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womenfly
12-20-2005, 06:37 AM
<span class="ev_code_PINK">The ultimate World War-1 simulation coming soon?
Does anyone have anymore info on this they can share with us.
Is this going to be available in the USA?
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http://www.gennadich.com/img/dev/scr1a.jpg
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<span class="ev_code_PINK">Many more pictures to view, click on link:
Gennadich Team (English) (http://www.gennadich.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1500)</span>

stathem
12-20-2005, 06:53 AM
They're certainly cracking on with this at quite a pace..

There is an english language section Here (http://www.gennadich.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1500)

Monty_Thrud
12-20-2005, 07:00 AM
Looking good...although i'm not a massive WW1 aviation fan...this is starting to grab my attention...i wonder if the sound engine has been improved? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MrBlueSky1960
12-20-2005, 07:08 AM
Is this going to be available in the USA?

Yes, but you'll get it two years after everyone else... To be historically correct...
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Saunders1953
12-20-2005, 07:14 AM
Dibs on the Red Baron!

womenfly
12-20-2005, 07:28 AM
More links to Common Questions on Gennadich forum;
1. General Forum (http://www.gennadich.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1504)
2. They need your help on info of WW-1 Aircraft. (http://www.gennadich.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1520)

neural_dream
12-20-2005, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by MrBlueSky1960:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Is this going to be available in the USA?

Yes, but you'll get it two years after everyone else... To be historically correct...
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Kuna15
12-20-2005, 07:34 AM
Thanks for update.

BSS_Goat
12-20-2005, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrBlueSky1960:
[QUOTE]Is this going to be available in the USA?

Yes, but you'll get it two years after everyone else... To be historically correct...
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Yeah, maybe our influx of money and manpower will again save the day.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Jarza_Death_Man
12-20-2005, 08:05 AM
Im surely waitng this game to come. I hawe beeing wondering where is good WW1 flight sim. Hope this will be good as Sturmovik. They surely has good
change to do so.

FliegerAas
12-20-2005, 09:26 AM
Looks nice! BTW, speaking of the red Baron:be sure to check this site!!
WW1 and the red Baron (http://www.namco.com/games/snoopy)

p-11.cAce
12-20-2005, 01:16 PM
I can't wait for this one either - I hope the ground detailing is as good as the objects as much of WWI combat flying was low level patrol & hedge-hopping http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

woofiedog
12-20-2005, 02:24 PM
p-11.cAce... The aircraft and flight modeling is Very Good in Over Flander Fields... and the Ground Objects are Excellent.
Overall it's a Blast if you like Bi-Planes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p-11.cAce
12-27-2005, 08:25 AM
Its funny - my two favorite flights sims are flying cr@p planes in PF & button pushing in Falcon 4.0AF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I just can't get into the high altitude dogfighting that most here go so crazy for. I am looking fwd to this WWI sim very much!

Bearcat99
12-27-2005, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
Looking good...although i'm not a massive WW1 aviation fan...this is starting to grab my attention...i wonder if the sound engine has been improved? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Try runnng a few QMs with the biplanes in FB.. it is certainly a different feel.... pretty nice actually.

I hope the system for skinning the planes is more like FB than in LOMAC.

jamesdietz
12-27-2005, 09:49 AM
In the meantime there's good news for WW-1 fans : A freedownload ( & a big one) of "Over Flander's Fields "at:http://off.oldbrowndog.net/
It works well & looks good too.Beautiful menu screens as well!
The bad new? You have to have a clean install of CFS3 to make it go...

Zeus-cat
12-27-2005, 12:01 PM
I have never been much of a WWI sim fan either, but those planes look darn good. The armor looks even better. Count me in.

The engine sound is great. The engine start sounded great and the slight stutter that was in there after the engine was up and running was a nice touch.

Zeus-cat

Beuf_Ninja
12-27-2005, 12:22 PM
Looks freakin' sweet. I must fly that tri-plane!

Markku38
12-27-2005, 01:23 PM
Amazing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Well, I was hooked when playing Red Baron 2 and really waiting this sim.

