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MB_Avro_UK
06-04-2006, 05:50 PM
hi all,

Was Moggy a bad guy? Bit of a hero as far as I'm concerned..'Amanda??'...can't beat it.

If you've not seen the film and also if you're not British you may never understand the dark humour.

Or maybe you will..'d*** foreigners' as Moggy would have said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Feathered_IV
06-04-2006, 08:22 PM
I understand well enough. But Moggy was quite happy to kill his own when there were no Jerries about. Quite a nasty piece of work is Moggy, as CH3 said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

erco415
06-04-2006, 09:15 PM
for all the uproar that piece of cake caused, I loved it when it was on PBS. Yes, Moggy was a bad guy, but at least he was our bad guy...

Capt.England
06-05-2006, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by MB_Avro_UK:
hi all,

Was Moggy a bad guy? Bit of a hero as far as I'm concerned..'Amanda??'...can't beat it.

If you've not seen the film and also if you're not British you may never understand the dark humour.

Or maybe you will..'d*** foreigners' as Moggy would have said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Where did you get your copy from? The only place that I've found where you can buy a copy is the U.S. Amazon site (no DVD's in England, last time I looked). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
06-05-2006, 02:50 PM
Read the book, Moggy was a git.

MB_Avro_UK
06-05-2006, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by Capt.England:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MB_Avro_UK:
hi all,

Was Moggy a bad guy? Bit of a hero as far as I'm concerned..'Amanda??'...can't beat it.

If you've not seen the film and also if you're not British you may never understand the dark humour.

Or maybe you will..'d*** foreigners' as Moggy would have said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Where did you get your copy from? The only place that I've found where you can buy a copy is the U.S. Amazon site (no DVD's in England, last time I looked). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats where I bought it.Plays ok on my PC of course http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

leitmotiv
06-05-2006, 03:42 PM
The one-million pound/dollar question, MB_Avro_UK---excellent. Moggy is my favorite character, next to Barton and that fop Squadron-Leader Rex. Simply put, I believe he was included in the cast of classic types because he represents the large number of s__ts it takes to win a war. As Feathered_IV observed, he was just as capable of killing his own as theirs. Moggy is sulky, surly, hyper-competitive, a bastard, a sadist, but, in a brawl you would want him to be back to back with you. He also represents the unreconstructed jingo Englishmen who has contempt for all but himself. The American equivalent: Steve McQueen in THE WAR LOVER. Basically, in a war you need a lot of insensitive s__ts---the more the better. I've known a lot of Cattermoles in my life, and, as long as you watch your back and snarl at them occasionally to keep them in their cages, they make excellent friends.

MB_Avro_UK
06-05-2006, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The one-million pound/dollar question, MB_Avro_UK---excellent. Moggy is my favorite character, next to Barton and that fop Squadron-Leader Rex. Simply put, I believe he was included in the cast of classic types because he represents the large number of s__ts it takes to win a war. As Feathered_IV observed, he was just as capable of killing his own as theirs. Moggy is sulky, surly, hyper-competitive, a bastard, a sadist, but, in a brawl you would want him to be back to back with you. He also represents the unreconstructed jingo Englishmen who has contempt for all but himself. The American equivalent: Steve McQueen in THE WAR LOVER. Basically, in a war you need a lot of insensitive s__ts---the more the better. I've known a lot of Cattermoles in my life, and, as long as you watch your back and snarl at them occasionally to keep them in their cages, they make excellent friends.

You have hit the nail on the head !! Excellent post http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Moggy did his job. Not perhaps a nice guy but he did try to help his fellow pilots when things got slightly demanding.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

leitmotiv
06-05-2006, 04:48 PM
As one of my Moggy-ish friends put it one time, what counts in life is the guys who show up---even if you are going to get hammered. Moggy was there to the bitter end, and that's what counted. One more thing, unlike poor Flash Gordon, truly an appealing character, Moggy was impervious to emotional damage. As one character observed, Moggy sulked because he did not like being second-fiddle to anybody. As a positive, he played the game---he wasn't a freelancer.

Cheers and thanks MB_Avro,
leitmotiv

RCAF_Irish_403
06-05-2006, 07:39 PM
OK...whats a Moggy?

