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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 05:51 PM
If I'm flying alone, sure, no need for voice comms, obviously, but if you're flying with teammates it's such a great addition to the experience. It brings a feeling of realism, especially if you're calling out vectors properly (zero-nine-zero) and talking as though you're a pilot, rather than just two friends shooting the sh!t.

If you don't yet have voicecomms and you fly with friends, I can only say "Get it"...

BTW, I use TeamSpeak. Anyone found anything better that doesn't drop users as often and doesn't use as much bandwidth? TS is pretty good but suggestions welcome.



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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 05:51 PM
If I'm flying alone, sure, no need for voice comms, obviously, but if you're flying with teammates it's such a great addition to the experience. It brings a feeling of realism, especially if you're calling out vectors properly (zero-nine-zero) and talking as though you're a pilot, rather than just two friends shooting the sh!t.

If you don't yet have voicecomms and you fly with friends, I can only say "Get it"...

BTW, I use TeamSpeak. Anyone found anything better that doesn't drop users as often and doesn't use as much bandwidth? TS is pretty good but suggestions welcome.



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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 05:56 PM
Same here! so far with My TrackIR, MS FFB, GameCommander and Roger Wilco is as close to the real thing I could get in 2003!



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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 06:21 PM
I hope you know you are lagging the server to hell. You can tell the servers that have players with voice comms because the pings look good but the gamplay is choppy.

How can I NOT fly with it? Easy. I haven't used it for over 5 years and haven't had too. It hasn't stopped me from being an ace. I have no desire to talk to some teenager or somebody who sounds like a child molestor while flying online. Plus my neighbors would think I'm crazy.

Well there you have it. Thats how I can NOT use it, and never want to (again).

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 06:30 PM
RBJ, if only you could experience what it is to fly with squadmates and use team tactics. I'm sure even aces did that in WW2.



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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 06:37 PM
I've used Roger Wilco and TeamSpeak. If there are three or more players on coms and working together, their survivability and effectiveness are increased exponentially. Period.



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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 06:39 PM
I use RW. With good m8s it can`t be beat. But watch it if you don`t know the team. That`s where you get silly screaming instead of ordered communications.

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 07:17 PM
Ventrilo is another good voice com. But it's a bandwitdh *****.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 07:54 PM
Voice comms is a great way to ruin your impression of someone. Like somebody could be your friend or a pilot you've known from afar, then you get on voice comms and all the sudden THAT becomes their definition, instead of what you had been imagining. Sure, it can be fun but it is also crossing the line between how "close and comfy" I want to get to people I game with. Someone could be a great friend doesn't mean you have to play drivethrough Mcdonalds with them. (or should ever want to)

Voice comms are for lamers. Just play the game, quit hogging the bandwidth, and tapping your mike when I'm on your six.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 08:01 PM
How in the world is RBJ in these forums still the guy has to be a mod anyone else wouldnt have been banned.


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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 08:05 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- How in the world in RBJ in these forums still the
- guy has to be a mod anyone else wouldnt have been
- banned.

No kidding eh? He comes in, craps all over ANYTHING he chooses not to like for the day, and repeats repeatedly...

RBJ, it IS a step forward in simming realism, as is trackIR. Obviously you shy away from anything that is real and instead, as you confess above, prefer to fly around with a bunch of immature adolescents.





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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 08:17 PM
I agree, RBJ is a complete mystery to me. Sometimes he seems to have 2 personalitys as well.

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 08:49 PM
Hey, I just answered the question. (RE: How can you NOT fly online with voice comms?) I don't use voice comms, and thats how. I respect the purity of the game.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 08:52 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- I hope you know you are lagging the server to hell.
- You can tell the servers that have players with
- voice comms because the pings look good but the
- gamplay is choppy.
-
- How can I NOT fly with it? Easy. I haven't used it
- for over 5 years and haven't had too. It hasn't
- stopped me from being an ace. I have no desire to
- talk to some teenager or somebody who sounds like a
- child molestor while flying online. Plus my
- neighbors would think I'm crazy.
-
- Well there you have it. Thats how I can NOT use it,
- and never want to (again).
-
-</a>

It DID stop you from being an ace, or something did. Don't you remember that all that aceness was justin your head?

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 08:57 PM
Ray has a squeaky girly voice. That's why he doesn't use one.



btw You didn't give your opinion Ray. You said everybody was lame that used a voice comm. Big difference.

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RichardI
07-12-2003, 08:58 PM
My CFS3 1% group uses Ventrilo on a dedicated sever. It works better than any other comm we've tried, and with it on a separate server, the bandwidth isn't an issue (everyone has cable or DSL).
We found the sound quality and reliability were much better than anything else.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 09:11 PM
So how does it work? Is it another proggie that you have to set up before playing? How does it work when you choose a game on HL with folks you don't know?

Actually, what RBJ said about ruining your perception of someone you would prefer to keep at arms length anyway makes sense and is partially the reason I've never bothered with it. At some point though I'd like to join a squad of like-minded pilots that are more around my own age and are into team work and realism. Then I would want to use it for sure.

I may give it a go before that though just for kicks cause you never know until you try it I guess.




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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 09:15 PM
you also need friends for coms thats why rbj doesnt use any


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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 09:22 PM
PriK wrote:
- So how does it work? Is it another proggie that you
- have to set up before playing? How does it work
- when you choose a game on HL with folks you don't
- know?
-

http://www.teamspeak.org/

One person runs the TeamSpeak server and everyone, including the guy who's running the TS server, runs TeamSpeak client. It works independently of any other program.

You can tell you're on a server with voice comms when nobody is typing messages...

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adlabs6
07-12-2003, 09:28 PM
Dex wrote:
- How can you NOT fly online with voice comms?

Sorry you seem to be having trouble with this, it's worked for me since I bought FB. Try this and see if it helps... Call and disconnect your broadband ISP. Thats probably most of the trouble your having right there. Then go find a good dialup ISP. By then your bandwidth should be narrow enough that you won't have to play with voice comms any longer. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 09:38 PM
Well, Squad Comms is essential as far as im concerned IF you want to cooperate with other players, it also has the added advantage of being a good way to have a natter with mates. Anyhow anyone considering comms, dont listen to RBJ, hes just miffed that he's got no friends to comm with.

As for programmes, Roger Wilco is simple to set up and pretty good for "lite" play, but if you want to get serious Teamspeak is good and provides great quality comms, but you do need a dedicated server to host the TS Server. One thing that I think peaple should try is the in game comms for FB, its easy to set up and is pretty impressive, plus it has the added advantage of everyone with FB also has access to at least hear whats going on.

As for lag issues, well the impact is minimal, and i've been using stuff like Roger Wilco for 3-4 years now.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 09:48 PM
Dont let lil girls get to you guys. Specially one that has an annoying homo/euro/tecno dude as his sig??

With that out of the way, I have my comms on 99% of the time, great addition to the experience! Either to help my buddies, recieve instructions from my commander, or just to comment on how much I love seeing engines on fire dive by my aircraft.

THe only comm software I use IS BATTLECOM (battlecom.org). Low bandwidth usage without sacrificing too much quality. My ping to my server (S77 server, who's also on comm with 10 others) averages at about 10. But you need the proper toys to play the game, dont come out with your P2 500mhz and 256 RAM on a 56k modem and try to run comms, host and play FB from Somalia. Just won't work people.

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Dexmeister wrote:
- If I'm flying alone, sure, no need for voice comms,
- obviously, but if you're flying with teammates it's
- such a great addition to the experience. It brings a
- feeling of realism, especially if you're calling out
- vectors properly (zero-nine-zero) and talking as
- though you're a pilot, rather than just two friends
- shooting the sh!t.
-
- If you don't yet have voicecomms and you fly with
- friends, I can only say "Get it"...
-
- BTW, I use TeamSpeak. Anyone found anything better
- that doesn't drop users as often and doesn't use as
- much bandwidth? TS is pretty good but suggestions
- welcome.
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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 09:59 PM
Ahhhh-hah!

I see someone is ALREADY using Leadspitter's shiny new Pony!

Up the hobby!

Up the peripherals!

... and up RBJ's purity!

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:00 PM
Dont worry abt RBJ if he likes to be a "loner" let him. I've yet to see an "ACE" who is an ace all by himself, besides I have never seen a real ACE claim to be one, they get that recognition from others.


Comms do not lagg the game unless you are on a dial up connection, even with that it will only lag if you are on the lower end of the 56K. As I have pilots who I fly with that are on dial up and are also able to use voice comms. More than likely if your game is lagging its a server problem, that or you may be running a computer with already low resources.

We use TS, Battle Comm, and RW programs.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:24 PM
RBJ won the war. At least, some pilot like him /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Oh wait, the biggest aces where on the side that lost /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



RayBanJockey wrote:
- I hope you know you are lagging the server to hell.
- You can tell the servers that have players with
- voice comms because the pings look good but the
- gamplay is choppy.
-
- How can I NOT fly with it? Easy. I haven't used it
- for over 5 years and haven't had too. It hasn't
- stopped me from being an ace. I have no desire to
- talk to some teenager or somebody who sounds like a
- child molestor while flying online. Plus my
- neighbors would think I'm crazy.
-
- Well there you have it. Thats how I can NOT use it,
- and never want to (again).
-


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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:36 PM
5 guys, all in separate dorms (on base), all with DSL, FB, RogerWilco. It's a perfect setup. Pings never higher than 13. Yes, I said 13, not 130. We all live in different buildings, yet communicate and fly fairly well as a team. We'd be a LOT worse off without RogerW. And I'm sure they'd be better without me..I'm lousy at this game but I play it for hours and hours 'coz I love it so much. I'm an anti-ace, kinda. I get killed 5 times for every 1 kill I get!


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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:38 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- I respect the purity of the game.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 12:04 AM
RBJ-I hope you know you are lagging the server to hell. You can tell the servers that have players with voice comms because the pings look good but the gamplay is choppy.


Man omg how ignorant to internet technology are you? If you really think comms such as RW, TS, or BC lag a game you just might be ******ed. First off what one person is doing on THEIR OWN computer does NOT affect YOUR connection with the server. Maybe instead of doing studies on TRIM you should do a lil on network connections and what not. Second. Are you anti social or something? No matter what a person sounds like I still think the same of them after I talk to them on comms in fact most of the time especially in my squad it makes us all bond more and tend to look out for them even more. Third. After using all the voice comms and I got a job with one of my flying buddies and we actually flew to Canada and met up with half of the WUAF squad and threw it down in Montreal. Not much flying but lots n lots of drinking :P Was actually one of the coolest moments I have had. Also we all came to the conclusion that we have to be the best looking squad in Forgotten Battles :P hehe. You know everyone you see on the internet arent cereal killers or child molesters or whatever you wanna tell yourself. Most of us are pretty oridinary every day type of guys you meet at work or what not. I didnt think you were that shallow RBJ but evidently you are... One statement of advice for you bro. Dont sell yourself short in life. Live it to the fullest and dont be shy. You'll end up missing out on the fun. Maybe you'll get the chance to meet a cool guy like me that is popular not only on the pc but as well in the real world. I just happen to have a love for prop planes. We all have that in common just maybe we have more in common but hey.. your too scared to find out or actually go out into the real world and meet people.. *cough*women*cough* Is that why you fantasize about that American Idle girl? You do know there are women out there that are ten times better looking and probably much much cooler? Maybe they cant sing like her but Im not really looking for a girl that can sing to me if you know what I mean.


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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 12:22 AM
The reason RBJ doesn't like voice comm is that his little lonely targets suddently work together and kill him, like in real life, comm and teamwork is essential, from what I understand, due to lack of both, that was the reason the Japanese pilots, despite better dogfighting planes, lost in the end.

