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Waldo.Pepper
08-20-2009, 01:12 AM
You'd think that with the plane in use until 1943 the Germans would have issued reports on encountering some. Especially after having the chance to lift up her skirts after this one was brought down on the continent.

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Has anyone read an account of a Luftwaffe pilot having encountered/seen/shot at - anything with regard to a Whirlwind? Or a technical bulletin of some sort? Thanks.

Waldo.Pepper
08-20-2009, 01:12 AM
You'd think that with the plane in use until 1943 the Germans would have issued reports on encountering some. Especially after having the chance to lift up her skirts after this one was brought down on the continent.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/book/ww.jpg

Has anyone read an account of a Luftwaffe pilot having encountered/seen/shot at - anything with regard to a Whirlwind? Or a technical bulletin of some sort? Thanks.

WTE_Galway
08-20-2009, 01:22 AM
From another thread ...

# 263 was the first operational squadron, however delays in Peregrine production meant they only had 8 Whirlwinds by October 1940. They operated from Exeter and St Eval on offensive fighter and convoy escort, being joined by No 137 Squadron from September 1941.

The Whirlwind was then converted to a Fighter-Bomber and could carry 2 500 or 250 lb bombs. It was very successful in offensive sweeps over France, but only 114 production a/c were produced by January 1942.


----> Does not seem to have been a lot of them operational, might be tricky to find accounts.

Waldo.Pepper
08-20-2009, 01:36 AM
Of course I realize the service history of the aircraft. But there were reports by the British of encountering Heinkel 100. And there weren't any of them in service.

Even a miss identification by the Germans, along these lines, I would be pleased to find.

jeffmorgan_947
08-20-2009, 01:45 AM
When the German warships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau made their dash up the English channel on the 12th Feb 1942. RAF 137 Squadron sent 6 Westland Whirlwinds to carry out a recon off the Belgian coast,they where intercepted by 20 109s of Jagdgeschwader 2 all 6 Whirlwinds failed to return.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-20-2009, 01:46 AM
There are kill claims in German squadron records, but I've never seen German technical data or after action reports.

ImpStarDuece
08-20-2009, 02:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jeffmorgan_947:
When the German warships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau made their dash up the English channel on the 12th Feb 1942. RAF 137 Squadron sent 6 Westland Whirlwinds to carry out a recon off the Belgian coast,they where intercepted by 20 109s of Jagdgeschwader 2 all 6 Whirlwinds failed to return. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More on the Whirlwind losses:

There are conflicting account whether it was four or six losses on 12-Feb-1942. I'm inclined to go with four, from the reports and accounts I can find online. I'll have to check my RAF loss lists at home to be certain.

It seems that 137 Squadron were actually tasked with recon and escort, completely unassociated with the 'Channel Dash'. They were to escort five destroyers of the 16th and 21st Destroyer Flotillas back from the Belgian coast. Four Whirlwinds - Warrant Officer Robertson and Flight Sergeant Mercer in Red Section, and Pilot Officer Haggberg with Pilot Officer DeHoux in Blue section - were assigned the mission.

Unable to find the British destroyers, they spotted the German ships and flew lower to investigate, upon which they were bounced by Bf-109s. Two of the Whirlwinds (Haggberg and Robertson) were shot down, while Mercer and DeHoux escaped into cloud, one apparently with a damaged engine.

Two other 137 Sqdn Whirlwinds were lost later during an attack on Gneisenau with Pilot Officer Martin (7106) and Pilot Officer Sandy shot down, one by fighters and one by shipborne flak.

German claims were for four Whirlwinds by fighters and two by the Gneisenau.

Waldo.Pepper
08-20-2009, 02:38 AM
Thanks fellas. I found claims. Egon Mayer even claimed one. I wonder why none of them (it would seem) ever wrote anything about encountering such a rare plane. I wonder what they though of her as an opponent.

PanzerAce
08-20-2009, 02:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
Of course I realize the service history of the aircraft. But there were reports by the British of encountering Heinkel 100. And there weren't any of them in service.

Even a miss identification by the Germans, along these lines, I would be pleased to find. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There weren't any -100s in general service, yes, but my impression was that the ones that had been built were tasked to local defense of the Heinkel factory, and were all shot down either during, or by, the time of the raid that destroyed the 'prints and tooling for further production.