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_VR_ScorpionWorm
06-01-2005, 07:24 PM
Hello, well there it is. I know nothing of programming so here goes... and appologies if this topic has already been discussed.

Would it be easy to just add the FM to the nonflyable B25s and throw in a cockpit from the B25J? Are the cockpits really that different? I for one wouldnt mind seeing the same cockpit on a different model as long as it was flyable(regarding the B25 that is). If the plane didnt have a certain gunner postion couldnt the programmers just 'delete' the spot?

As I said I dont know anything about programming, just posting a topic I would like some feedback on. I realize the 4.0 will be out soon and dont expect a change like this made. I really look forward to forward development on BOB, but there has to be some support for FB/PF still left, perhaps this can be implemented in the future?

p1ngu666
06-01-2005, 07:50 PM
we should have the b25 with the forward firing guns removed, alot operated like this and b25s on high level bombing runs can respond to "anyone help me!" and go and dogfight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

and the american wet dream b25, with the 8gun solid nose, with optional side guns like on our b25.

12 forward firing 50cals.

i said that just to boost the sales of kleexe in america http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
i have shares in that company http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Tater-SW-
06-02-2005, 12:21 AM
Yeah, the gun-nosed J is a no-brainer. Add 8x.50 cal in nose, delete the nose position. Done.

http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~sun_d/050116/b25-top.jpg

tater

F19_Olli72
06-02-2005, 12:48 AM
Well, if were not going to get the other Ju 88 models http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif (all ready and done as far as 3d goes) we propably can forget about this B-25 too...

Frequent_Flyer
06-02-2005, 09:05 AM
Tater, that picture is a beautiful thing. Do you have one with the 75mm cannon in the nose?

SeaNorris
06-02-2005, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by _VR_ScorpionWorm:
Hello, well there it is. I know nothing of programming so here goes... and appologies if this topic has already been discussed.

Would it be easy to just add the FM to the nonflyable B25s and throw in a cockpit from the B25J? Are the cockpits really that different? I for one wouldnt mind seeing the same cockpit on a different model as long as it was flyable(regarding the B25 that is). If the plane didnt have a certain gunner postion couldnt the programmers just 'delete' the spot?

As I said I dont know anything about programming, just posting a topic I would like some feedback on. I realize the 4.0 will be out soon and dont expect a change like this made. I really look forward to forward development on BOB, but there has to be some support for FB/PF still left, perhaps this can be implemented in the future?

No,

B-25C = Gunners are in different postions and it has a bottom gunner.
B-25 Solid Nose = They'd have to completely redo the pilot position as it has a solid nose and no glass on it.

Shame really http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JG53Frankyboy
06-02-2005, 09:28 AM
the 75mm gun carriers, B-25G&H , yes, would need a new cockpit. and the B-25C/G ,as mentioned, would need new gunnery stations - so.............

but that solid 8x.50cal Browning nose B-25J , i think it would not need a new pit.

perhaps they should ad a B-25J glas nose without the four fuselage MGs as a RAF Mitchell Mk.III , that would be nice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
but still only dreams about a game that will reach soon the end of its development. sometimes MAddox have to stick on its comming BoB - otherwise they will never release it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tater-SW-
06-02-2005, 09:48 AM
One, I just googled that pic (it's a model, obviously).

Two, the gun-nosed 25J is easy. Any visible glass in the greenhouse just gets made green. Done. Nothing else changes. In fact, many glass-nosed Js (and Cs for that matter) were altered in the field, some painted the glass, some left it clear, others replaced it as the persplex was shot with aluminum.

tater

p1ngu666
06-02-2005, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
One, I just googled that pic (it's a model, obviously).

