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msalama
03-30-2007, 04:15 AM
OK, since all kinds of whines are in fashion around here I'll jump in and add mine as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Now what's with the ground handling and TO modelling in this game??? Take the Messer f.ex. - from what I've read the bugger was quite a handful at times, what w/ that torque and the narrow-track UC and everything, but what do we have here? A Klown Kar and no mistake!

And it's not just the Willi Messerschmitt's finest either, because you see that kind of BS with many (most? all?) Red planes as well.

So what gives exactly, häh? Häh?

x6BL_Brando
03-30-2007, 04:26 AM
's funny, but I find the handling is OK - although I have been working on my takeoffs for a while now. Smooth input seems to the key...

Is your throttle sticky perhaps?

B

rnzoli
03-30-2007, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by msalama:
OK, since all kinds of whines are in fashion around here I'll jump in and add mine as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Not good, not good. Throw in some Iran, Bush, missiles, then Nazis Hitler and gays, then you get some responses.

pacettid
03-30-2007, 04:44 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by msalama:
OK, since all kinds of whines are in fashion around here I'll jump in and add mine as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Not good, not good. Throw in some Iran, Bush, missiles, then Nazis Hitler and gays, then you get some responses. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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joeap
03-30-2007, 05:23 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by msalama:
OK, since all kinds of whines are in fashion around here I'll jump in and add mine as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Not good, not good. Throw in some Iran, Bush, missiles, then Nazis Hitler and gays, then you get some responses. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hate Iran, Bush, missiles, Nazis, Hitler and gays! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Oh sorry Oleg porked ground handling why? I want my money back!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

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Abbuzze
03-30-2007, 05:45 AM
You are right!
The TO-modell or ground handling is much to easy. in FB you can firewall the throttle at the ground without any troubles in every plane...

In RL in this situation you will not ride the plane - it will ride you!

There is a cause why late spits got a double propeller which reduce performance... (not much of course). 2000hp engine at 3000rpm has a torque of 4680NM.... at 2800rpm you get 5015NM and 2200hp at 3000rpm is 5148NM.

This will flip over your plane...

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-30-2007, 06:06 AM
Comparatively the ground handling is fine. 4 years ago it seemed difficult to most who had little or no time in realistically modelled flight sims. At this point we have the benefit of almost 5 years of familiarization and, yes, ground handling is something that seems a bit easier than perhaps it should be, but it's certainly not cr4p. It's even been improved/modified slightly in a number of different patch versions.

This sim has a permanent spot on my HD, but the fact is, its developement is all but over/done. There is supposedly another patch(?) in the works, but I suspect that any major alterations to anything in this sim aren't going to happen.

Here's an idea...let's take the things we've learned about what a flight-sim should be (thanks to 1:C) and give constructive input to the developers of Knights of the Sky and BoB:SoW as we're able. They've already proven they listen to the community and in many cases make additions/adjustments accordingly.


TB

msalama
03-30-2007, 06:11 AM
Smooth input seems to the key...

Eh... no, what I meant was that the ground handling seems to be much too EASY in this game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Or maybe I misunderstood you there?

msalama
03-30-2007, 06:15 AM
Yes, comparatively, but the last time I checked people referred to this as a simulator http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

msalama
03-30-2007, 06:18 AM
Not good, not good. Throw in some Iran, Bush, missiles, then Nazis Hitler and gays, then you get some responses.

OK, as an Iranian Bush-supporting gay missile fetisist I think IL-2's AC ground handling modelling is porked. How's that?

Brain32
03-30-2007, 06:21 AM
I'm no real pilot but if it's THAT easy with real planes too, where do I send my apply form? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I also notice great differences between planes, Tempest has a lot of torque on T/O, P47 minimal, Yak's again a lot, 109's not so, FW190 has massive torque but acceleration of 1987 Lada Samara on a cold winter morning if you try to start it at 2nd gear, Spit has little torque but accelerates like F14 from an aircraft carrier(so if not careful you can simulate racing motorcycle tyre burning manouver http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif )
Did anybody try to take some planes on a country sight seeing via roads? Or NASCAR stye circles around the airfield runing on taxiways? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif It can sure be fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

rnzoli
03-30-2007, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by msalama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Not good, not good. Throw in some Iran, Bush, missiles, then Nazis Hitler and gays, then you get some responses.
OK, as an Iranian Bush-supporting gay missile fetisist I think IL-2's AC ground handling modelling is porked. How's that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree with you 100% http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

rnzoli
03-30-2007, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by Brain32:
acceleration of 1987 Lada Samara on a cold winter morning if you try to start it at 2nd gear
WHAAAT?? You have got a problem with my (former) car?!?!?!?! Grow up, be a man and learn to drive one! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

With the manual mixture control, a Lada Samara accelerates like a rocket in 2nd gear. The base RPM stays at 3000 however, even when you take away your feet from the pedal http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

msalama
03-30-2007, 12:05 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Gotta get me one of those Samarians.

OK, I think you can all see by now how absolutely _furious_ I am about this HUUUUUGE modelling error in the game! Have a nice Friday y'all, now, and take care... Just don't do anything I wouldn't http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S! all.

Brain32
03-30-2007, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
acceleration of 1987 Lada Samara on a cold winter morning if you try to start it at 2nd gear
WHAAAT?? You have got a problem with my (former) car?!?!?!?! Grow up, be a man and learn to drive one! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

With the manual mixture control, a Lada Samara accelerates like a rocket in 2nd gear. The base RPM stays at 3000 however, even when you take away your feet from the pedal http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
My buddy had one Russian Mercedes(that's how we call it here), the only thing worse than that was my 1983 Skoda 135L(Skodillac) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif now that one was amazing, every winter morning was like playing a lootery, will it start or not, place your bets people http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif It would however start nicely if you jump started it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

leitmotiv
03-30-2007, 08:36 PM
Have to go to FS9/X for realistic ground handling and takeoff. The new 109K for FSX will tear right off the tarmac if you try a full power takeoff---torque city, man.

msalama
03-31-2007, 01:13 AM
The new 109K for FSX will tear right off the tarmac if you try a full power takeoff---torque city, man.

MSFS as a platform has a much better torque and ground handling modelling, that's true, but it also has its own share of problems and omissions pertaining to hi-perf prop AC. Lack of gyroscopic effects is the first that comes to mind, and people have pointed out others, too.

None of which is to denigrate it in any manner, mind you! MSFS does some things just brilliantly, but I've still always felt it's more of a jet / GA sim than a hi-perf prop one. But its general ground handling modelling is _still_ miles better than what IL-2 has, you're right about that...

msalama
03-31-2007, 01:34 AM
Skodillac http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I once owned a 1978 Wartburg and let me tell you, that one was an experten machine too! Dead easy to fix w/ some baling wire and chewing gum though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

That two-stroke engine! The sound... brrap-pap-pap-BAM!-brrrRRRRAP-pap-pap... And the smoke! You gunned the engine once and then had to wait for the visibility to clear for a minute before... eh... accelerating http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif down the road... Ahhhh those carefree days of old when men were blockheads and machines made out of rusting iron!

I've given some serious thought lately to buying a Trabant while they're still common, BTW. What a groovy little car that one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Too bad the wife doesn't seem to let me, what with all her excuses of having no storage, etc. BAH is what I say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

But I'll get one still some day, be assured http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

msalama
03-31-2007, 01:39 AM
We perhaps getting a bit OT? Well I don't mind if you don't http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif