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Recon_609IAP
05-02-2005, 03:49 PM
Hey guys, i came across this offer today: https://magnum-pc.securewebsiteserver.net/product_info.php?products_id=667&osCsid=0d03a603e02018068d05f845e8c84792


Which is pretty cheap IMO, at least i couldn`t find anything that would be cheaper for this type of card.

But, i am not sure if it really worth it to blow 445 bucks. Currently i own 9800PRO. I'd like to pump out some even better performance

However, I want to get some great frames and plus I'll be ready for the future patches, new maps, BoB, etc...

Any comments?

BuzzU
05-02-2005, 04:13 PM
I went from a 9800XT to a 6800GT, and saw a good increase. Then I went from the 6800 to a X800XT PE, and saw another increase. Going from the 9800 to the X800 would have been even better. It's a good card. Looks good, and good fps in perfect mode.

I'm not so sure it will last all the way to BOB though. I plan on upgrading again for BOB.

crazyivan1970
05-02-2005, 04:16 PM
mmmmm, tempting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Chivas
05-02-2005, 04:21 PM
Hi Recon

I had the ATI 9800Pro 256 and upgraded to the Nvidia 6800GT OC so that I could run with Perfect water=3. I also recieved a nice increase in frame rates. If your not interested in water=3 by all means buy the ATI card as its one of the fastest cards on the market. Although I don't think its that much faster than the 6800GT OC from BFG. I think it would worth your while to investigate this card.

Salute~ Chivas

Hunter82
05-02-2005, 04:33 PM
Hey guys.. just a FYI we also have the Gigabyte XT PE for $445...limited time offer until I blow through my current stock of these. BFG 6800 GT's and XFX 6800 GT's. Not a sales pitch just a update for those who are looking

https://magnum-pc.securewebsiteserver.net/product_info.php?products_id=486&osCsid=0d03a603e02018068d05f845e8c84792


BTW for those who do not know I own and operate Magnum PC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BuzzU
05-02-2005, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Chivas:
Hi Recon

I had the ATI 9800Pro 256 and upgraded to the Nvidia 6800GT OC so that I could run with Perfect water=3. I also recieved a nice increase in frame rates. If your not interested in water=3 by all means buy the ATI card as its one of the fastest cards on the market. Although I don't think its that much faster than the 6800GT OC from BFG. I think it would worth your while to investigate this card.

Salute~ Chivas

It's hard to believe anybody can run water3 with good fps. What's the rest of your system?

crazyivan1970
05-02-2005, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Hunter82:
BTW for those who do not know I own and operate Magnum PC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Really...wow, dude that`s @$@#$$ awesome http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Can i be your friend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

BuzzU
05-02-2005, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hunter82:
BTW for those who do not know I own and operate Magnum PC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Really...wow, dude that`s @$@#$$ awesome http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Can i be your friend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Is this the true Ivan? We need more of him.

Chivas
05-02-2005, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by BuzzU:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chivas:
Hi Recon

I had the ATI 9800Pro 256 and upgraded to the Nvidia 6800GT OC so that I could run with Perfect water=3. I also recieved a nice increase in frame rates. If your not interested in water=3 by all means buy the ATI card as its one of the fastest cards on the market. Although I don't think its that much faster than the 6800GT OC from BFG. I think it would worth your while to investigate this card.

Salute~ Chivas

It's hard to believe anybody can run water3 with good fps. What's the rest of your system? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

AMD64 3800+
Nvidia BFG6800GT OC
2 gigs of ram 2.2.2.5 timings
MSI K8N Neo2 nforce 3 Ultra chipset
MultiSync FP2141sb 22"

1024X768
AA 2XQ
AF off
Running Perfect with water=3

Looks and runs great

Black Death Track fps High 65 AV 47 Low 15
Ki61 vs B24 Track fps High 150 AV 67 Low 26

Even higher if I overclock my system

crazyivan1970
05-02-2005, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by BuzzU:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hunter82:
BTW for those who do not know I own and operate Magnum PC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Really...wow, dude that`s @$@#$$ awesome http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Can i be your friend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Is this the true Ivan? We need more of him. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I made funny didn`t i http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

-HH-Quazi
05-02-2005, 08:14 PM
You can get an X850XT PE for $44 more: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40158&item=5190854002&rd=1

Possibly the last highest end AGP card ATI will offer. Only 6 feedbacks, but at 100% and after reading them, he seems to be doing good business.