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 02:11 AM
i think RBJ has had some bad stuff happen before.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 02:22 AM
RBJ. your totally wrong. most everyone uses cable or dsl now. so bandwidth is not an issue. plus if your on a team its a gigantic benefit. even five years ago on older puters with dialup it was WORTH getting rw or bc. only a loner would have your opinion rbj. AFJ has rw , ventrilo, and teamspeak 2. we always seem to revert back to rw for some reason though. voice comms make it a 1000 percent easier to train people also. and it a MUST in competitions. sorry rbj in this you are not even 1% correct. but you are 100%.............WRONG

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 02:38 AM
WUAF_Marauder wrote:
- Man omg how ignorant to internet technology are you?
- If you really think comms such as RW, TS, or BC lag
- a game you just might be ******ed.

You is wrong. Anytime you start putting people's voices into the bandwidth of the game it causes lag. It's just as bad as having the skin download on, and believe, me I can tell the difference. Have you ever heard of the printscreen cheat? Well say hello to the guy who taps his voice com activation button cheat as well. Not to mention co-ops where the host turns on externals so those who get killed can watch. But what they end up doing is becomeing spotters on Rodger wilco instead.

Like I said it hogs the bandwidth and opens up the possibility of cheaters. That's why it's bad for the purity of the game.

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07-13-2003, 02:51 AM
IF they are spotting theyre not flying. id rather have the guy flying thanks

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 02:56 AM
Have you
- ever heard of the printscreen cheat? Well say hello
- to the guy who taps his voice com activation button
- cheat as well. Not to mention co-ops where the host
- turns on externals so those who get killed can
- watch. But what they end up doing is becomeing
- spotters on Rodger wilco instead.


Never heard of those cheats myself, I assume you have done these to prove your theory.

I would also draw from your comment you have used or do use voice comms since you know so much about radioing spotting information.

If this is wrong disregaurd this, but the way you have it posted it appears you have done those things.

And before you take this wrong, NO I am not calling you a cheat.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 03:56 AM
Prik said:
`So how does it work? Is it another proggie that you have to set up before playing? How does it work when you choose a game on HL with folks you don't know?

You can run HL or RW first, doesn`t matter. RW has options to reduce amount of bandwith used. I played IL2 quite a lot online with RW (and recently with FB) at 56k and was surprised at how well it all ran. The odd com `gap` but very good.

Prik said:
`Actually, what RBJ said about ruining your perception of someone you would prefer to keep at arms length anyway makes sense and is partially the reason I've never bothered with it.`

Why do people listen to RBJ when he doesn`t know what he`s talking about? He so misinforms people.
I started first time with RW on Mechwarrior about 4 years back. I was nervous, slightly worried and even embarassed. I thought `will I sound like a jerk etc!?` But I was surprised just how easy it was and how welcoming the guys were. They said hello and all that and came out with good natured jokes, I was at ease within ten minutes! The most trouble I had was understanding that American `twang` especially the Southern, (since I`m British) but it was easy after a while. They were real patient.

Since then I`ve spoken to and with Fins, Canadians, Germans, Scots, Croatians even a Korean chap. The only real hassle is just getting round the accent, but after a couple of days they are easy to understand. My percerption has never been ruined. What do you expect to hear? They`re just normal people, like you and me.
The only irritation I had was with a Brit kid who was obviously very young and just couldn`t control himself whenever anything exciting happened. He just kept screaming down the microphone. We kicked him in the end.

Prik said:
`At some point though I'd like to join a squad of like-minded pilots that are more around my own age and are into team work and realism. Then I would want to use it for sure.`

Join a Squad on RW, you won`t regret it.

Prik said:
`I may give it a go before that though just for kicks cause you never know until you try it I guess.`

You won`t know if you listen to people like RBJ!

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 04:19 AM
I don't use voicecomm and I would subscribe to RBJ, as always, extremly subjective view on this subject to some extent. Though it might be a fun and useful tool I would rather, if it where an option, communicate through a less intrusive interface. Like standard commands and/or que. Of the like: "wingman(RBJ): return to base" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



Message Edited on 07/13/0304:22AM by Afreaka

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 07:41 AM
WUAF_Marauder wrote:
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- Man omg how ignorant to internet technology are you?
- If you really think comms such as RW, TS, or BC lag
- a game you just might be ******ed.
-
-

Hmmmm...then why is it, with my Auto Kick settings, if you use voice comms on my server, you are kicked immediately?