FltLt_HardBall
06-05-2006, 08:33 PM
I got the DVD set from Amazon. I enjoyed the story, but I have an HD TV and the VHS-quality format looked pretty crappy and spoiled it for me somewhat.

It's also looking a little dated these days. With no CGI at that time, the special effects are somewhat limited. The Buchon 109s were disappionting, too.

Maybe I'm being too harsh; it was good for its day, I guess. Dark Blue World is much more satisfying visually IMO, which I guess reflects the difference in age between the two productions.

leitmotiv
06-05-2006, 10:50 PM
Moggy is English slang for a non-purebred cat---pun on his name Cattermole.

Banger2004
06-07-2006, 03:24 PM
I just love the way Steele-Stebbing got his revenge on Moggy with the Port-a-Loo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Does'nt hurt to put a bully in his place now and again (I refer to the book of course).

SeaFireLIV
06-07-2006, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The one-million pound/dollar question, MB_Avro_UK---excellent. Moggy is my favorite character, next to Barton and that fop Squadron-Leader Rex. Simply put, I believe he was included in the cast of classic types because he represents the large number of s__ts it takes to win a war. As Feathered_IV observed, he was just as capable of killing his own as theirs. Moggy is sulky, surly, hyper-competitive, a bastard, a sadist, but, in a brawl you would want him to be back to back with you. He also represents the unreconstructed jingo Englishmen who has contempt for all but himself. The American equivalent: Steve McQueen in THE WAR LOVER. Basically, in a war you need a lot of insensitive s__ts---the more the better. I've known a lot of Cattermoles in my life, and, as long as you watch your back and snarl at them occasionally to keep them in their cages, they make excellent friends.

Very true. You can`t be too sensitive if you hope to get on with such guys, but, if you can stick them and their ways out, you might just see a decent bloke underneath.

leitmotiv
06-08-2006, 08:39 AM
If you have to fight, you don't want people devoted to being nice on your side. Besides, the Moggy-types on your side and the enemy's side would kill all of them off in various ways.

jamesdietz
06-08-2006, 12:36 PM
Bad ...?No just misunderstood...or as I overheard someone in Hornet Squadron's ready room;"Not at all our sort..."

MB_Avro_UK
06-08-2006, 05:45 PM
ok..summary of 'Moggy'.

In one of the final scenes (Moggy was a professional no-nonsense RAF BoB pilot) had a confrontation at dispersal/standby with a Czech pilot over politics.

'Moggy' instigated the confrontation as a matter of 'fun'(Brits are often guilty of this), at which the Czech pilot jumped on him and had to be restrained by fellow pilots.

'Moggy' dusted himself off and exclaimed 'Bloody foreigners,should be shot at birth'.

A scene later,'Moggy' was doing his best to help the Czech guy in a dog-fight...

There are other similar instances in the film.

'Moggy' maybe not the guy you want as a guest at your family party but if in a tight spot he's the type that would stand by you and NOT expect any thanks.

Buy the DVD.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

leitmotiv
06-08-2006, 05:49 PM
Right, I believe it's called "taking the p--s" out of somebody. Until you realize its part of the game, and reverse is fair play, it is startling. Moggy was a master practitioner!

Jasko76
06-08-2006, 06:13 PM
Yeah, the guy gets all filled up with german bullets and all he can say is: "oh, bugger!". An yes, he was a bad guy, a bully, but he was an effective fighting machine.

MB_Avro_UK
06-08-2006, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by Jasko76:
Yeah, the guy gets all filled up with german bullets and all he can say is: "oh, bugger!". An yes, he was a bad guy, a bully, but he was an effective fighting machine.

Yes,in many ways you are correct...

But his humour was typically British.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Padser
06-09-2006, 03:21 AM
~S~

He is selfish, certainly. And arguably a nasty piece of work... But then, the story shows the English officer pilots in a poor light in a number of ways - not least of all in their snobbery and class prejudice...

But there are moments in the story where Moggy displays a human side.

I forget the details now but one of the other pilots is badly wounded (his hand is flapping around at the end of his wrist after a cannon hit) and is understandably in difficulties.

Moggy escorts him down ('I'll show you the way in if you can work the doings...') and stays with him all the way down to the ground.

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