When my new CFS3 comes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif because old is broken http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif I can install OFF mod and wait this sim... still forget Eastern front http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Oh that old memories when listening that Fokker engine - in RB2 there are engine roaming, church bell ringing when fly over towns, air raid sirens on the aerodome and flak - no radio messages...like "What the h***, stay on leaders course!!!" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

F19_Olli72
12-29-2005, 03:57 AM
I see they're working on the Gotha. Thats awesome! Dare we hope for... flyable Zeppelins! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hawgdog
12-29-2005, 09:02 AM
hopeful bump

woofiedog
12-29-2005, 09:14 AM
F19_Olli72... The Zeppelin is flyable in OFF. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
12-29-2005, 09:15 AM
I'll get it certainly. The best WWI sim I have is the aged Red Baron II from Sierra. My HD (as well as my WWI habit) could use a nice 'fix'.


TB

TX-Gunslinger
12-29-2005, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
I just can't get into the high altitude dogfighting that most here go so crazy for. I am looking fwd to this WWI sim very much!

- So what's high altitude for you?

Here's an account by James Byford McCudden, VC, 57 air victories between 1914 and 1918 in BE-2 and SE-5 aircraft.
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Excerpts from January 28th 1918

"On 28 January 1918 my machine was ready, having been fitted with my special high-compression pistons, and as the engine gave many more revolutions on the test bench than did the standard 200 hp Hispano, my hopes of surpassing the Maybach-Rumpler looked like materializing.

The morning was pleasant and I left the ground at 9:30 A.M. As soon as I opened the throttle I could feel the increase in power as the fuselage at my back pressed me forward hard in it's endeavour to go ahead quickly. After I had left the ground, the increase of my machines climb was very apparent, and although I will not mention exact figures, I was up to 10,000 feet in a little more in minutes than there are days in the week. After that mornings patrol, during which I had several indecisive fights, I knew that my machine was now a good deal superior to anything the enemy had in the air, and I was very pleased that my experiment, of which I had entirely taken the responsiblity, had proved an absolute success.

On the last day of January I was alone at 19,000 feet over Cambrai when I saw below and west of me a patrol of 5 Hun scouts at about 14,000 feet over Bourlon Wood. I thought that if I lept on them quickly and then got away that I should at least get one of them before I had to run to the lines, for whilst on my flights I had to be very diplomatic as to whom, how and where I attacked, for I had to live up to my doctrine, which is to down as many as possible of the enemy at the least risk and casualties to one's own side.

Down I went, and quickly got behind the leader, into whom I fired a burst at very close range [McCudden predated Eric Hartmann's mastery of the Boom and Zoom 25 years earlier]. He at once went down vertically with pieces of three-ply wood falling off his fuselage [Albatross I assume], and he was seen to strike the ground by our Archie gunners. I had'nt had time to watch him as I was fighting four more scouts now, and had my attention very fully occupied. However I got into position behind a Pflaz, and after a short burst from the good old Vickers, he went down in a spiral dive and crashed also."

Later

"During the winter months, I had been fighting very high, always in fact above 16,000 feet, and I ask you to try and realise what it is like flying 20,000 feet at one hundred miles an hour for two hours at a stretch in the very midst of winter."

Later on,

"We allowed the Bristols a certain time to get their height and cross the lines, and then we went over a few miles south half an hour later. We crossed the lines at 16,000 feet over Bantouzelle, and then flew due east.

I have never seen so many Huns over the lines as that morning, for the visibility was good, and the old Hun always pushes up all his available machines ona day of good atmospheric clearness at a certain time in order to gain temporary command of the air over a certain sector for just half an hour or so.

I now perceived a Rumpler a little east of my formation, and above, just hoarding up plenty of height to go over our lines on long reconnaissance. The Rumpler came toward us, no doubt thinking we were German scouts, for we were over fifteen miles east of the trenches, and then percieving his mistake, he turned off east, nose down, and I went off in pursuit. Slowly, I caught up with him, for the Maybach-Rumplers were undoubtably very fast and having got into position, fired a good long burst from both guns, after which the two-seaters nose dropped vertically. Then all his four wings fell of and scattered to a thousand pieces and the fuselage went down with the speed of a meteor, it's engine emitting volumes of blue smoke."