And not the "default" settings for AK...those settings are worthless...they still allow a "lagfest"

I get complaints about it...guys with 80 pings (using voice comms) getting AK'd while I have 1000 plus pings play for hours. (and show no signs of lag).

It's not the ping guys, it's the "stability" of your connection.

Voice comms interrupts the regular packet flow of the game, which is why they get AK'd on my server.

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 09:25 PM
TeamSpeak is great /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif JG5 uses a dedicated (Linux box) TS server that runs 24-7, donated by one of our squad. No hosting issues and no lag caused.

Used TeamSound before - great quality but choppy (before we were dedicated) and RogerWilco. I personally don't like RogerWilco because of the low voice quality.

There is no way that we lag games with our setup /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 11:05 PM
SeaFireLIV wrote:

- Why do people listen to RBJ when he doesn`t know
- what he`s talking about? He so misinforms people.

Actually, I don't give any more or less credence to what he says than anyone else here, depending on the topic. I get my info from as many sources as possible.

A couple of his points are reasonable and even supported by others in this thread but everyone is always in such a rush to lash back that they miss the (posssibly) valid points. Of course he can be so insulting in the way he puts his points across it's obvious he's baiting everyone to respond with insults. It works every time for him in every thread.

Although voice comms *should* not make much difference when used in a broadband connection, in the real world it can depending on any number of factors. I've seen it be an issue in other games. But anyway, this isn't an issue for me really.

Now, should I get a headset unit (which would have to go over my geeky baseball hat TrackIR contraption) or would a regular mic do fine? I imagine getting a decent condensor mic would be better than the cheap $5 jobbies.

Also, how much CPU resources are taken up by RW or the other comm software? FB eats up my XP2000+ and wants more...way more. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif






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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 12:08 AM
"Hmmmm...then why is it, with my Auto Kick settings, if you use voice comms on my server, you are kicked immediately? "

My squad uses Teamspeak through a dedicated host machine. Our hosts have real tight autokick settings, yet TS has NEVER been an issue.

We have tried RW and BC, but for clarity of sound, TS has been the winner.

I would like to try your server. Me and a couple of squadmates will come on one night, using TS, and if we get autokicked, I will be very suprised.

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 02:04 AM
I don't care if you have a "dedicated" server for your chatter or not, 99.9% players are using only 1 internet connection and therefore will have to share their packetspace.

Use of voice comms in public games is just flat out rude. I applaud those hosts who have their lag settings tight enough to boot the offenders.

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 02:10 AM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- Use of voice comms in public games is just flat out
- rude. I applaud those hosts who have their lag
- settings tight enough to boot the offenders.


Flat out rude, eh? What's your opinion on Skin Download? What about those ignorant folk that use 1024 resolution skins? What about people that fly over *gasp* cities? What about the hosts that actually use maps with *gasp* ground objects?

RBJ, it's amazing how you're an ace flying in the stone age. You'd be world class Ace material if you actually embraced some of the new advances of simming technology. Oh, but I guess if you lose one FPS then it's not worth it because "Air Quake" wouldn't be the same for you.

Oh, and on the topic of people's internet connections, what do you make of people joining my server from different countries? If their ping is a little high and they have a good time, what the feck is the difference? If you're getting poor performance, leave. I don't get a lot of complaints when I host....



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Message Edited on 07/13/0306:12PM by Dexmeister

XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 02:17 AM
Skin download sucks too. I never have it on. There should be a host option to universally turn it off. (as there should be for voice comms too...unfortuantely this would be harder to enforce)

As far as buildings and objects, well. they will will make your computer lag offline too so they don't count.

Here is a clue: Respect the purity of the game! Let there be the cleanest connections with no chatter or paints, and reduce the possibilty of Wilco cheaters.

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 02:17 AM
When I see a thread tha RBJ has posted to, I read every bit of it. He is one funny guy, and knows it. He has to know it because he won an award for it. Right now I am rolling on the floor. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 02:21 AM
Well RBJ, wouldn't that upset a lot of people that like to fly nice skins?

Another thing - FB is currently not your most stable piece of internet/multiplayer software code. What if it turned out that it was actually FB that was flawed and that voice comms weren't causing any lag at all?

Then would you eat your words or just make up another bogus rationalization for your pessimistic stone-aged views? Probably.



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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 02:33 AM
Dexmeister wrote:
- Well RBJ, wouldn't that upset a lot of people that
- like to fly nice skins?

They can go to another server, one where the host is a newbie and forgot to turn off the skin download for everyone. Even with the smaller old skins in IL2, I can tell the difference between skin download on or off. (and I have a 1000mb/s T1) Now with the skins that are 4x as big, skin downloading public enemy #1. You see, a long time ago I saw a pink Yak with an Osama Bin Laden pilot. It was then that I realized you've seen 1 you've seen 'em all and I have never had a desire to turn the skin download on ever again.



- Another thing - FB is currently not your most stable
- piece of internet/multiplayer software code. What if
- it turned out that it was actually FB that was
- flawed and that voice comms weren't causing any lag
- at all?

Voice comms have cause lag in games ever since they came out. Don't EVEN try to pin this one on FB. Go use your Rodger Wilco in full real password protected games with close friends you can trust but leave the public servers alone!

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 02:34 AM
RayBanJockey wrote:
(and I have a 1000mb/s T1)

Really? Now I've seen it all....



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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 02:39 AM
Well it's fast thats all I know. I have had DSL or Cable for the last 5 years.

http://www.2wire.com Click "Test your broadband speed."

215.1 Kbps

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 03:20 AM
241.3

Heeeee.


Lixma,

Blitzpig.

XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 03:51 AM
Didn`t wanna write this, cos it`s giving RBJ more fun. But why do you guys even respond to the jerk? He would vanish if no one listened to him.



Message Edited on 07/14/0302:53AM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 04:27 AM
The skin download may lagg ya a little if others have skins you dont, however it is not a long lasting lag and goes away quickly.
As for comms, if comms are lagging your game RBJ then either your connection stinks or your machine needs a tune up. Comms have never caused me any problems and I dont get your claimed 1000mbs speed.




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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 04:36 AM
CO_Eagle_31stFG wrote:
- The skin download may lagg ya a little if others
- have skins you dont, however it is not a long
- lasting lag and goes away quickly.
- As for comms, if comms are lagging your game RBJ
- then either your connection stinks or your machine
- needs a tune up. Comms have never caused me any
- problems and I dont get your claimed 1000mbs speed.


No way hose'. As has been said, people get auto-booted from servers just for using voice comms, and discerning gamers can tell if they have accidentally left the skin download on or not. And forget about your "inadequate rig" accusations, I use DSL and have a 3D Mark of over 10,000.

This is no silly legs FPS we are talking about. This is a 1000km/h closing speeds game. Having a pure ping is a necessity, one that is disturbed by chatter and skin swappers. You people who can't tell the difference just aren't discerning gamers like me. Heck, there are some people who can't even tell the difference between v-sync on or off so I take what many people say is "smooth" with a grain of salt.

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 04:38 AM
OMG, my bandwidth is 1242.19. That's faster than RBJs 1000mbps T1! AH HA HA HA /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 05:01 AM
Dexmeister wrote:
- Well RBJ, wouldn't that upset a lot of people that
- like to fly nice skins?
-
- Another thing - FB is currently not your most stable
- piece of internet/multiplayer software code. What if
- it turned out that it was actually FB that was
- flawed and that voice comms weren't causing any lag
- at all?
-
- Then would you eat your words or just make up
- another bogus rationalization for your pessimistic
- stone-aged views? Probably.
-
-



I was talking about the original IL2. I'm not currently flying FB because I feel it is unplayable online.

I've always been a stickler for smooth play, my server is set up for that sole purpose...smooth play.

