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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 06:20 AM
My god, the P-40 is the biggest peace of SH in the game as it stands now. ITs BUGGY BUGGY BUGGY. Tonight is the first time I really tried to play with the P-40. Its impossible. It has so many faults and bugs, its unreal!!! I normally stand behind Oleg, but how can you release a game with the P-40 this way Oleg? I know the patch will fix it, but man. I was a beta tester at Interplay, and I would NEVER, NEVER EVER let a game be released with an aircraft this porked! The FM is so bad, its what we would call a "show stopper" in beta testing. How did nobody pick up on this?

#1, the fluttering that starts at 500KPH EXACTLY!!!
#2, when in the 500KPH+ flutter, your aircraft will NOT slow down unless you are in a high angle climb. I was in a shalow climb with the throttle at 10%, and I was still gaining speed! Even with flaps down, I gained speed!!!!!! 10% throttle, about 10-15% climb, combat flaps, and my aircraft accellerated to 680KPH from 530KPH when I entered the flutter. No boom, but I have seen that.
#3, The DM on this thing is just horrible. Hitting the aircraft with anything anywere will disable it totally. I was hit by an 109 F2's GMs' 3 times. 3 bullete strikes disabled my rudder, elivator, and alaron. 50% of the deaths are PK's on the first hit. A 20MM hit anywere will explode it. I read WWII SOVIET PILOT ACCOUNTS on how tough the aircraft is. WTF?

I have a video of all 3 happening in a single player game. God I hope the patch is out soon. I was taking a brake from modeling the P-80 to have some fun. That was not fun.

Gib

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 06:20 AM
My god, the P-40 is the biggest peace of SH in the game as it stands now. ITs BUGGY BUGGY BUGGY. Tonight is the first time I really tried to play with the P-40. Its impossible. It has so many faults and bugs, its unreal!!! I normally stand behind Oleg, but how can you release a game with the P-40 this way Oleg? I know the patch will fix it, but man. I was a beta tester at Interplay, and I would NEVER, NEVER EVER let a game be released with an aircraft this porked! The FM is so bad, its what we would call a "show stopper" in beta testing. How did nobody pick up on this?

#1, the fluttering that starts at 500KPH EXACTLY!!!
#2, when in the 500KPH+ flutter, your aircraft will NOT slow down unless you are in a high angle climb. I was in a shalow climb with the throttle at 10%, and I was still gaining speed! Even with flaps down, I gained speed!!!!!! 10% throttle, about 10-15% climb, combat flaps, and my aircraft accellerated to 680KPH from 530KPH when I entered the flutter. No boom, but I have seen that.
#3, The DM on this thing is just horrible. Hitting the aircraft with anything anywere will disable it totally. I was hit by an 109 F2's GMs' 3 times. 3 bullete strikes disabled my rudder, elivator, and alaron. 50% of the deaths are PK's on the first hit. A 20MM hit anywere will explode it. I read WWII SOVIET PILOT ACCOUNTS on how tough the aircraft is. WTF?

I have a video of all 3 happening in a single player game. God I hope the patch is out soon. I was taking a brake from modeling the P-80 to have some fun. That was not fun.

Gib

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 06:33 AM
Gosh Gib.
I know the "Spontaneous Curtiss Combustion" thing is a pain, but the P-40 otherwise is a great aircraft.
I can outfight anything from the Chaika to the Yak3 and virtually ANY German A/C is toast with the P-40.
Bugs, yes. Unflyable, hardly.

Hope you have better luck after the patch, and PS, your P-38 makes my mouth water!
S!
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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 06:36 AM
well the p40 is fun if you are only fighting other P40's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

then everyone is in a fragile unstable slow accelerating crate that has a viscous spin with the only plus the ability to "spray and pray" tons of .50 cal wantonly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

but "all P40" matches are kinda fun http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 06:40 AM
Meh, bugs are always present, take another UBI game for example, Raven Shield.

XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 06:43 AM
You're so wrong about the P-40, Gibbage it hurts. I've been flying the thing almost exclusvely online for a few weeks now (don't tell my F4) and it rocks. Maybe you got hit with a lucky shot or something but this plane absorbs lead like a FW-190 wearing a chobham vest. I've come home with tail-planes missing, rudders missing and the holes in the wings you could fit a B-1 through. She's undeniably slow but will tie just about every other aircraft in knots if they're dumb enough to mix it up with you at close range.

Yeah the explosion bug is annoying but you just work round it. It's easy. You have to adapt. Couple of tips....don't bother with the "M" version - it's faster and more powerful but that's all. Go with the Field Mod. It turns better and the engine is less prone to overheat. Leave the radiator open (drag is hardly an issue at the speeds you reach) and set the throttle to 90%. Sorted.

Keep plugging away. It's a nightmare at first but soon she'll reveal herself to you. Patience grasshopper.


Lixma,

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 06:46 AM
Yea, the p40 stall are deadly (and I thought the old P-39 stalls were bad!), I don't know how to get out of them even with 2000 meters of altitude.

I cut throttle and use only opposite rudder of stall and it never pulls out.

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 06:57 AM
i enjoy the challenge of the p-40

flies how i imagine a real plane to fly - gentle on stick - can't yank it around.

dive bug is annoying for sure!

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 06:58 AM
meet Gibbage the Whiner /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 07:04 AM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- My god, the P-40 is the biggest peace of SH in the
- game as it stands now. ITs BUGGY BUGGY BUGGY.
- Tonight is the first time I really tried to play
- with the P-40. Its impossible. It has so many
- faults and bugs, its unreal!!! I normally stand
- behind Oleg, but how can you release a game with the
- P-40 this way Oleg? I know the patch will fix it,
- but man. I was a beta tester at Interplay, and I
- would NEVER, NEVER EVER let a game be released with
- an aircraft this porked! The FM is so bad, its what
- we would call a "show stopper" in beta testing. How
- did nobody pick up on this?
-
- #1, the fluttering that starts at 500KPH EXACTLY!!!
-
-
- #2, when in the 500KPH+ flutter, your aircraft will
- NOT slow down unless you are in a high angle climb.
- I was in a shalow climb with the throttle at 10%,
- and I was still gaining speed! Even with flaps
- down, I gained speed!!!!!! 10% throttle, about
- 10-15% climb, combat flaps, and my aircraft
- accellerated to 680KPH from 530KPH when I entered
- the flutter. No boom, but I have seen that.
- #3, The DM on this thing is just horrible. Hitting
- the aircraft with anything anywere will disable it
- totally. I was hit by an 109 F2's GMs' 3 times. 3
- bullete strikes disabled my rudder, elivator, and
- alaron. 50% of the deaths are PK's on the first
- hit. A 20MM hit anywere will explode it. I read
- WWII SOVIET PILOT ACCOUNTS on how tough the aircraft
- is. WTF?
-
- I have a video of all 3 happening in a single player
- game. God I hope the patch is out soon. I was
- taking a brake from modeling the P-80 to have some
- fun. That was not fun.
-
All due respects, Gibbage. You da man. However, didn't you also just recently post a message telling people to lay off the whole "when's the patch due" issue?


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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 07:18 AM
Online, yes. Offline? It fly's totally differant offline. I have flown it online and have not found any of these problems. They seem tough (prone to engine being shot out), but not nearly as bad as I found flying a few missions in single player. I love the things firepower, and it will out turn almost anything, but man. You get hit by anything, your going down.

Gib

Lixma wrote:
- You're so wrong about the P-40, Gibbage it hurts.
- I've been flying the thing almost exclusvely online

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 07:19 AM
That message is for the people who are demanding the patch out now. I hope its released soon yes, but I am not demanding it out now.