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So before oxygen and parachutes, seems McCudden had mastered the highest scoring techniques in air warfare. Of course, so had Boelke, Von Richtofen, and many more. Boom and Zoom, was discovered and developed in WWI.

It's amazing to me how much the Allied patrols into German territory during WWI sound like the Luftwaffe patrols into Russian territory during WWII.

Anyway, so much for low altitude dogfights. The principles of air warfare and physics still apply.

S~

darkhorizon11
12-29-2005, 12:20 PM
Thanks, great story there the thing that really blows me away are that they are open cockpit aircraft... which means there is no auxillary oxygen supply for the pilots! The zone of normal operation for humans extends up to 10,000 MSL. After that hypoxia will set it incidously. 16,000 feeet isn't too high but still, long exposures will affect your vision, reaction time, and your overall performance. Quite impressive indeed!

Flakwalker
12-29-2005, 12:32 PM
Nice news, they recently posted images of a Gotha bomber:
http://www.gennadich.com/img/dev/scr12f.jpg

Flakwalker
12-31-2005, 02:58 PM
I wonder if the Fokker D.VIII will be available, considered as some people as a ´19 aircraft (some kind of WW1 Luft´46).
However it was used late in the war.

ploughman
12-31-2005, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
Thanks, great story there the thing that really blows me away are that they are open cockpit aircraft... which means there is no auxillary oxygen supply for the pilots! The zone of normal operation for humans extends up to 10,000 MSL. After that hypoxia will set it incidously. 16,000 feeet isn't too high but still, long exposures will affect your vision, reaction time, and your overall performance. Quite impressive indeed!

I did a bit of Himalayan trekking a while ago, getting up to about 5,700 metres and to think those pilots were operating at altitudes above that, without aclimatisation, physically manhandling their aircraft, is just astonishing. About all I could manage at those heights was one foot infront of the other in a kind of euphoric daze. Apoxia is no joke, feels great though

Cworth
12-31-2005, 03:16 PM
This is looking promising..
As long as it has close to the numbers of aircraft flyable as Red Baron II had I will be hooked.

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-31-2005, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by Flakwalker:
I wonder if the Fokker D.VIII will be available, considered as some people as a ´19 aircraft (some kind of WW1 Luft´46).
However it was used late in the war.

As long as I get a Westland Wagtail http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/history_wagtail.jpg

ElAurens
12-31-2005, 03:40 PM
20,000ft. without oxygen?

Sure. For how long? 2 minutes? 5?

Not buying it.

Flakwalker
12-31-2005, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:

As long as I get a Westland Wagtail http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/history_wagtail.jpg

It is 3 kph slower than the D.VIII so there wont be any problem http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.bealmear.com/dawn_patrol/images/poston_DVIII_1.jpg

ploughman
12-31-2005, 03:47 PM
So it attacks from up wind, in Western Europe the prevailing wind is a westerly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Flakwalker
01-01-2006, 03:09 PM
However on speed the Spad XIII is the best, acording to Jane´s: 218-222 kph.

mortoma
01-01-2006, 03:29 PM
Some in here are making a big deal about the altitudes these guys flew to without supplemental oxygen but if you do it a lot you get more and more used to it over time. I've climbed to as high as 16,000 ft. in the S.A. Andes and it didn't bother me noticably. But then again I'm live in the western US and have spent a lot of time above 5,000 ft. so I'm used to higher altitudes than most. So 16,000 ft. to me would be like 10,000 ft. to someone who lives their lives at sea level. The highest I've ever been here in the states is 12,000 ft.