If someones...anyones..connection, isp, computer etc. can't handle lag free play, I don't want them in my server,...Period.

So, I have my autokick set accordingly...and I'm enjoying the hell out of lag free play http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 05:41 AM
JZG_Winter wrote:
- My squad uses Teamspeak through a dedicated host
- machine. Our hosts have real tight autokick
- settings, yet TS has NEVER been an issue.
-



Some how I have to think that our idea of "tight settings" differ,..my settings are far from the default example of:

Ex.:
[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime = 10.0
nearMaxLagTime = 2.0
cheaterWarningDelay = 5.0
cheaterWarningNum = -1


Mine are decimal numbers.....and I have two guys that fly regularly with 1000 plus pings, show no sign of lag, and don't get AK'd.

Voice comm'ers, on the other hand, are a different story.

XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 05:44 AM
Dexmeister wrote:
- Well RBJ, wouldn't that upset a lot of people that
- like to fly nice skins?
-
- Another thing - FB is currently not your most stable
- piece of internet/multiplayer software code. What if
- it turned out that it was actually FB that was
- flawed and that voice comms weren't causing any lag
- at all?
-
- Then would you eat your words or just make up
- another bogus rationalization for your pessimistic
- stone-aged views? Probably.

Dex, why do you let him get ya like this? Just let it be man... RBJ obviously aggrivates the heck outta ya, so why goad him on?

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 06:37 AM
Do you really know what you are talking about?, how can you know about voice com if you dont use it??

and regarding your Vaunted "purity of the game"...why the heck you are always talking about how to cheat?

Hypocrisy?????


RayBanJockey wrote:
-
--
- You is wrong. Anytime you start putting people's
- voices into the bandwidth of the game it causes lag.
- It's just as bad as having the skin download on,
- and believe, me I can tell the difference. Have you
- ever heard of the printscreen cheat? Well say hello
- to the guy who taps his voice com activation button
- cheat as well. Not to mention co-ops where the host
- turns on externals so those who get killed can
- watch. But what they end up doing is becomeing
- spotters on Rodger wilco instead.
-
-
- Like I said it hogs the bandwidth and opens up the
- possibility of cheaters. That's why it's bad for
- the purity of the game.
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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 06:48 AM
Loco-S wrote:
- Do you really know what you are talking about?, how
- can you know about voice com if you dont use it??

Of course I know what I'm talking about. I'm an anline ace who can detect very subtle disturbances in the force (the servers bandwidth).

- and regarding your Vaunted "purity of the
- game"...why the heck you are always talking about
- how to cheat?
-
- Hypocrisy?????

I have never told anyone how to cheat. First of all you can't cheat in IL2/FB. Second, if I did say how to cheat, it was a joke. Third, using your trim on a slider and calibrating your joystick is not cheating.

The sooner you accept that I am an ace who knows what he is talking about, the easier your life will be. (although it might not be as funny to the rest of us) [img src=stupidsmilyface.rbj]

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Message Edited on 07/14/0301:50AM by RayBanJockey

XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 06:51 AM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- Of course I know what I'm talking about. I'm an
- anline ace who can detect very subtle disturbances
- in the force (the servers bandwidth).

OMG...I am now officially a fan of RayBanJockey.

XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 06:55 AM
RayBanJockey wrote:
so...writing macros to modify the game settings is not cheating.....hummm

- I have never told anyone how to cheat. First of all
- you can't cheat in IL2/FB. Second, if I did say how
- to cheat, it was a joke. Third, using your trim on
- a slider and calibrating your joystick is not
- cheating.


well, the sooner you provide proof of your claims..the easier your life will be on this forum.


- The sooner you accept that I am an ace who knows
- what he is talking about, the easier your life will
- be. (although it might not be as funny to the rest
- of us)


PS Ray..your proctologist called...THEY FOUND YOUR HEAD!!!!!