SlickStick
05-02-2005, 08:22 PM
Ah, to be able to plunk down $400.00+ for a vid card. I got all excited when I saw a $30.00 rebate tied to the plain 6800 from XFX I've had my eye on, lol.

Newegg has all XFX cards with a rebate. The 6800 I wanted is $199.00 after rebate and nicely within my budget.

Plus, it comes with what looks like all 3 of the Commandos games. One of my favorite series. Great graphics in that series.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Of course, not to distract from your high-faluttin, big spenders thread. Just thought I'd drop a little tug for the medium spending blokes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BuzzU
05-02-2005, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
You can get an X850XT PE for $44 more: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40158&item=5190854002&rd=1

Possibly the last highest end AGP card ATI will offer. Only 6 feedbacks, but at 100% and after reading them, he seems to be doing good business.

Hunter has it for $1.00 more. Who would you rather buy from?

crazyivan1970
05-02-2005, 09:34 PM
Good point Buzz.

-HH-Quazi
05-02-2005, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by BuzzU:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
You can get an X850XT PE for $44 more: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40158&item=5190854002&rd=1

Possibly the last highest end AGP card ATI will offer. Only 6 feedbacks, but at 100% and after reading them, he seems to be doing good business.

Hunter has it for $1.00 more. Who would you rather buy from? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, Hunter mentioned the X800. I didn't even think to check his site for the X850 and I had just ran across that one today.

Of course I would rather purchase from MagnumPC, as I have done so many times this past year. Sorry Hunter. I should have checked your site first. Anything to help promote a m8 that does from this community as you do.

BTW, a Fed-Ex truck came by while I wasn't home the other day inquiring about the 3500 or the Neo2 Platinum that was never delivered and you so kindly took care of for me so I wasn't on the waiting end. He had my 15 yr. old son sign his register for some reason. He caught my son off gaurd and he didn't know how to handle it. I told him he should not have signed anything. If there are still issues and I can be of any assistance, call me m8.

IIKG200Reverend
05-02-2005, 11:52 PM
Wow, excellent timing, Hunter! I was just shopping for an X800XT at Newegg and various other places- I had checked Magnum, but didn't see the sale. Was hesitating to get the PE, as most places sell it for a hundred bucks more than the straight XT unless it's OEM or refurb. Well, now I'm sold on the PE, and you are +1 customer!

ddsflyer
05-03-2005, 01:10 AM
X800XTPE Great card! I have 2 nearly identical systems, one with the X800XTPE and one with the GeForce6800U. I get better FPS and IQ with the X800XTPE especially when the AA and AF are turned on. Only thing it won't do is Water=3 which is a frame killer anyway.

lbhskier37
05-03-2005, 01:43 AM
I don't like raining on things, but I would just like to put in my opinion. IMHO if IL2 is your main game, a 9800 Pro is awesome and much more really isnt needed. You can get a bit better frame rate with a higher end card, but I haven't noticed any improvement in my flying when I switch to excellent mode with my 9800Pro, so I don't feel the framerate boost with running perfect on a x800 series card over the 9800pro would offer any real improvement other than a smoother feel. If I played a lot of other games like HL2 that could really use the performance boost I would really consider a x800 series card. I would really examine the rest of the system before jumping into a new video card. If your not running a top notch 3.6Ghz or better processor, the x800 isnt going to give you the bang for the buck a better cpu would give. Also when considering being ready for BoB, I am pretty confident that a X800 will run BoB about like a Geforce 256 ran IL2. BoB is a long way off, and todays top notch hardware will be old hat by the time BoB comes out. Remember how long it took after FB to come out before even the top end hardware would run it on perfect? Any shopping for hardware now in hopes of being ready for BoB would be much better spent on saving until the game is out or even close. Again, I'm not trying to threadcrap, this is just my opinion.

Hunter82
05-03-2005, 04:44 AM
While I would agree in general terms...the big issue is BoB is a long way off so players who are looking to play nowin the best scenerio for themselves or even other games.