Gib

Aardvark892 wrote:
-
- All due respects, Gibbage. You da man. However,
- didn't you also just recently post a message telling
- people to lay off the whole "when's the patch due"
- issue?
-
-
-

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 07:24 AM
She is actually pretty damn good in the vertical also, except against the 109.
Easy on the stick, keep your speed up, use rudder to avoid skidding (and stalling).
I agree about the damage model. Real P-40's were WAAAAAY tougher, I hope the patch fixes it. I bet it will.
S!
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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 07:58 AM
it is but its still descent, I fly the p40 alot online just because its the toughest plane to fly in the game and makes flying anything else the easiest thing in the world. with the p40 im able to score 1500 in about 2hrs the guns are definatly powerful and the stalls arent too bad with the E model which i use mostly

and that 45 prop pitch and trottle back not exploding is bull,


p40s worst enemy i153 and i16 online you can shoot all yoru ammo into them when sneaking up on thier 6 and they keep smiling,

everything else seems destroyable


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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 08:19 AM
Yeah I hear ya gib, but what can you do? I just started flying the P-47 big time and getting a thrill off it, hope the patch can get this thing over 300 mph.

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 08:31 AM
I think you will see that the P-40 and P-47 will be the most improved planes after the patch, they should be. This is just my guess. I agree with Gibbage though, I posted the same thing months ago about the P-40 being the most fragile plane in the game. Then again I can't recall if I ever flew this dog online or not. The top speed of this bird is goofed beyond belief, like the Yak-9 (without using supercharger position 2 at low altitude). Like I said though, I am pretty confident that the P-40 and P-47 will have a new following after the patch. Here's hoping anyway.

Oh, and I agree with LS, the P-40E is alot better than the P-40M. Much more forgiving.

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Message Edited on 07/09/0307:34AM by kyrule2

XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 08:33 AM
TAW_Jenikov wrote:
- Meh, bugs are always present, take another UBI game
- for example, Raven Shield.
-
-

oh yeah, everyone is talking about it

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 09:42 AM
Thats funny. I play Raven Shield a LOT. Single player and at lan party's and its one of the most stable games I have ever played!!!! I have not found a bug yet. In FB, the P-40, P-47, and Hurricane are the only bugs I have yet to see, and the P-47 and Hurricane are not really "critical". But the P-40, like I said, is what we call a "show stopper".

Gib

BaldieJr wrote:
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- TAW_Jenikov wrote:
-- Meh, bugs are always present, take another UBI game
-- for example, Raven Shield.
--
--
-
- oh yeah, everyone is talking about it
-


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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 09:56 AM
Warrent Officer Sakai records, there was no tougher fighting than at Lae:

"Early in April 42, thirty of us from the Tainan Wing transferred to a new air base at Lae, on the eastern coast of New Guinea. Captain Masahisa Saito led our group to the new installation. Then began some of the fiercest air battles of the entire Pacific war. Only 180 miles away from the Allied bastion of Port Moresby, we began our new assignments by flying escort almost daily for our bombers, which flew from Rabaul to hammer the enemy installations in the critical Moresby area. No longer was the war entirely one-sided. As often as we lashed out at Moresby, Allied bombers and fighters came to attack Lae. The valour of the Allied pilots and their willingness to fight surprised us all. Whenever they attacked Lae, they were invariably intercepted and several of their planes were damaged or shot down. Our attacks on Moresby also contributed to the Allied losses. 'The willingness of the Allied pilots to engage us in combat deserves special mention here, for, regardless of the odds, their fighters were always screaming in to attack. And it is important to point out that their fighter planes were clearly inferior in performance to our own Zeros. Furthermore, almost all of our pilots were skilled air veterans, coupled with the Zero's outstanding performance, this afforded us a distinct advantage. The men we fought then were among the bravest I have ever encountered, no less so than our own pilots who, three years later, went out willingly on missions from which there was no hope of return".

Saburo Sakai refering to the P40-E Kittyhawks of the 75th Squadron Royal Australian Air Force based at Port Moresby