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07-14-2003, 07:07 AM
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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 07:12 AM
Loco-S wrote:
- so...writing macros to modify the game settings is
- not cheating.....hummm

Who said anything about writing macros? The only thing close to a macro I use is the thumbstick of my CH Pro Throttle USB set to non-directx positional mode, with each axis containing 2 keyboard values that have been assigned to prop pitch and mix increase and decrease. Positional mode because I add 4 "nulls" in the middle areas of each axis to facilitate the fastest and most precise activation of the appropriate control in tune to my thumbs natural flicking motion.

You can tell I'm an ace just by the way I talk! And no, there is no "trim macro". All I do is make the game think my stick is 1/5 forward (calibrate...duh) and also adjust my spring in my joystick (tons of people change their FFB effects) so it centers 1/5 forward. Then I just linearize (set to 100s) the 2 axis in the game via the joystick screen (anyone can change in the game) for pure cross axis travel that does not have a center point. Put a little filtering on it for the cherry and you got yourself one hot stick ready to play FB! (for IL2, this is unnessary) Thanks Oleg! I just talked to my mechanic.

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 07:26 AM
To RMUTT:

No sense posting "over there", you seem to be here just as much.

Don't think you were ever on my server, Uncle_Ivans', no question.

You might have been once or twice when I first got a connection fast enough to serve, but if you were, it was in the beginning when I had NO autokick on. I really didn't start serving regularly until just before FB came out, and we were no longer flying together by then.



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-Even funnier are VSO's comments

-Me and Ivan use to play there server all the time and on
-comms and never got booted. I can see comms being a
-problem if the host is on a 56K and the quality settings
- are set to high, but with some good bandwidth, nadda.

XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 08:15 AM
Panzzzz wrote:
-
- RayBanJockey wrote:
-- Of course I know what I'm talking about. I'm an
-- anline ace who can detect very subtle disturbances
-- in the force (the servers bandwidth).
-
- OMG...I am now officially a fan of RayBanJockey.
-

who isn't?

he/she is a hoot

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Tully__
07-14-2003, 10:18 AM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- Hey, I just answered the question. (RE: How can you
- NOT fly online with voice comms?) I don't use voice
- comms, and thats how. I respect the purity of the
- game.
-
-


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Afterhours
09-26-2008, 10:27 PM
vso, you are sadly missed.

xTHRUDx
09-27-2008, 02:02 AM
why did you dig up a 5 year old thread?

blairgowrie
09-27-2008, 04:27 AM
I think he is trying to tell us RBJ is back amongst us.

FlixFlix
09-27-2008, 04:30 AM
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Feathered_IV
09-27-2008, 05:06 AM
Bollox to these codgers.

Mind you, I never used comms when flying IJN online. Effective communications is practically a cheat then.

canadiantrout
09-27-2008, 06:04 AM
Are u kidding?? RBJ is back? been years since I've seen that name... well this should be entertaining....

M_Gunz
09-27-2008, 06:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blairgowrie:
I think he is trying to tell us RBJ is back amongst us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

RBJ was not an inconsistent lying sneak that I recall.
And nothing would stop a congenital bulls#!++er from using that image.
It still looks like he's.... well that's better not said.

DuckyFluff
09-27-2008, 06:49 AM
Its ALIVE!!!!!! Its ALIVE!!!!! I tell you!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif


NOTHING can stop it now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

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xTHRUDx
09-27-2008, 01:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blairgowrie:
I think he is trying to tell us RBJ is back amongst us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what leads you to belive that conclusion? there is no evidience.

Dustysquareback
09-27-2008, 03:24 PM
Lag the server? No way. Some nights half of Skies of Valor is on Teamspeak, and they're planes are no "choppier" than anyone elses.

Get off the dial-up dude. It's really not an issue.

blairgowrie
09-27-2008, 04:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xTHRUDx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blairgowrie:
I think he is trying to tell us RBJ is back amongst us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what leads you to belive that conclusion? there is no evidience. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mere speculation on my part. Someone obviously wants us to think they are RBJ. Maybe he is and maybe he isn't. Doesn't really matter. If someone is here to cause trouble, they will be dealt with in a humane fashion. Electrocution.