Kapteeni
01-01-2006, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
Some in here are making a big deal about the altitudes these guys flew to without supplemental oxygen but if you do it a lot you get more and more used to it over time. I've climbed to as high as 16,000 ft. in the S.A. Andes and it didn't bother me noticably. But then again I'm live in the western US and have spent a lot of time above 5,000 ft. so I'm used to higher altitudes than most. So 16,000 ft. to me would be like 10,000 ft. to someone who lives their lives at sea level. The highest I've ever been here in the states is 12,000 ft.
I`ve seen Aussie trekker dying at Himalayas (Annapurna sanctuary) because he wanted to make the trail from 1500m to 4500m in just 2 days. The NOOB run all the time and when he reeched Annapurna Basecamp he just collapsed with lungs full of snot. There was nothing to do. They had to take his body down with helicopter. For us, it took about 1 week to do the same!! Acclimatization is The thing! So, i guess those ww1 pilots were used to be in those altitudes

DxyFlyr
01-01-2006, 06:06 PM
This discussion reminds me of a family friend when I was young that flew in WW1. My brothers might remember what he flew and for who, but I was really young and don't recall. I do remember him saying that they often had problems with rats chewing the important bits inside the fuselage. You could hear them chewing in the hangar.

When this happened, he said the easiest way to rectify the problem was to take the birds up really high to starve the rats of oxygen... (and pray that they hadn't chewed through something vital on the way up).

The next week or two the planes smelled really great. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Zeus-cat
01-01-2006, 09:36 PM
Acclimitization is important, but there is a certain point where it doesn't matter. Somewhat irrelevant to a WWI fighter pilot anyway, they didn't spend enough time at a high altitude to acclimitize.

Zeus-cat

PBNA-Boosher
01-01-2006, 11:16 PM
Bah! I want my RAF Se.5a!

fordfan25
01-01-2006, 11:24 PM
i demand a flyble f4u-4 for those late war online fights http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

fordfan25
01-01-2006, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by Flakwalker:
I wonder if the Fokker D.VIII will be available, considered as some people as a ´19 aircraft (some kind of WW1 Luft´46).
However it was used late in the war.

o im sure if its some kinda rare or never used german fighter we will have it in the hundreds online ehhehehe

Duncan_Doenitz
01-02-2006, 12:57 PM
Its great to see replacements for Red Baron II / Red Baron 3D finally reaching completion!

Regarding supplemental oxygen in WWI, some pilots did use oxygen generators late in the war...

From Major R S Dallas' log, Jan 23 1917: "Tested oxygen set and went to 26,000 feet. Very curious sensation I got drunk with oxygen and could hardly recognise the country below me. I was frost bitten when coming down and got it badly."

There are photos of late WWI planes with oxygen generators hanging outside the cockpits, especially the German planes, both fighters and bombers.

Dunc

Flakwalker
01-02-2006, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Flakwalker:
I wonder if the Fokker D.VIII will be available, considered as some people as a ´19 aircraft (some kind of WW1 Luft´46).
However it was used late in the war.

o im sure if its some kinda rare or never used german fighter we will have it in the hundreds online ehhehehe </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That for sure if not locked properlly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

There are some threads about if the .50 cal can destroy a Tiger. Well, there will be some threads about if the Spandau can destroy a tank, in fact Udet did that when flying a Fokker D.VII .

ElAurens
01-02-2006, 04:20 PM
The real problem with a well done WW1 sim is that most of you lot will fly it using late WW2 tactics, and ruin it for those of us who want a proper gentlemenly dogfight.

This is a fact.

F19_Olli72
01-02-2006, 05:07 PM
More importantly...will these be modelled as well?:
http://www.earlyaviator.com/archive/b/images2/Fraulein_Sanke5001.jpg
http://members.shaw.ca/flyingaces/images1/Sanke5001_FrauleinFlieger.jpg

FeiHu
01-02-2006, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
The real problem with a well done WW1 sim is that most of you lot will fly it using late WW2 tactics, and ruin it for those of us who want a proper gentlemenly dogfight.

This is a fact. BUMP!

Flakwalker
01-03-2006, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
The real problem with a well done WW1 sim is that most of you lot will fly it using late WW2 tactics, and ruin it for those of us who want a proper gentlemenly dogfight.

This is a fact.

Like take an Albatros D.V and make energy tactics?

ElAurens
01-03-2006, 09:08 PM
Something like that yeah.

I'm sure it will be just like FB/PF, the early war scenarios and planesets will be far more fun, and the later stuff will be populated by point *****s and luftwaffles.

Just my opinion.

XyZspineZyX
01-04-2006, 05:49 AM
All I can say gents gent into practice with Over Flanders Fields. Its brilliant & very hard
not for the faint hearted.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Flakwalker
01-05-2006, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Something like that yeah.

I'm sure it will be just like FB/PF, the early war scenarios and planesets will be far more fun, and the later stuff will be populated by point *****s and luftwaffles.

Just my opinion.

That could be posible but I think a WW1 sim will force dogfights without WW2 tactics. For example the WW1 aircraft dont have any armor, no parachutes, slow (by WW2 standards) and high maneuverable. Doing energy tactics will expose you more time in front of your oponent because aceleration where slower on such planes.

airjunkie
01-05-2006, 01:45 PM
First please complete the task at hand.

IL2 WW2 & patches http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

neural_dream
01-05-2006, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by airjunkie:
First please complete the task at hand.
IL2 WW2 & patches http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif It's not the same company. Gennadich is developing the WW1 one.

Hawk_345678
02-11-2007, 09:13 AM
guys i just found this topic, could some1 post the site for this game and if it will be realeased soon, also is this an addon for il2 or a stand alone game, it looks great, ive been wating so long for a really good ww1 sim, i just love those old planes and in ww1 was the war that still had honor, especially in the skys.

fuzzychickens
02-11-2007, 09:20 AM
The baron's plane is an overmodeled clown wagon!

I figure we need to get a jump on that subject now...

Heavy_Metal1982
02-11-2007, 09:42 AM
Just to let up on the confusion, is that KOTS is not based on the IL2 engine anymore. If you look on the forums they have stated that they were starting to use the IL2 engine but found that they could do more if they used a different engine. Not sure if they delevoped one on their own or used other engine, but it is for sure that this isn't based on the IL2 engine anymore.

Here's the link to the official site:

http://www.gennadich.com/

I'm looking forward to this sim very much, and if you go on to the official forums the developers are quite dedicated on making a realisic simulation (not arcade) for all of us to enjoy.

Hawk_345678
02-11-2007, 10:34 AM
ok thank you for the reply, i cant wait fro this to be realeased becasue it seems to be the best ww1 sim to be availible and it looks to be as realistic as il2 is. is there any news on a realease date?

Polyperhon
02-11-2007, 11:48 AM
I would like to buy this SIM but I don't know HOW....Sorry I might be stupid but can anyone tell me the full name of this WW I sim? I am going to try to look on the net to see where it can be found...

PBNA-Boosher
02-11-2007, 01:41 PM
Well boys, I'd either be flying one of two things. Stick me in an Se.5a and I'll fight for the RAF... but give me a Fokker VII and I'm up with the Lufties!

Makabi-
02-11-2007, 01:43 PM
Knights of the Sky, and don't bother looking as it hasn't been released yet, it's still a work-in-progress.

er, that was aimed at the person who posted before Boosher.

Hawk_345678
02-11-2007, 02:16 PM
yes its not realeased yet, i went lookign for more info and found on anotehr forum that some1 said the realese date might be in fall 2007, thats still a long ways away and its not oficial.

JG301_nils
02-12-2007, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
More importantly...will these be modelled as well?:
http://www.earlyaviator.com/archive/b/images2/Fraulein_Sanke5001.jpg
http://members.shaw.ca/flyingaces/images1/Sanke5001_FrauleinFlieger.jpg

hopefully..
Notice the importance of the cigarettes...
Good models but bad role models though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Polyperhon
02-14-2007, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by Hawk_345678:
yes its not realeased yet, i went lookign for more info and found on anotehr forum that some1 said the realese date might be in fall 2007, thats still a long ways away and its not oficial.

Cheers.I am waiting...with a bit of anxiety

Hoatee
02-14-2007, 05:36 AM
Will the Murometz be modelled? That's one plane I was blissfully unaware of - and apparently the inspiration for the Gotha bomber.

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-14-2007, 06:16 AM
Fall '07 sounds about right since they had to completely redo the engine. It should still be an outstanding sim though and is certainly one that's on my "watch" list.


TB