil ... come back. We're starved for entertainment here :-(

OC

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 09:49 AM
Hey,
don't you all think we'd better try to supply Oleg with some kind of a synthetic bugs list or wishlist for the next add-on/patch to be released instead of insulting each other?
I thought this forum was concerned with FM or DM discussions?
Besides, I think you Oleg are somehow responsible for this kind of lane crossing.
We all know you must be damned busy, but try to drop a line sometimes, so we don't have the felling we all talk to a wall...
A few words once in a while, not only to give instructions on how to report problems, could be great pain relievers.
You have managed to create a great community around your games, thousands of guys around the world who play your games and who are eager to help you making them even better.
It's a rather rare occurence, and a wealth of information.
Use it !

AFAIK, we all share the same goal: a better FB.
Isn't it a reason good enough to stop sterile debates about who owes what to whom?

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 10:50 AM
LOL.lots of New trol......whoops sorry posters in here 99%of this thread should be moderated and the original question answered without ****ging off Oleg and his team,they do a brilliant job.If you can find a better flight sim and community and back up i suggest you tell us all where LOL

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 06:48 PM
Message to Trolls:

Time to change your tactics. You're all starting to sound the same no matter how many times you change your name.

If you're posting on behalf of a competitor ...

... go back and tell them to work harder and code a better flight sim. IL-2 Sturmovik doesn't really need a defense because the quality speaks for itself.

If you're posting for entertainment value and to stir things up, it appears you're only succeeding in sharpening the arguments of those who have more experience with FB ... not saying I'm one of them .. I'm a newbie myself.

If you're dissatisfied with FB, post a respectful message stating the facts clearly and you'll be answered respectfully by FB vets. who know their stuff.

If you need a life ... get one.

OC

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 08:19 PM
OH, the pain, the pain!!!

I just love it when people say "You have now right to demand anything!!"

Right, I didn't demand anything. And I STAND behind my comments about Nazi's and all the other nuts.

You children make me sick. No wonder the world is a piece of crap these days.

Oh, and about having a life, mine is probably much better than yours is anyway little boy.

I have a strange felling that Ubisoft may turn into the next Microsuxs and milk us for our money.

Again Mr.Maddox, I like your game and will continue to purchase your excellent product. Keep up the good work.

And to all the IQ slugs, we have a saying in Good Old Germany::

Leck Mich!!!!


Regards,

Your Worst Nightmare

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 08:23 PM
Phatt_Phill wrote:
- OH, the pain, the pain!!!
-
- I just love it when people say "You have now right
- to demand anything!!"
-
- Right, I didn't demand anything. And I STAND behind
- my comments about Nazi's and all the other nuts.
-
- You children make me sick. No wonder the world is a
- piece of crap these days.
-
- Oh, and about having a life, mine is probably much
- better than yours is anyway little boy.
-
- I have a strange felling that Ubisoft may turn into
- the next Microsuxs and milk us for our money.
-
- Again Mr.Maddox, I like your game and will continue
- to purchase your excellent product. Keep up the good
- work.
-
- And to all the IQ slugs, we have a saying in Good
- Old Germany::
-
- Leck Mich!!!!


BYE PRAT
-
-
- Regards,
-
- Your Worst Nightmare

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XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 08:53 PM
Maybe the most important question is: If I had it to do all over again, would I purchase FB ? Hell Yes !

Yep, I'm anxious to recieve the 1.2 update but more importantly I have the patients to wait until the Dev Team completes their work.

And I'm in NO HURRY for that add-on CD either. Let that drag on until spring or summer 2004 because.......many people are scrampling to complete projects and have them included in what would be an enhanced add-on.

Mtn.

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 10:50 PM
VOL_Mountain wrote:
- Maybe the most important question is: If I had it
- to do all over again, would I purchase FB ? Hell
- Yes !


Ditto, VOL_Mountain ... in fact I bought copies for my friends BEFORE the price came down and neither they nor I regret it. Addons? Patches? That's all peripheral to the real fun.

Like many pioneer artists of the past, Oleg and Team are the targets of ill-mannered criticism. 1C has proven that they will listen to objective criticism if it's presented respectfully through the proper channels but this tripe being posted by these hotheads is unproductive to say the least. It would be interesting to learn the true motives behind these rants ... if there are any.

We have a saying in good old Canada ...

...

...

... just a minute, it'll come to me.

OC

XyZspineZyX
11-20-2003, 01:33 AM
VOL_Mountain wrote:
----
- Yep, I'm anxious to recieve the 1.2 update but more
- importantly I have the patients to wait until the
- Dev Team completes their work.
-
- And I'm in NO HURRY for that add-on CD either. Let
- that drag on until spring or summer 2004
- because.......many people are scrampling to complete
- projects and have them included in what would be an
- enhanced add-on.
-
- Mtn.
-


Fully agree to that ! - make it GOOD Oleg and dont mind the mindless! And thanks for ALL you did so far! (to the team and the third-party people too)

Thank you guys, and remember: NO MORE LEAK (for I can't help myself - have to have ya know) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
11-20-2003, 08:26 AM
I bought the second IL2FB because the first had free add on planes with it. I figured the second would also had add on planes. I think this keeps the game fresh and fun. I know there is no promise about patches and add ons but you come to expect things from a company that you have bought from before. I have become unsatisfied with Microsoft products, at least their flight sim products, so I will most likely not purcase them any more. The same goes for the new rail road tycoon series. It was full of bugs and would'nt run on my system at first I had to send numerous E-Mails to their customer suport before the problem was soulved. Back to Ubi and Madox I have been impressed with their product so far and if Mr. Maddox makes an add on or a new combat flight sim I will buy it.
So you are right the customer is king but remember to support a good product when one is offered. The same holds true if one is not dont keep buying to see if they got it right this time.


Keep up the good work Mr. Maddox and team!!!

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Thankya Thankya very much
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XyZspineZyX
11-20-2003, 11:23 AM
Phatt_Phill wrote:

- Right, I didn't demand anything. And I STAND behind
- my comments about Nazi's and all the other nuts.


I surely hope you're not talking about the German pilots in WWII... because they sure as hell weren't all (a very VERY small minority were, if any) Nazi, and saying such a thing is insulting to this community, and well.. yourself as you are "German".

XyZspineZyX
11-20-2003, 02:33 PM
VOL_Mountain wrote:
- Maybe the most important question is: If I had it
- to do all over again, would I purchase FB ? Hell
- Yes !
-
- Yep, I'm anxious to recieve the 1.2 update but more
- importantly I have the patients to wait until the
- Dev Team completes their work.
-
- And I'm in NO HURRY for that add-on CD either. Let
- that drag on until spring or summer 2004
- because.......many people are scrampling to complete
- projects and have them included in what would be an
- enhanced add-on.
-
- Mtn.
-
-

Yes, me too, although only because I now know the first patch was delivered. Had the original game not been patched, I'd have to say I wouldn't buy it over again. Knowing a product is likely to be supported does play a part in deciding how I part with my money.

I did feel that the original patch was, in some sense, 'owed' to us, so that all aspects of the game would function adequately. However, I'm now very happy with FB and regard anything else as a bonus, so I'm quite content to let them take their time over delivery of 1.2, if that's what it takes to 'get it right.'

Of course, they don't give away these patches entirely for 'free,' because they are ensuring my interest in future products. So, not exactly free, more like enlightened - and very welcome - self interest.

Now, come on Phaat Phil, get off the fence, what do you really think /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-20-2003, 05:52 PM
Phil, that was the best you could do to try to gain back some credibility from your initial ridiculous post?

My worst pathetic nightmare, maybe.
Haben Sie keine Idee? And I'm even being polite there.

XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 11:38 AM
Ok fellas enough,

I may not have any weight here as a moderator, but I feel that these personal attacks between everyone are counterproductive. People have opinions and people may flame because of those opinions, Let us try to keep it off these boards and make this post a little more productive.

That is just putting it nicely http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Shall we go on for the more direct approach?


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XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 05:17 PM
Phatt_Phill wrote:
- OH, the pain, the pain!!!
- I just love it when people say "You have now right
- to demand anything!!"
- Right, I didn't demand anything. And I STAND behind
- my comments about Nazi's and all the other nuts.
- You children make me sick. No wonder the world is a
- piece of crap these days.
- Oh, and about having a life, mine is probably much
- better than yours is anyway little boy.
- I have a strange felling that Ubisoft may turn into
- the next Microsuxs and milk us for our money.
- Again Mr.Maddox, I like your game and will continue
- to purchase your excellent product. Keep up the good
- work.
- And to all the IQ slugs, we have a saying in Good
- Old Germany::
-
- Leck Mich!!!!
--
- Regards,
- Your Worst Nightmare



I just read throught this thread, and regardless of my personal opinion of the issue, Phil, you have lost any credibility you may have brought to your issue with your juvenille behavior.

Just for the record, my opinion is that we pay our "hard earned" money for the initial release of the game. The intital release was very good, and I was very satisfied with my purchase overall. 1C continue to stay involved with the enjoyment of their product by providing us with corrections, update, and additions. They are under no obligation to do so, and I thank them for their efforts. Its a very smart business practice, and it makes for a stronger, happier, and larger client base for future products that they will introduce.

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XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 07:50 PM
No Hero, I mean the people who do not like it when you have a different opinon than them. I know most WW2 Luftwaffe pilots were and are not Nazi's. As a matter of fact, I know a few real Live pilots from that time. Really good men they are.

And yes, I think most people expect a free addon, since we got 2 (?) with the original IL2 game. I know nuttin was promised by anyone.

And if you read the posts, I didn't start the personnal attacks, I just did not like that childish remark about a babysitter from that one guy, then I just went a little haywire.

If any one out there other that that one dude was offended, I am sorry. To the one guy who in my opinon started the mud-throwing, one day you may regret your actions.


Your worst Nightmare.

XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 08:21 PM
Phatt_Phill wrote:
- If any one out there other that that one dude was
- offended, I am sorry. To the one guy who in my
- opinon started the mud-throwing, one day you may
- regret your actions.



*shakes head*


Threats, especially ones made on a forum, are not only weak, but they are childish. You keep digging your own hole for lack of credibility.

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XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 08:29 PM
No wonder that oleg is sledom seen here, with the attitude displayed by many.

a soft voice is always more effective than a rant, whether you are making a complaint, or dressing down a whinner.

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XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 08:51 PM
i have to agree with Crash man.

also how did you manage to finish reading this thread without getting board half to death Crash?

XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 09:45 PM
Phatt Phil,

That will not fly here. I suggest you stop now while your ahead.


To everyone else in this thread, I suggest this: Ignore the mudflying and move on. I am going to ask Humter to Lock this thread, because it servs no productivity.


Hunter your thoughts?


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XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 09:52 PM
What threat??

When someone finds out they are wrong, they normaly regret their actions. Plain and simple, no threat made.

Oh, and I will always stand behind my comments. Remember, none of you guys own this forum.

Freedom of speech and thought belongs to everybody, not just the few.


Your worst Nightmare.

XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 11:31 PM
Maple_Tiger wrote:
- i have to agree with Crash man.
-
- also how did you manage to finish reading this
- thread without getting board half to death Crash?


I'm already half dead from work. I refuse to let this thread do me in! lol



Viper - Phil hasn't been ahead yet. He had a valid opinion, but he ruined it by speaking.



And Phil, your previous comments that I pointed out sounded like a veiled threat. You may not have intended them to, but they did. Which only goes to prove my point that you are digging your own hole with your words.
Yes, you are entitled to your speech and thought. No one is trying to take those away from you, Mr. Paranoid. But a majority of the people in here disagree with your opinion, and mostly with your method of voicing it. In short, you are acting like an as$hat. SO stop fighting it. Just accept that most aren't agreeing with you and move on. Name calling and immature attempts at insults is like pis$ing in the wind for you. You just ain't gonna accomplish anything positive.


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XyZspineZyX
11-23-2003, 02:06 AM
IBTL ... just this once? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ---> edited smiley ... because I'm a noob.

Phatt_Phill wrote:
"none of you guys own this forum. "

uhhhh I think UBI owns the forum ...

Here come the mods. Here come the mods.

OC

I'm a noob. You can call me Al.



Message Edited on 11/23/0301:07AM by Old_Canuck

XyZspineZyX
11-23-2003, 02:18 AM
Phatt_Phill wrote:
- After reading many of these post in this forum, I
- think most of you good people are DEAD WRONG!!!

That's the worst I could find in Phill's original post. Wow, really offensive that, eh? He thinks you're wrong. No real harm there, surely?

And in reply:

"What is your baby sitter THINKING letting you on the computer at this hour?"

Bearing in mind that this is a free add-on we're awaiting, and not a patch to fix problems, I can't agree with Phill's position, but I thought the real mud started flying with the 'holier than thou' responses to his first post.

So, he went over the top with some of his replies after that. Frankly, what did you expect given the responses he got?

Phill:

Don't resort to talking bollox /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Don't let the 'thought police' grind you down.





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XyZspineZyX
11-23-2003, 02:55 AM
The only reason I want the patch is because each server on HL seems to be using a different version and it's annoying having to change the files around just to get a game.

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