I play COD UO nightly as a stress relief (quick acion team deathmath servers)lol. The X800 XT PE I run at 1600 X 1200 with AA and AF of 4 X's High quality/High Quality and max in game settings with no issues and it looks great.

I can run Lock On, PF,COD UO, UT 2004 (Red Orchestra), BIA, MOH series all at highest settings... I'm a graphics quality nut and if it doesn't look good I won't play it lol.


Originally posted by lbhskier37:
I don't like raining on things, but I would just like to put in my opinion. IMHO if IL2 is your main game, a 9800 Pro is awesome and much more really isnt needed. You can get a bit better frame rate with a higher end card, but I haven't noticed any improvement in my flying when I switch to excellent mode with my 9800Pro, so I don't feel the framerate boost with running perfect on a x800 series card over the 9800pro would offer any real improvement other than a smoother feel. If I played a lot of other games like HL2 that could really use the performance boost I would really consider a x800 series card. I would really examine the rest of the system before jumping into a new video card. If your not running a top notch 3.6Ghz or better processor, the x800 isnt going to give you the bang for the buck a better cpu would give. Also when considering being ready for BoB, I am pretty confident that a X800 will run BoB about like a Geforce 256 ran IL2. BoB is a long way off, and todays top notch hardware will be old hat by the time BoB comes out. Remember how long it took after FB to come out before even the top end hardware would run it on perfect? Any shopping for hardware now in hopes of being ready for BoB would be much better spent on saving until the game is out or even close. Again, I'm not trying to threadcrap, this is just my opinion.

-HH-Quazi
05-03-2005, 05:45 AM
Originally posted by lbhskier37:
I don't like raining on things, but I would just like to put in my opinion. IMHO if IL2 is your main game, a 9800 Pro is awesome and much more really isnt needed. You can get a bit better frame rate with a higher end card, but I haven't noticed any improvement in my flying when I switch to excellent mode with my 9800Pro, so I don't feel the framerate boost with running perfect on a x800 series card over the 9800pro would offer any real improvement other than a smoother feel. If I played a lot of other games like HL2 that could really use the performance boost I would really consider a x800 series card. I would really examine the rest of the system before jumping into a new video card. If your not running a top notch 3.6Ghz or better processor, the x800 isnt going to give you the bang for the buck a better cpu would give. Also when considering being ready for BoB, I am pretty confident that a X800 will run BoB about like a Geforce 256 ran IL2. BoB is a long way off, and todays top notch hardware will be old hat by the time BoB comes out. Remember how long it took after FB to come out before even the top end hardware would run it on perfect? Any shopping for hardware now in hopes of being ready for BoB would be much better spent on saving until the game is out or even close. Again, I'm not trying to threadcrap, this is just my opinion.

Eh...you know. It is good enough, that is if good enough..is good enough for you. I have witnessed two m8's go from the 9800Pro to the X800 cards and they, like me, were WOW'd! Blown away at the ability to run like Hunter said, graphically, with high frame rates and a smoothness that just isn't there with the 9800Pro. Smoothness you say? Yep, smoothness. And I know it isn't a figment of my imagination as myself and two other m8's I am close to, actually m8's I call friend(s), experienced and commented on the same thing. I guess, again like Hunter, we are graphic nuts. And to have the graphics set to where you are actually amazed and moved at how awesome our virtual IL2 world looks everytime we take off, plus having the fr's to be able to run like this, it's just hard to explain...And hard to justify to other m8's that have never seen it or experienced it as we do in every mission we fly. I will never bash the 9800Pro. And I wouldn't actually mind going back to one as a backup card. But until you have ran an X800Pro or XT PE, you really can't realize or comprehend what I have said here in this post. But, I do agree with your statement that the 9800Pro is good enough to run this game...I would like to add this to the end of that statement...for the average user. And I consider myself an average user because the 9800Pro would be good enough for me if I didn't have this X800XT PE.

BuzzU
05-03-2005, 10:12 AM
I agree that the 9800XT is good enough. I could never play the perfect mode with it, and in FB that wasn't a problem. However, with all the water in PF, being able to run perfect with high fps is a plus. Well worth the money to me. Besides, who plays just one game? That would burn me out.

