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Polyperhon
04-14-2007, 06:48 AM
I lately tried some P-47 missions, and I want to ask a couple of things:

1) I am still not exactly aware of the differences between the 2 bubbletop versions, the "P-47D-27" and the simple "P-47D". Can anyone give me any information about their differences, as they have been modelled in the game?

2) What do you thing about the P-47 in general? I am getting the impression that is a plane that it was growing up in respect with time. I "fly" for four years now the IL-2 series and as a "veteran", I feel that this one really was one deadly weapon...An honest fighting machine.
Please feel free to discuss about it,'cause I think that the P-47 has been overlooked in this forum.
I would like to ask Ernst Rohr to participate in this topic.

dlg26
04-14-2007, 07:38 AM
Hi Polyperhon I dont know the diff of the types your asking about but I agree with you I'm starting to like this plane! I stayed away from it in PF because it was a real dog in CFS3. I actually got some kills online with it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

JtD
04-14-2007, 08:19 AM
The D uses a higher engine boost (70" over 64") than the D-27. It thus has more power, meaning better speed, climb, turn.

P-47 is a great plane in any respect. Owns all Japanese opposition and very dangerous for anything German as well.

Polyperhon
04-14-2007, 10:19 AM
That's the only difference?

Can we say that the boosted P-47 can emulate the D-30 model or not? Do you know if the high-boosted model was widely used or was rare?

berg417448
04-14-2007, 10:43 AM
If I recall correctly Oleg said this P-47D had "almost" P47M performance. I think it was meant to represent boost for 150 octane fuel.

VMF-214_HaVoK
04-14-2007, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by berg417448:
If I recall correctly Oleg said this P-47D had "almost" P47M performance. I think it was meant to represent boost for 150 octane fuel.

That what he claimed but after many test its not really close to M performance.

VMF-214_HaVoK
04-14-2007, 10:53 AM
Please feel free to discuss about it,'cause I think that the P-47 has been overlooked in this forum.

Actually the P-47 has probably been discussed as much as any plane here. Trust me, if it was not for all the debates and emails sent to Oleg we would still have the P-47 of FB. The P-47 has come a long way to get it close to its actual real world performance and that is mostly because of the discussions in this very forum.

You just joined up late and most likely missed most of it. But if your a P-47 fan be thankful. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

drose01
04-14-2007, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by JtD:
P-47 is a great plane in any respect. Owns all Japanese opposition ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

BillyTheKid_22
04-14-2007, 11:18 AM
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VMF-214_HaVoK
04-14-2007, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by BillyTheKid_22:
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leitmotiv
04-14-2007, 11:39 AM
It is the ultimate boom and zoom beast---O, B&Z is fun with it!

Viper2005_
04-14-2007, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by Polyperhon:
That's the only difference?

Can we say that the boosted P-47 can emulate the D-30 model or not? Do you know if the high-boosted model was widely used or was rare?

A D-30 would have ZLLs for HVARs, which would make it a far more effective ground attack platform.

BTW, the in-game P-47D has level speed performance very close to that of the P-47M. For example, I've had 359 mph at sea level using the autopilot utility with 100% fuel & extra ammunition; the M is credited with 367 mph. At 23000 feet the D will manage 447 mph in the game; the M is credited with 436 mph at 20000 feet and 473 mph at 32000 feet. Plot a line through those two points and you'll see a speed of around 445 mph at 23000 feet for the M.

The M is substantially faster at altitudes above about 24000 feet because it has a bigger turbocharger, and therefore a higher full throttle height. But below this height in terms of level speed at least, the P-47D in the game (70" Hg/2700 rpm) really does have performance very close to that of the P-47M (72" Hg/2800 rpm).

Its climb performance isn't bad either...

The P-47 is a very effective fighting machine because its altitude performance enables it to bring a lot of energy to the fight. If it is flown patiently it is therefore one of the safest piston engined aircraft around, especially when one considers its prodigious fuel and ammunition supplies.

Pollack2006
04-14-2007, 11:55 AM
Should a P-47 outclimb a P-51D? In-game both the D27 and Late models will leave the Pony gasping below.

JtD
04-14-2007, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by Polyperhon:
That's the only difference?

Yes.


Can we say that the boosted P-47 can emulate the D-30 model or not? Do you know if the high-boosted model was widely used or was rare?

The boosted 47 can emulate the D-30 the same way the D-27 can. It's just that one has an engine running at higher power. D-30 was most likely in service using both power settings.
The 64" boost of the D-27 were far more common than the 70" on the D, but 70" certainly weren't rare (esp. with 8th AF, I'd guess). If you also consider that we have neither a M nor a N model, you don't really need to feel bad if you fly with the 70".

JtD
04-14-2007, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Pollack2006:
Should a P-47 outclimb a P-51D? In-game both the D27 and Late models will leave the Pony gasping below.

P-51 has 75% the weight at 60% the power. I don't think it's wrong that the D-27 and D are better climbers.

VMF-214_HaVoK
04-14-2007, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by JtD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pollack2006:
Should a P-47 outclimb a P-51D? In-game both the D27 and Late models will leave the Pony gasping below.

P-51 has 75% the weight at 60% the power. I don't think it's wrong that the D-27 and D are better climbers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its wrong. The P-51D Mustang had a climb rate of 3,475 ft/m and the P-47D had a climb rate of 2,780 ft/m. The P-51C had an even better climb then the D.

JtD
04-14-2007, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:

The P-51D Mustang had a climb rate of 3,475 ft/m...the P-47D had a climb rate of 2,780 ft/m.

The P-47D? Only one ever built?


The P-51C had an even better climb then the D.

I know a P-51C that had a worse roc than a P-51D I also know. But again, it may not be the ones you are talking about.

Fact is, that the late 47's we have in game irl achieved climb data that was better than the P-51D's at many altitudes. I think the 51 was somewhat better as long as the charger was in low gear and even there it wouldn't be by much. Otoh, climb of the P-47 is overmodeled so I would expect the gap in FB to be larger than it was irl.

BillyTheKid_22
04-14-2007, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BillyTheKid_22:
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/YankeeAirMuseum2005/Highlights/ThreeP47s.jpg



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Viper2005_
04-14-2007, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Its wrong. The P-51D Mustang had a climb rate of 3,475 ft/m and the P-47D had a climb rate of 2,780 ft/m. The P-51C had an even better climb then the D.

That's a meaningless statement since climb rate depends upon aircraft weight, drag & power.

P-51s and P-47s were operated in a variety of different configurations, and at a variety of different power ratings.

And of course altitude has a major effect as well. Unless you're quite specific about the aircraft you're comparing, about the best answer you can give is "It depends".

Polyperhon
04-15-2007, 08:28 AM
I think there is a mistake in the IL-2, looks like the P-47D-22 should had a different prop of increased diameter, like the D-27, instead looks like has a similar prop like the D-10.

What do you think?

BillyTheKid_22
04-15-2007, 09:55 AM
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pdubby
04-16-2007, 10:42 PM
How should I get best results in a dive for this beauty?

What I do is set up some he-111 at 5k at try to boom them as fast as possible without climbing to more than 24,000. I almost always get around 400-420ias. I have talked with pilots who say they can get 500ias easy. So the problem is with my flying.

Is there a special trim or prop setting I should be using to dive with? Should I drop straight down or use a long shallow dive? I seem to get the same results each method. For reference I use between 20-25 clicks nose down trim and 100%pp and max throttle for diving.

Any tips and settings advice on flying this plane properly would be great appreciated.

Diablo310th
04-17-2007, 06:52 AM
Depending on alt. difference I can get 500 mph pretty easily. the problem is that at that speed it's hard to track properly and shoot. Not only that but when you zoom climb back up it's easy to blackout too. I like to keep my merge speed around 425-450. I use a little nose down trim when diving so the Jug doesn't tend to wanna nose up on my dive. After my firing pass I wanna zoom back up behind the enemy and start a banking turn in the same direction he/she is turning to keep SA with him. repeat as often as needed after that or let the spits finish him off. LOL dang bottom feeders...j/k http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Bearcat99
04-17-2007, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Please feel free to discuss about it,'cause I think that the P-47 has been overlooked in this forum.

Actually the P-47 has probably been discussed as much as any plane here. Trust me, if it was not for all the debates and emails sent to Oleg we would still have the P-47 of FB. The P-47 has come a long way to get it close to its actual real world performance and that is mostly because of the discussions in this very forum.

You just joined up late and most likely missed most of it. But if your a P-47 fan be thankful. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL... yeah remember the 1.0 Jug? I think He-111s had a better turn rate didnt they? Ithas come a long way.

JG53Frankyboy
04-17-2007, 10:14 AM
someone may give the topic starter a download link to the latest il2compare version...........
so he can get a first impression.

Bearcat99
04-17-2007, 03:49 PM
It is listed in the Essentials thread.