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Xiolablu3
10-04-2008, 05:06 AM
http://valkyrie.unitedartists.com/

Its by the usual suspects director so it must SURELY be good, thats one of the best films of all time for sure.

Mr_Zooly
10-04-2008, 05:48 AM
he was injured when his column was attacked by Spitfires, but it shows P40s?!?!

Kurfurst__
10-04-2008, 05:49 AM
The gear and vehicles of soldiers look good and authentic. And it has Bill Nighy. It may be even good, though I fear for the Hollywood effect..

Benjamin_Dover
10-04-2008, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
The gear and vehicles of soldiers look good and authentic. And it has Bill Nighy. It may be even good, though I fear for the Hollywood effect..

You mean the Hollywood propaganda promoting the idea that
that the Third Reich actuslly lost the war?

Ben

b2spirita
10-04-2008, 06:58 AM
Does look good, what was the name of the guy it was based on?

Xiolablu3
10-04-2008, 07:25 AM
Claus VOn Stauffenburg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Schenk_von_Stauffenberg

M_Gunz
10-04-2008, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by Benjamin_Dover:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
The gear and vehicles of soldiers look good and authentic. And it has Bill Nighy. It may be even good, though I fear for the Hollywood effect..

You mean the Hollywood propaganda promoting the idea that
that the Third Reich actuslly lost the war?

Ben </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's HOW they lost. Generally beaten by two guys who are after the same girl.

BTW, welcome back Mr. Original.

Xiolablu3
10-04-2008, 09:51 AM
Well spotted that man, Max - I didnt notice it myself. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


Have we found a lesser spotted Sergio?>

Boosher
10-04-2008, 10:31 AM
I think I may go see this one. Although I don't quite trust Mr. Cruise, he may have pulled something off here. We don't know until we see it.

Skoshi Tiger
10-04-2008, 10:31 AM
Looks good but did I detect a touch of Bavarian accent in Tom's voice?

Mr_Zooly
10-04-2008, 12:59 PM
SSHHH Tiny Tom might get his alien friends to 'take care of you' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

HuninMunin
10-04-2008, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Claus VOn Stauffenburg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Schenk_von_Stauffenberg

Ahem.

M_Gunz
10-04-2008, 02:32 PM
Uh ohhh, TC? No way. I don't fund scientology.

Xiolablu3
10-04-2008, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by HuninMunin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Claus VOn Stauffenburg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Schenk_von_Stauffenberg

Ahem. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

??? COnfused me Hunin....

Mr_Zooly
10-04-2008, 03:59 PM
I'm with Xiolablu..
HUUH?

HuninMunin
10-04-2008, 04:46 PM
Just playing devil's advocat. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Compare Xio's line with the link ( wich features the real name ).
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

PS
I'm not beeing a pain, it's just that in german both Berg and Burg make sense and it substantialy changes the whole name. http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

Xiolablu3
10-05-2008, 10:36 AM
Oops didnt notice that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tranie117
10-05-2008, 02:26 PM
No Chuck Norris?

Vipez-
10-06-2008, 07:35 AM
The movie looks quite good according to the trailer.

But have to wait for the final version, trailers can be very deceiving (especially if Tom Cruise is involved http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).

Looks like they have a real Panzer IV on the movie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif .. Not M-60 pattons as german panzers this time. Probably borrowed from Syrian army http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

M_Gunz
10-06-2008, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by Tranie117:
No Chuck Norris?

It might be funny hearing what he thinks of TC.

Enforcer572005
10-06-2008, 09:36 AM
Regardless of his odd religion, he does make some good movies at times. Anyone remember Top Gun? Yeah, I know it was a bit corny, but it was pretty good and and made Americans aware that there was a pretty dangerous job some guys known as naval aviators did on a daily basis.

I'm glad one of the most courageous soldiers of WW2 has finally come to public attention. The public stereotype of all WW2 era Germans as Nazis needs to be addressed.

So does the fact that so little is taught of WW2 in American public schools, especially about Hitler and how he got a country to give up all signs of liberty and due process just because it made people feel better.....oops, kinda like the trend Americans tend to lean towards now that don't understand how law works here.

thanx for posting this.

M_Gunz
10-06-2008, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
oops, kinda like the trend Americans tend to lean towards now that don't understand how law works here.

You mean pack the courts until the Judicial is politicised enough to vote "right"?

Scientology is not a true religion. It was invented by a sci-fi writer who wanted to get rich.
It's amoral in the extreme, get the money for the next level and how doesn't matter at all.

They have a huge base of suckers who don't get even that, they just want to become ETs.
Gee, I wonder where the main operation is?

Xiolablu3
10-06-2008, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by Vipez-:


Looks like they have a real Panzer IV on the movie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif .. Not M-60 pattons as german panzers this time. Probably borrowed from Syrian army http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Yeah I was impressed by that.

Also the 109 in the background of one shot, and the Ju52.

GreyFox5
10-06-2008, 12:14 PM
I wonder if these are CG planes or they had real examples in the movie?

WTE_Galway
10-06-2008, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Benjamin_Dover:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
The gear and vehicles of soldiers look good and authentic. And it has Bill Nighy. It may be even good, though I fear for the Hollywood effect..

You mean the Hollywood propaganda promoting the idea that
that the Third Reich actuslly lost the war?

Ben </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's HOW they lost. Generally beaten by two guys who are after the same girl. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Usually also two all American boys straight from the farm who, despite lack of experience, manage somehow through sheer grit, determination, decent honest values and good old American know how defeat an entire company of eastern front veteran SS Tiger tanks who are evil and cheat. (probably by firing the 0.50 cal on their jeep at the ground and bouncing the bullets up underneath the tanks).

Though in Hollywood's defense it should be mentioned that "Dark Blue World" is Czech and yet also features the Third Reich being defeated by two guys who are after the same girl.

Xiolablu3
10-06-2008, 09:38 PM
Hehe, funny stuff.

I dont mean to bash hollywood too much, they do make some good films, however I will point out why I think Dark Blue world is a class above MOST Hollywood films....

It shows that the Czech guys have many more scr*w-ups than successes. They didnt just turn up and win the war, they had hard lessons to learn.

One almost dies on his first sortie, gets a single kill and then crashes into the sea when blowing up a dingy, not exactly a dashing or brave way to go, more stupid and careless, but likely very realistic - accidents happened.... The other main character totally ignores the Me109 fighter escort and gets his flight shot up by being to eager to attack the bombers without support.

Another is too scared to fly and dies when he finally sums up the courage (shades of 'Aces High' here).

Also it shows that the Allies SOMETIMES MISSED when shooting. Sounds hilarious, but watch most hollywood movies, the Allies have like a 90% hit rate, whereas the Germans cannot hit sh*t. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Much more gritty and realistic movie.

M_Gunz
10-07-2008, 03:01 AM
Well, this was witnessed as true by many at the time. (http://www.audiemurphy.com/citation.htm)

And there was a movie that doubtless made in Hollywood and starred Audie Murphy as himself.
I'm sure there are those who say no way, it's propaganda, etc.
Sorry but there were too many witnesses to this, take your cookies and go home.

Sometimes reality is more fantastic than fantasy tries to be.


With the enemy tanks abreast of his position, 2d Lt. Murphy climbed on the burning tank destroyer, which was in danger of blowing up at any moment, and employed its .50 caliber machine gun against the enemy. He was alone and exposed to German fire from 3 sides, but his deadly fire killed dozens of Germans and caused their infantry attack to waver. The enemy tanks, losing infantry support, began to fall back. For an hour the Germans tried every available weapon to eliminate 2d Lt. Murphy, but he continued to hold his position and wiped out a squad which was trying to creep up unnoticed on his right flank. Germans reached as close as 10 yards, only to be mowed down by his fire. He received a leg wound, but ignored it and continued the single-handed fight until his ammunition was exhausted. He then made his way to his company, refused medical attention, and organized the company in a counterattack which forced the Germans to withdraw.

He was just the wrong guy to p1$$ off that day.

P.FunkAdelic
10-07-2008, 03:29 AM
The movie actually looks fantastic if not for Tom Cruise. I mean really, he doesn't sound that German to me. Not even British, the usual stand in for German accents in english speaking movies (along with Roman and Ancient Greek).

He probably does a fair job. But I'd probably guess that with Kenneth Branagh opposite you'll realize the difference in depth of acting.

I'd just as soon see Johnney Depp in that role and he'd be better I'll bet. Daniel Craig would be great in that role too, he has such an evil stare.

Probably a better than average WW2 flick. Better than U-571, not nearly as good as Das Boot. Or probably marginally better than Saving Private Ryan, not approaching Band of Brothers.

Blutarski2004
10-07-2008, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by P.FunkAdelic:
The movie actually looks fantastic if not for Tom Cruise. I mean really, he doesn't sound that German to me. Not even British, the usual stand in for German accents in english speaking movies (along with Roman and Ancient Greek).

He probably does a fair job. But I'd probably guess that with Kenneth Branagh opposite you'll realize the difference in depth of acting.

I'd just as soon see Johnney Depp in that role and he'd be better I'll bet. Daniel Craig would be great in that role too, he has such an evil stare.

Probably a better than average WW2 flick. Better than U-571, not nearly as good as Das Boot. Or probably marginally better than Saving Private Ryan, not approaching Band of Brothers.


..... "1941" was more realistic than "U-571".

Blutarski2004
10-07-2008, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by P.FunkAdelic:
... I'd probably guess that with Kenneth Branagh opposite you'll realize the difference in depth of acting.

..... Foxhole versus Grand Canyon.




I'd just as soon see Johnney Depp in that role and he'd be better I'll bet.

..... Agree 100 pct. Depp is IMO one of the best American actors working today.

Blutarski2004
10-07-2008, 06:41 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Well, this was witnessed as true by many at the time. (http://www.audiemurphy.com/citation.htm)

And there was a movie that doubtless made in Hollywood and starred Audie Murphy as himself.
I'm sure there are those who say no way, it's propaganda, etc.
Sorry but there were too many witnesses to this, take your cookies and go home.

Sometimes reality is more fantastic than fantasy tries to be.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">With the enemy tanks abreast of his position, 2d Lt. Murphy climbed on the burning tank destroyer, which was in danger of blowing up at any moment, and employed its .50 caliber machine gun against the enemy. He was alone and exposed to German fire from 3 sides, but his deadly fire killed dozens of Germans and caused their infantry attack to waver. The enemy tanks, losing infantry support, began to fall back. For an hour the Germans tried every available weapon to eliminate 2d Lt. Murphy, but he continued to hold his position and wiped out a squad which was trying to creep up unnoticed on his right flank. Germans reached as close as 10 yards, only to be mowed down by his fire. He received a leg wound, but ignored it and continued the single-handed fight until his ammunition was exhausted. He then made his way to his company, refused medical attention, and organized the company in a counterattack which forced the Germans to withdraw.

He was just the wrong guy to p1$$ off that day. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Like I've been saying all along, the 50cal won the war.

Xiolablu3
10-07-2008, 07:56 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Well, this was witnessed as true by many at the time. (http://www.audiemurphy.com/citation.htm)

Sometimes reality is more fantastic than fantasy tries to be.

.

Oh I totlly agree, heres another crazy true story which sounds far fetched...

Major Cain at Arnhem...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Henry_Cain

'.........Cain appeared to have developed an intense loathing of tanks after the bitter experiences of his Battalion on Tuesday 19th, and he personally saw to it that as many were destroyed as possible. If ever armour approached then he would grab the nearest PIAT and set out to deal with it himself. On one occasion, two Tiger tanks approached the South Staffords position, and Cain lay in wait in a slit trench while Lieutenant Ian Meikle of the Light Regiment gave him bearings from a house above him. The first tank fired at the house and killed Meikle, while the chimney collapsed and almost fell on top of Major Cain. He still held his position until it was 100 yards away, whereupon he fired at it. The tank immediately returned fire with its machinegun and wounded Cain, who took refuge in a nearby shed from where he fired another round, which exploded beneath the tank and disabled it. The crew abandoned the vehicle but all were gunned down as they bailed out. Cain fired at the second tank, but the bomb was faulty and exploded directly in front of him. It blew him off his feet and left him blind with metal fragments in his blackened face. As his men dragged him off, Cain recalls yelling like a hooligan and calling for somebody to get hold of the PIAT and deal with the tank. One of the Light Regiment's 6lber guns was brought forward and it blew the tank apart.

Half an hour later though, Cain's sight returned, and against doctor's advice he refused to stay with the wounded and declared himself fit for duty. He also refused morphia (which was in very short supply) to ease the pain he had. Instead he armed himself with another PIAT and went in search of tanks, frequently alone. Tigers continued to harass the Lonsdale Force, and upon hearing that one was in the area, Major Cain raced out to an anti-tank gun and began to drag it into position. A gunner saw him and ran over to assist, and the two men succeeded in disabling it. Cain wanted to fire another shot to make sure that it was finished off, but the gunner informed him that the blast had destroyed the gun's recoil mechanism and it could no longer fire.

On Friday 22nd, his eardrums burst from his constant firing, but he continued to take on any tanks he encountered, contenting himself with merely stuffing pieces of field dressing into his ears. Nevertheless he never ceased to urge his men on, and was seen by his driver, Private Grainger, giving a man his last cigarette.

Monday 25th saw very heavy fighting in the area occupied by the Lonsdale Force. Self-propelled guns, flame thrower tanks, and infantry took great interest in Cain's position. By this time there were no more PIAT's available to the Major. Undeterred, he armed himself with a two inch mortar (which at times he was holding off the ground in an almost horizontal position because incoming Germans were so close) and added further trophies to his collection, while his brilliant leadership ensured that the South Staffords gave no ground and drove the enemy off in complete disorder. By the end of the Battle, Cain had been responsible for the destruction or disabling of six tanks, four of which were Tigers, as well as a number of self-propelled guns..............'


Jermemy Clarkson, who married his daughter, made a very good documentary about Major Cain.

Oh and he never told his family that he had won a VC. They didnt find out until after he had died.

P.FunkAdelic
10-07-2008, 09:23 AM
Burst eardrums, I guess AT gunners back then didn't stuff cotton until after they were deaf... silly boys.

Xiolablu3
10-07-2008, 09:30 AM
He wasnt an AT gunner, he was a Major. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

M_Gunz
10-07-2008, 09:44 AM
If you're ever stuck needing earplugs, filters off unused cigarettes work just fine.
Been there, done it, last time was at the one and only Styx concert I went to in 78.

Xiolablu3
10-07-2008, 10:11 AM
Max, you have email.

Did that disc arrive yet?

R_Target
10-07-2008, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
..... "1941" was more realistic than "U-571".

"Transformers" was more realistic than "U-571". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

HuninMunin
10-07-2008, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by R_Target:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
..... "1941" was more realistic than "U-571".

"Transformers" was more realistic than "U-571". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Word.


Originaly posted by GreyFox5:
I wonder if these are CG planes or they had real examples in the movie?

Both the Jus and the 109 are real.