Udidtoo
05-03-2005, 12:28 PM
Without knowing exactly what you are going to pair the PE XT with no one can give you a concrete answer. I can tell you what my 9800 pro settings were and fps and what my X800 XT PE settings and fps are.

With the 9800 pro I flew at 1024X768 4AA, 2AF Forests at 1, water at 0 and I could keep my fps in the mid to high 30's accept for A.Looking at/flying directly over that shallow green water.B,Looking at/flying directly over masses of palm trees. Or flying something like -HH-Beebops Sink the Yamamoto. That much AAA coming up just was a slide show.

Now I have the X800 XT PE coupled with a Abit IC7-G and a gig of fast Corsair and play with 1152X864 AA at 6, Af at 8, all config setting maxed accept water is 2. We can't have whitecaps with ATI cards I get a kick out of people who always throw that out in these threads. "You can't get water 3 so nah!!", lol. If I could fly whitecaps I might care. My frames rarely drop below 42 accept for.......those same times I decribed above. After a full satuday nights flight with my m8's you end up with an average in the mid to high 50's. If I never looked out over a wing at palm trees or green water it would be much higher.

We are talking about a game engine thats what, almost 4 years old? Now admittedly I'm not at the top level on any of my specs but I'm defo in the higher end and this simms got places that just can't be rendered smoothly and at high FPS if you have your eyecandy settings up.

If they code BoB in the manner in which they coded AEP/PF if we are lucky somewhere around 2010 to 2012 we will have PC's capable of smooth FPS and Eye candy maxed. Until then it will always be a compromise.

If you do decide to get that XT PE I don't think you will regret it. Especially if you play other games. HL 2 fps are only limited by what reso I choose to play in and the Vsynch. Thats with everything completly maxed.Of course flying this is my true love but I can tell you this. In game you don't go from a solid screaming 85 fps and drop to 28 because you looked at a grove of trees or funky shallow water. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


P.S. I forgot to add that as goofy as it sounds the only reason I bother with Forest set at 3 isn't because this card can handle it but for the low leval straffing practice. It adds hundreds of trees that arn't visable when set at 2 but you can fly right through them. Maybe I'm nuts but I practice as if I can't fly thru them. I really hope that someday in BoB we have trees on the entire map that you cannot pass through.
Along with wonder woman view there are few things that ruin my immersion more than watching my wings pass through an Oak tree undamaged. So I act as if they would kill me hoping for the day when we will be forced to make a fireing run with care and pick a route that leaves us well clear of the tress.

crazyivan1970
05-03-2005, 01:50 PM
Looks like Hunter is having sping blowout hehe.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif At least front page says that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SlickStick
05-03-2005, 02:09 PM
Quick off-topic candor:
In all honesty (although I'm not going to make any friends with this), unless Hunter is giving his friends on this board a hefty discount, why would you buy from a small-time site, when the big boys are always many $$$ cheaper?!?

I can understand supporting a friend's business, but there's no way he can match the volume of Newegg or ZipZoomFly and everytime I try to go there to buy, the prices are too expensive for my budget and the exact same items elsewhere are much cheaper.

How does one stay in business this way?!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

crazyivan1970
05-03-2005, 03:12 PM
Ummm, did you look at Newegg or Zipzoom for same items? And yes, i will always support friend, not only because he is my friend. Ever tried to get any kind of tech support from newegg or zipzoom. I can tell you right away, you`ll get none.

Maybe he can`t run along with heavy hitters, but competes very well. Bottom line, me personally, wouldn`t kill myself for 10 bucks of difference knowing that either him or his business partner will do everything they can to get that ps of hardware up and running. That`s what i call support http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SlickStick
05-03-2005, 03:46 PM
I expect his personal support would be much better, but I've never had an issue with Newegg's service either.

Just a quick example of price differences, as I'm already in over my head with this one, the XFX 6800 128MB can be had from Newegg for a Final Cost of $199.00 at the moment with a $30.00 Rebate.

Magnum lists it for $299.99. Even Newegg's regular price is only $234. Now, I understand Magnum can't keep up with the volumes that Newegg and Zip can, but you're saying you'd pay $100.00 extra for a vid card, if you didn't have to?!?

Hmmmm....I like my friends, but I see no need to give them my hard-earned money for nothing, but a little personalized service. Just IMO, of course.

