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Sturmvogel66
11-11-2004, 01:23 PM
I was just goin on a routine escort mission for a suadron of SBDs, in my F4F-3 and about 10 minutes to target a squadron of Zekes jumped us. Long story short, the first flight of Dauntlesses bought it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif, but we managed to fend off the rest of them from the second flight and lost three of our own in the process. By the end of the battle the score was, US: 6 plus a Japanese Carrier, Japan:7. However, after we attacked one of the carriers, the second one decided to open fire on us very out-of-the-blue-like. It was strange, anyway my wingman and I got peppered by flak and small calibre AAA. This barrage damaged my aileron controls, which provoked a loud "****!" from me.

I had a whole 50 minute + return flight ahead of me with only my elevator controls, rudder, and weakened engine, and some minor wounds. However, I was determined to make it back in one piece. There were no enemy fighters around so I didn't need to worry about that, I just nursed her home and on the way practiced making precise adjustments with just the rudder and elevators. Once you get used to it its not so bad, anyway, in the track it shows less damage than I actually had for some reason, and it also shows my ailerons moving for some reason, but trust me, they weren't doing anything. Anyway, just thought I would share my success of bringing a damaged bird home in one piece. It took two passes bcause on the first pass there was traffic on the deck in front of me. Anyway, enjoy, and comments are welcome, I just thought it was an adrenaline rush.

Track here (http://home.comcast.net/~flachvier66/HOLYCRAP.ntrk)

Yellonet
11-11-2004, 01:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>...in the track it shows less damage than I actually had for some reason, and it also shows my ailerons moving for some reason, but trust me, they weren't doing anything. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hmmmmmmmm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sturmvogel66
11-11-2004, 01:41 PM
Ha! I know, it makes me mad, I wanted it to be shown in all its glory, but as I watched it, I saw a lot less "visual" damage, and the ailerons were moving, I was like WTF? I was moving the stick from side to side by habit on landing, but as you can see if you watch it, at one point the ailerons are almost at full deflection and the plane doesn't roll one bit, so that should be enough to prove it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

AWL_Spinner
11-11-2004, 02:32 PM
I love the way this sim properly handles the aerodynamic effects of rudder and allows you to bank with it when your ailerons get shot to bits.

Not quite up to your level of heroics but here's an engine-out landing in a Seafire on a moving carrier if you're interested. Not a pretty landing but hey, you only get one shot and I caught a wire!

Track here (http://www.alliedwingedlegion.com/members/spinner/engineout.ntrk)

Cheers, Spinner

mortoma
11-11-2004, 02:55 PM
Despite the surfaces moving, I have no trouble at all believing you and it's always a nice accomplishment to land without total control. I have made many landing without the ailerons and zillions without the rudder. Only problem without the rudder is that after landing you have no control and I have ended up crashing into the control tower and other objects!! I have also managed to make it in without elevator in several aircraft. I do it by modulating the flaps up and down to control the descent rate.
It only works in planes that have fast moving flaps though. I have made no elevator landing in the ME-110 and P-40, to name a couple. There are some planes that are impossible to land without the elevator though, as they have very slow moving flaps.

Hendley
11-11-2004, 03:10 PM
Sturm, great story. Just the other night I managed to land a Heinkel without ailerons; old hat to many perhaps, but for me it was a hell of a long ride home.

For me, nursing beat-up ground attack aircraft back to base has got to be one of the highlights of this game. Who needs dogfighting when you have to land a 1-engine B-25 with no elevator? Now THAT is a challenge http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FoolTrottel
11-11-2004, 03:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AWL_Spinner:
I love the way this sim properly handles the aerodynamic effects of rudder and allows you to bank with it when your ailerons get shot to bits.

Not quite up to your level of heroics but here's an engine-out landing in a Seafire on a moving carrier if you're interested. Not a pretty landing but hey, you only get one shot and I caught a wire!

http://www.alliedwingedlegion.com/members/spinner/engineout.ntrk

Cheers, Spinner <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I am very impressed.
I know I am not a good pil2ot, I can do some damage and survive offline, I can do a lot of damage to my own plane online (the hole-in-the-ground experience) but man, this track is unbelievable. The only thing that you have in favor is that (if I've seen correctly) you have TWO carries to choose from.
Looks like here's a pilot at the controls.
GREAT JOB!
(Sturmvogel, sorry, I could not replay your track (some error) so I cannot say a thing about your landing...)

Sturmvogel66
11-11-2004, 09:34 PM
Well, maybe its because you dont have the DGen Beta 3.11 patch, but I don't know about that...I wonder if anyone actually watched my track http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Oh, and Henley, I could not agree more. But I still tend to fly the fighters more often http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

AWL_Spinner...I just watched your track, and man, I don't think I deserve any more credit, that was amazing. When you were about 250 meteres away from the carrier and you were sinking fast I loved how you used your flaps and gear as lift and airbrakes. Very very fine job.

x__CRASH__x
11-11-2004, 11:24 PM
50 minute flight one way??

No thank you. I don't have that kind of patience or time.

Sturmvogel66
11-12-2004, 01:09 AM
Guess it takes a hard core realism nut to fly a 50 minute return trip with no time compression and a set of busted ailerons. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

AWL_Spinner
11-12-2004, 03:28 AM
Keep 'em coming, I agree with the above - nursing home a wounded aircraft is one of the most satisfying aspects of this sim, mainly because the flight modelling by and large offers very realistic behaviour.

WRT to my landing above (from memory) I had committed the cardinal sin of dropping the flaps too early - engine failure lesson no.1 would include "never drop the flaps until you're absolutely sure you can make the field!". It can be very easy to misjudge approach angle when gliding like a rock - as a result there was some frantic cleaning up of the airframe (flaps AND gear) very short on the approach. Thankfully it was just enough to stop me becoming one with the stern of the carrier!

Cheers, Spinner

EAF19_Insight
11-12-2004, 04:23 AM
I flew in a mission I made using Beaufighters to attack a Carrier in a Dogfight mission I was hosting with some of my EAF colleagues.

4 of us went, only I made it back with no elevator control cables and my rudder was shot off, purely by luck and a Spitfire saving my bacon from a Zero on the way home.

I managed to do a belly landing touching down at 250mph as all I had to change my rate of descent and pitch was flaps and throttle..

A friend of mine made a video about it as we found some disturbing statistics for RAF torpedo bombers and felt it apt.

Chance of surviving first tour 17.5%
Chance of surviving a 2nd tour 3%

no thats not a typo... 3%

Trouble is I used a hell of a lot of bandwidth up hosting it.. I will link to it here for a day then disable the hosting again..

http://www.munky-business.com/vids/failedtoreturn.wmv

In the video my control surfaces are still there for the elevators but the cables are not http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Rudder was completely blown off

I am flying the desert skin Beaufighter

Sturmvogel66
11-12-2004, 11:44 AM
Bummer, I signed back in too late, I didn't get to see the beau vid. Apparently you already took it down. And yes AWL_spinner, as a private pilot I know what its like on those simulated engine outs your first time doing it in the pattern. Instructor pulls the power, you find the best glide path, only to drop the flaps too early and screw up your whole approach, Instructor says, "Okay, put on the power, you crashed into the pond on short final, lets try it again." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

AtorianPaladin
11-12-2004, 01:31 PM
i dont have pf yet, was a good way to practice for it. i guess id better prac my landins cause im terrible at them.

Jason Bourne
11-12-2004, 06:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hendley:
Sturm, great story. Just the other night I managed to land a Heinkel without ailerons; old hat to many perhaps, but for me it was a hell of a long ride home.

For me, nursing beat-up ground attack aircraft back to base has got to be one of the highlights of this game. Who needs dogfighting when you have to land a 1-engine B-25 with no elevator? Now THAT is a challenge http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

bah! you want a challenge, try landing a Beu with no rudder, one holed aileron, one burnt elevator (frame is their, no skin).

oh, and only one 3/4 power engine, with 2 190s on your tail.

i didnt actually manage to land properly, but i did atleast hit softenough that i was alive at the end.

griego
11-12-2004, 07:28 PM
a little off topic but they other day was doing a mission. Escorting some SBD's to hit the japanese carrier.

I hit external view and put the plane on auto pilot. was watch the pilot in awe and amazment. As he turned his had from side to side as the plane moved through the air. As it circled the SBD's while in escort.

I thought to myself wow what a wounderful game this is and what attention to detials the designers have. Just simply amazing.