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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 02:56 PM
I am flying a 1941 offline campaign that started with the LaGG-3. The LaGG was a good killing machine with excellent firepower and good turn radius. I was then transferred to I-16s and they were a good machine with their incredible maneuverability.

Well, the I-16 tour finished and now I am flying MiG-3UDs. I am getting shot to heck by the 109s. It seems that the MiG has less climb, less speed, greater turn radius, and slower dive than the 109. Oh, and weak firepower.

So how do you win with a MiG? What are some good tactics to employ.

BTW, just for grins I used the QMB on autopilot to see what an ACE in a MiG-3 would do against an AVERAGE 109 pilot. I do this to get some ideas on how to defeat a particular aircraft. Turns out that the ACE gets killed every time!

All comments welcome!

JC

XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 02:56 PM
I am flying a 1941 offline campaign that started with the LaGG-3. The LaGG was a good killing machine with excellent firepower and good turn radius. I was then transferred to I-16s and they were a good machine with their incredible maneuverability.

Well, the I-16 tour finished and now I am flying MiG-3UDs. I am getting shot to heck by the 109s. It seems that the MiG has less climb, less speed, greater turn radius, and slower dive than the 109. Oh, and weak firepower.

So how do you win with a MiG? What are some good tactics to employ.

BTW, just for grins I used the QMB on autopilot to see what an ACE in a MiG-3 would do against an AVERAGE 109 pilot. I do this to get some ideas on how to defeat a particular aircraft. Turns out that the ACE gets killed every time!

All comments welcome!

JC

XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 03:08 PM
How do you score with a MiG-3UD? Well, start by not wearing that stupid helmet and then invite the girl for a drink a tour of heaven. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Anyway, the MiG-3 is extremely vulnerable, as you have found out. So play it safe. And remember that it was designed as a high-altitude, high-speed fighter. So gain A LOT of altitude, and boom'n'zoom in it. That's the way I survived, and killed, in my MiG-3 campaign. Eventually I grew kinda fond of the little goodlooking bugger.

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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 03:18 PM
The mig3u is pretty deadly Strong ammo insane roll rate, no plane of wwii had a rollrate at top speed like the mig3u has, the pilot would instantly blackout and his head would explode.

Good things migs are at least fragile and have a pretty weak elevator control in fb. If you ever seen real guncamera footage of f-2s totally crushing swarms of migs you know they didnt fly like the do in FB


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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 03:53 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote, scathingly:



"The mig3u is pretty deadly Strong ammo insane roll rate, no plane of wwii had a rollrate at top speed like the mig3u has, the pilot would instantly blackout and his head would explode.

Good things migs are at least fragile and have a pretty weak elevator control in fb. If you ever seen real guncamera footage of f-2s totally crushing swarms of migs you know they didnt fly like the do in FB "


Well now we know what you think of that plane. But I too have tried the Mig 3UD and it`s a nightmare to fly. I could hardly shoot anything down ( of the AI enemy). I just got shot down regularly along with my wingmen. In fact, online I`ve seen NOBODY using this plane. It`s basically ignored. So I think LeadSpitter_ `s complaint is really pointless. If it were that good why isn`t everyone flying it? Give me the Lagg3 s.4 any day, much better.




Message Edited on 07/24/03 02:54PM by SeaFireLIV

Message Edited on 07/24/0302:55PM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 04:17 PM
I´m sorry Seafire, I do use the Mig online ALWAYS, and score pretty well with it...as any other plane in FB, it has its pros and cons.
Yes, the Mig was a high altitude fighter, so try to keep high and, as said, B& Z the enemy.
But once you know the plane, even at low altitudes, it can perform admirably well. It doesn´t turn bad at all, and its legendary roll rate may save your butt more than once. Also, it has a good quantity of ammo, and powerfull enough to down any other plan except for the Il2.
For a mid war plane, its speed is great, diving capabilities are good, although it´s a little lazy while climbing.
Overall, it´s a plane I´ve learned to appreciate and handle more than effectively, so I encourage anyone to give it a try.


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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 04:35 PM
cueceleches wrote to a chided SeaFireLIV:





"I´m sorry Seafire, I do use the Mig online ALWAYS, and score pretty well with it...as any other plane in FB, it has its pros and cons.
Yes, the Mig was a high altitude fighter, so try to keep high and, as said, B& Z the enemy.
But once you know the plane, even at low altitudes, it can perform admirably well. It doesn´t turn bad at all, and its legendary roll rate may save your butt more than once. Also, it has a good quantity of ammo, and powerfull enough to down any other plan except for the Il2.
For a mid war plane, its speed is great, diving capabilities are good, although it´s a little lazy while climbing.
Overall, it´s a plane I´ve learned to appreciate and handle more than effectively, so I encourage anyone to give it a try. "



I guess I stand corrected. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 04:47 PM
I agree with Slush.

I played Il2 since it came out and FB since it came out and I never really liked the MIG until I genuinely attempted to use its strengths and stay away from its weaknesses.

Like Slush said. get high and stay fast.

I am slogging through the offline campaign and I find that if I BnZ efficiently, the little flamebox does alright. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Also, do not, do not, do not, fire on the Stukas from the 6 position..
I don't care how fast you are going, the sniper gunner will put a round into your engine, you will start smoking and it is all over.

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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 04:56 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 05:28 PM
On a campaign I climbed to enough altitude and dived and climbed to stay away from 109's. When you get far enough from your opponent he gives up.

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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 05:32 PM
seafire if you never seen someone in a mig3u online you need to start playing more http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 06:22 PM
I've had some great success with Mig-3UD.. it is just like 109... not as agile as Yaks, but Fast.. Boom&zoom works.. and very good armament.. 2 of those Shvak-cannons. Fastest plane for 1942?

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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 07:46 PM
Mig-3 fighters (except a Mig-3U) are probably the only type of russian fighters that "luftwhiners" do not label as a "noob", "uber", "overmodelled", or "UFO".

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 09:28 PM
The Mig has one particular advantage, its speed.

You have to use it if you want to get some kills with it, keep your speed high and try to stay the highest possible.

Another interresting point is that, at high speeds, you also have a turn rate advantage, above 400 kph, the 109s can't outturn you anymore.

I really like this plane, though it's quite difficult to get results with it at the beginning, the only real problem is that I must always play it safe because only a handful of hits can bring one down.

BTW, against bombers, its armament is bad, but against fighters, the high rate of fire, particularly for the Shkas, helps to get many hits and the 109's engine can't take much danmage without stopping or overheating.