Udidtoo
05-03-2005, 04:23 PM
Slickstick, your points are valid as are those who choose to support him by purchasing a item from Hunter even if its a bit cheaper elsewhere. Personally I would have bought items there just as a way to say thank you for the countless times I have learned something new and valuable from him in tech help.

I have a more basic reason for ordering elswhere and thats laziness on my part. Anytime I see something I am looking to purchase and I get a message that goes something like this ""If your recieving address doesn't match your mailing address.Phone and faxed verification is required from your credit card company"" I skip right on to something else. As do a great many other people like me who live in remote regions. Paying a bit more isn't an issue for me. Jumping through hoops is and I've jumped through those particuler ones enough times that I've had more than my fill of them.

If I lived in a town and had home mail dilivery that matched my shipping address I would spend a few dollers more just because of all the support(which he is in no way obligated to give to so many) he gives in the tech to newcomers and vets alike. Having said as much I respect your reasons for feeling as you do.......lolololol respect. I bet lights and sirens go off somewhere when that word is used in the UBI forums.

SlickStick
05-03-2005, 05:40 PM
Totally understood and valid reasons, Udidtoo. I respect your candor in replying. Reading back, I was kind of out of line making the comparison between online vendors, especially when one of them has done so much for the community.

However, in the case of the 6800, if it was only a "few bucks more", I would certainly go the extra mile to help out a friend or even an internet friend who has given so much, but for $100.00 extra dollars, I'd want him to hand-deliver it, install it and tweak my system, too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hmmm, come to think of it, if that's the kind of service we're talking about, I'll buy it tomorrow. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Hunter82
05-03-2005, 06:12 PM
Actually at times we do those types of things http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hey understood guys.. I'm not looking for people to go out of their way to buy from me....

My main intensions on even people here know about any items are for just those items that I know are cheaper or at least equal in price.....never heard me saying 'hey look at the great price I have on the XFX 6800' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I know the price on some items are **** but that will change in time with more volume and time in business...just don't pass us up over 5-10 bucks because the service is much better than anyone else. And when you do have a problem and 99% will that extra couple dollars will pay down the road.

I tell family members to buy certain items from other people because I can't match on those prices at times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.



Originally posted by SlickStick:
Totally understood and valid reasons, Udidtoo. I respect your candor in replying. Reading back, I was kind of out of line making the comparison between online vendors, especially when one of them has done so much for the community.

However, in the case of the 6800, if it was only a "few bucks more", I would certainly go the extra mile to help out a friend or even an internet friend who has given so much, but for $100.00 extra dollars, I'd want him to hand-deliver it, install it and tweak my system, too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hmmm, come to think of it, if that's the kind of service we're talking about, I'll buy it tomorrow. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SlickStick
05-03-2005, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by Hunter82:
Actually at times we do those types of things http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hey understood guys.. I'm not looking for people to go out of their way to buy from me....

My main intensions on even people here know about any items are for just those items that I know are cheaper or at least equal in price.....never heard me saying 'hey look at the great price I have on the XFX 6800' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I know the price on some items are **** but that will change in time with more volume and time in business...just don't pass us up over 5-10 bucks because the service is much better than anyone else. And when you do have a problem and 99% will that extra couple dollars will pay down the road.

I tell family members to buy certain items from other people because I can't match on those prices at times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
Totally understood and valid reasons, Udidtoo. I respect your candor in replying. Reading back, I was kind of out of line making the comparison between online vendors, especially when one of them has done so much for the community.

However, in the case of the 6800, if it was only a "few bucks more", I would certainly go the extra mile to help out a friend or even an internet friend who has given so much, but for $100.00 extra dollars, I'd want him to hand-deliver it, install it and tweak my system, too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hmmm, come to think of it, if that's the kind of service we're talking about, I'll buy it tomorrow. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, good that you're in NJ then. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

For items that are relatively close, you bet your butt I'd buy from you, Hunter.

I also appreciate your honesty and I wish nothing but success for you and hope that you can grow the business into a mainstream competitor. I'm not poor by any stretch, but must be somewhat thrifty in my PC purchases.

Which is why I've been harping about yesterday's technology in my upgrade quest lately, hehe. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif