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Jumoschwanz
04-04-2005, 07:23 AM
Recently on a server tipped toward full difficulty, a virtual pilot got on his chat bar and started name calling and chiding another pilot for running away from his attack. Not disconnecting, just eluding him.

I have ran away from a lot of attacks. If I am at a disadvantage and things get away from me as they usually do, then I will dive away, scissor back and forth, fly into a cloud, whatever it takes.

I am sure this was common practice in WWII also, I have read many accounts where a pilot in over his head dives and runs like he11 for home. You see, he was trying to save his life, get it now?

Johnny Johnson of Wing Commander fame, and Robert Johnson of Thunderbolt! fame among just about every other smart, living pilot got out when the going got bad.

IF I am having fun running away or turning and burning in a hopless situation that is my business and it is my way of having fun, is that okay if I have fun too dummy?

Save your crying for the shoulder shooters and disconnecters, the other 1diots ok?

It is really dumb for some jerk who has the upper hand to whine and cry when someone gets away, I guess they did not do that good a job to begin with huh? If someone gets away from you $hut up and practice some more so the next one won't okay ace?


I have seen this behaviour more than once and unfortunately by virtual pilots that have been around for years. They must be extra stupid. S!

Jumoschwanz

Tully__
04-04-2005, 07:27 AM
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EiZ0N
04-04-2005, 07:31 AM
Heh

Being fairly new to the game, I tend to run (or try!) from people all the time.

I don't have the experience to know what to do in many situations - I don't want to toot my own horn, but I feel I can throw a plane around quite well wherever I want it to go, it's just that I'm never quite sure what good tactics are.

When someone is behind me shooting at me, I usually just try to run to teammates, because in the past nothing else has really worked.

If I knew tactics for all sorts of situations, I'd probably be able to improve. As it is, I'm not really improving at the game. So I often run, and it often works quite well

WOLFMondo
04-04-2005, 07:38 AM
Theres absolutly nothing wrong with running away when the odds are stacked. I thought that was the whole point of really fast planes?!?

Hristos
04-04-2005, 07:39 AM
What, you didn't try to turn in a Fw 190 vs some Spitfire on your six ?

You coward http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

madsarmy
04-04-2005, 08:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumoschwanz:
I have seen this behaviour more than once and unfortunately by virtual pilots that have been around for years. They must be extra stupid. S!

Jumoschwanz <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They Must be.
If they were that good they should have got the kill in the first pass.
Sounds like he lost his advantage & got all girlie about & I bet this is what he reads.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/tommybomb/girlie_mag.jpg

LStarosta
04-04-2005, 08:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EiZ0N:
Heh

Being fairly new to the game, I tend to run (or try!) from people all the time.

I don't have the experience to know what to do in many situations - I don't want to toot my own horn, but I feel I can throw a plane around quite well wherever I want it to go, it's just that I'm never quite sure what good tactics are.

When someone is behind me shooting at me, I usually just try to run to teammates, because in the past nothing else has really worked.

If I knew tactics for all sorts of situations, I'd probably be able to improve. As it is, I'm not really improving at the game. So I often run, and it often works quite well <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are only two tactics you need to know:

1) When you have the ultimate advantage of speed and altitude, otherwise known as Energy, dive down, attack, and zoom back up. Make sure you conserve your energy by not pulling hard maneuvers. Otherwise, if you do not have the ultimate advantage, wait for a more favorable one.

2) If you are disadvantaged and being pursued, DIVE, head for home and call for friendly support.


Everything else is bullsh!t.

ednavar
04-04-2005, 08:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madsarmy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumoschwanz:
I have seen this behaviour more than once and unfortunately by virtual pilots that have been around for years. They must be extra stupid. S!

Jumoschwanz <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They Must be.
If they were that good they should have got the kill in the first pass.
Sounds like he lost his advantage & got all girlie about & I bet this is what he reads.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or are they just trying to upset the pilot using the right tactic and make him turn back and fight?
If I recall properly Boyington during his fighter sweeps at Rabaul teased the Japanes over the radio to make them clim toward the Corsairs: guess how it ended up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S!

LilHorse
04-04-2005, 08:42 AM
Pffftt!!!111one! Anybody who whines like that is a schmuck. That's how it went in RL. If you were in trouble and you had the ability you ran away. Survival was the name of the game. Especially when you had a plane that you could dictate the terms of engagement in.

EiZ0N
04-04-2005, 08:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:


There are only two tactics you need to know:

1) When you have the ultimate advantage of speed and altitude, otherwise known as Energy, dive down, attack, and zoom back up. Make sure you conserve your energy by not pulling hard maneuvers. Otherwise, if you do not have the ultimate advantage, wait for a more favorable one.

2) If you are disadvantaged and being pursued, DIVE, head for home and call for friendly support.


Everything else is bullsh!t. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

cheers. well at least I was doing things mostly right then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I realise now that I have not been conserving my momentum very well, because I tend to pull on the stick very hard

Grisha7
04-04-2005, 09:18 AM
I have absolutely no hesitation in making a run for it. If you lose your advantage and manage to get away intact, then it's a sort of a victory in my book. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Chivas
04-04-2005, 10:40 AM
I'm constantly running for the clouds...screaming like a little girl for help. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ploughman
04-04-2005, 11:12 AM
Maybe he wanted someone to come and play with him so he could have some fun?

CWH1089
04-04-2005, 11:26 AM
clouds have become my best friends (besides my fellow pilots) especially when there are no a/c labels. i've been in fights that have lasted 10-15 minutes between myself and another guy just trying to gain the upper hand.

Tallyho1961
04-04-2005, 12:27 PM
What CWH1089 said.

I've had some of my most exciting and 'realistic-feeling' online experiences cloud-dodging a superior pilot, trying to get that crucial glimpse of movement that would give me a chance at a firing pass.

On two occasions that I can recall I was congratulated by my adversary after a long defensive flight; once after being shot down, once after a successful escape. And I've done the same.

Those defensive flights made me a better pilot and were a lot more fun than a suicidal head-on pass with all guns blazing.

Udidtoo
04-04-2005, 12:52 PM
Running for clouds/RTB when at a disadvantage=realistic flying.

Fly/fighting on your terms not the enemies = smart piloting

Name calling and expecting someone to engage you when you have the upper hand = 75% or more of the typical Airquake DF server mentality.

NorrisMcWhirter
04-04-2005, 01:42 PM
Hi,

This is the DF chestnut...and you nearly always get it from the same Spit jocks (apologies to those Spit jocks who DO have a clue).

In the most recent incident, I bnz'd a Spit and was told to 'come back and fight' because I wouldn't turn into him and his 3 circling pals (La5/something else/another Spit).

Still, you have to laugh when it happens.

Cheers,
Norris

LEXX_Luthor
04-04-2005, 05:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Radio Tokyo, infuriated, warns the Flying Tigers that if they do not abandon their unorthodox tactics, they will be "treated as guerrillas and shown no mercy whatsoever."

~ http://www.usswashington.com/dl20de41.htm
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>bad, Bad Flying Tigers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Badsight.
04-04-2005, 11:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumoschwanz:
................. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>wait wait wait , your in airquake server & your getting surprised at egotistical complainy players ?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I have seen this behaviour more than once and unfortunately by virtual pilots that have been around for years. They must be extra stupid. S! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>oh wait , i see you get it . i couldnt summarise the personality any better myself

"extra stupid"

they want the kill , its a game , they have your six , your duty is to take their shooting till your dead

they get it , why cant everybody else http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hristos
04-04-2005, 11:58 PM
Hehe, imagine some Fw pilots complaining about other planes turning too much. "Hey, coward, fly straight like a man ! Turning is for n00bs" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hmm, now that I think of it, it happens all the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

That's just the great thing about this game - diferent planes. Different planes, different approaches, different tactics. There's a reason some planes are faster while some turnfight better. Usually it is a tradeoff. Sometimes it boils down to "my daddy can beat your daddy" as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

I'm really really looking forward to what 4.0 brings.

ImpStarDuece
04-05-2005, 01:38 AM
Bah, I fly a P-47. Real men only travel in straight lines. This 'turning' nonsense is for complete amatuers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
04-05-2005, 05:59 AM
This doesnt happen to me often but I too had the old 'Run forest run' line thrown at me myself from a couple of freshly spawned enemy fighters this weekend past.

I got the very satisfying experience of rejoining my incoming wingman and then turning round and kicking his teeth in!

Moral of the story is?

Careful what you wish for it may come back and bite you.

Hristos
04-05-2005, 06:17 AM
Given the relative differences in IQ, it would be more appropriate to call out "Turn, Forest, turn !" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

geetarman
04-05-2005, 12:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chivas:
I'm constantly running for the clouds...screaming like a little girl for help. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL- Yeah, only those times when you're not filling my Mustang with lead!

Wasp38

geetarman
04-05-2005, 12:23 PM
I remember once being jumped by an Oscar in a Wildcat. I broke in time and he circled around to get me again. I simply flew off. For 15 minutes this guy chased me, never gaining an inch. The taunts of "coward," "loser," etc. started, not only from him, but from pilots miles and miles away!! It was pretty funny. I finally got about 3 miles away from him, turn the Wildcat around and flew straight at him.
He pulled high, but too soon. I blew his plane in half with the .50's in a perfect nose-high head-on shot.

F19_Ob
04-05-2005, 01:22 PM
I was once attacked by 3 messers in my Hurricane2c.
I knew I couldnt outrun them so escaping was not an option so I flew in and out of clouds.
I couldn't point my guns at any of them more than a sec or so and I couldn't follow either because outside the clouds I wouldn't have a chance.
After a while the started to mock me and call me "coward" and "come out and fight" and so on.
They actually helped me because I wasn't sure if they were on comms or not but since they were writing I found out they belonged to same squad and it became more likely that they had comms.
I didnt manage to hit any of them but they got a third of my wing, the tip was gone and I tilted badly to one side but somehow I still was able to lose them when some other fighting planes came closer and I managed to land.

Felt pretty good and kind of victorious.
If I hadn't run they would have shot me down and I hate when "not so nice people" shoot me down. (The hurricane and Il-2 are the only planes I have been able to land with such big piece from the wing missing)

I vote for running. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Henkie_
04-05-2005, 05:43 PM
I can remember I was in a server playing 1 on 1 in an I16 vs a FW190A5 (it was no cockpit externals on etc.)

Whatever he tried he can not hit me also not with cockpit off. And after some BnZ attacks, the guy complains that I keep running away from him. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I think he didn't know that the I16 can not outrun a 190A5.

But I did run him out of fuel. The dweeb thought he can make a quick kill and only took 25%. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

blakduk
04-05-2005, 08:07 PM
I agree with EdNavar- sounds like they are pathetically attempting to get you to turn back into them as they realise you have escaped.
It happens in sport all the time- a few well placed taunts can throw a person off their game. It doesnt win you friends though.