Two, the gun-nosed 25J is easy. Any visible glass in the greenhouse just gets made green. Done. Nothing else changes. In fact, many glass-nosed Js (and Cs for that matter) were altered in the field, some painted the glass, some left it clear, others replaced it as the persplex was shot with aluminum.

tater

the solidnose looks like its a different shape to the glassnose
but yes, using a field mod would be fine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

LeadSpitter_
06-02-2005, 10:28 PM
just needs the iron 4 poly plate left lower window.

move the turrent change fm slightly, it would be nice if mgs and cannon did damage to dry and liquid cargo ships

4 more flyables for such little work,

same with the h75 10-12 polygon change for the radial, changing p40b pit, for the h75 and reverse the trottle axis.

The same for the p36 but have the trottle work the same as p40b.

p-36 and h-75 would be excellent for pto and finnish based servers maybe even some early 109e4 vs h75 scenerious

woofiedog
06-02-2005, 11:11 PM
http://www.aerovintage.com/34106.jpg
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">The Weary Warrors group of Rockford, IL, took a derelict, ex-Bendix B-25 airframe in 1981 and have slowly brought the airframe back to its current, excellent, condition. (Photo by Todd Hackbarth) </span>

Chuck served with distinction until the Flying Tigers were disbanded on July 4th 1942. Returning Stateside in September, he re-enlisted two months later as a T/Sgt and was assigned as a Group armament inspector at Westover Field, Massachusetts working with Republic P-47 Thunderbolts. On New Years day 1943, Chuck was promoted to Master Sergeant. Shortly thereafter, he applied for and was accepted into the AAF's Cadet Pilot program. It did not take very long to convince Chuck that he was not cut out to be a pilot and he washed out.
Undaunted, he was sent to Kingman to train as a B-17 ball turret gunner. Upon completing the training, he was ordered to the east coast to join a "Project 9". This unit later became the famous 1st Air Commando Group. In December of 1943, the Group arrived at Karachi, moving soon after to Hailakandi-Assam. Chuck was quickly gobbled up by R.T. Smith as a top turret gunner and NCOIC of the Squadron.
According to Smith:
"When I was named to command the B-25H Squadron of the Air Commandos, I personally confiscated Chuck as my top turret gunner. He flew more than fifty (58) missions with me, carrying out his duties with initiative, dedication and expertise. We shared many a wild and hazardous experience during those hectic days and I think of Chuck not only as a comrade-in-arms, but as a tried-and-true friend."

link http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://home.att....Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/Baisden11.JPG&imgrefurl=http://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/Baisden.html&h=476&w=559&sz=53&tbnid=j-z5vR3NHV0J:&tbnh=111&tbnw=131&hl=en&start=39&prev=/images%3Fq%3Db-25h%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN)

http://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/Baisden11.JPG
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">The crew of Barbie III, 1st Air Commandos</span>

http://www.midwaysailor2.com/edenprairie/mitchell-036b.jpg

http://www.midwaysailor2.com/edenprairie/mitchell-031b.jpg

http://www.midwaysailor2.com/edenprairie/mitchell-057b.jpg

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/guns/b25h.jpg

http://www.midwaysailor2.com/eltoro/eltoro-44b.jpg

http://www.midwaysailor2.com/eltoro/eltoro-266b.jpg

http://www.midwaysailor2.com/blaine2/mitchell-031b.jpg

http://www.midwaysailor2.com/blaine/b25-007b.jpg

http://www.midwaysailor2.com/blaine2/mitchell-010b.jpg

http://www.midwaysailor2.com/blaine2/mitchell-004b.jpg

Aero_Shodanjo
06-03-2005, 12:39 AM
Those pics are the coolest Mitchells Ive ever seen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I like this one most. It looks so mean and menacing. Reminds me of a T-Rex somehow. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif
http://www.midwaysailor2.com/edenprairie/mitchell-057b.jpg

Thanks woofiedog http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Tater-SW-
06-03-2005, 12:53 AM
Yeah, the fact the MGs do little good when attacking ships is unfortunate. No, I don;t expect to saw a 5000 ton merchant in half with 50 cals. What I expect is for them to do what they did in RL. Start fires,and "clear the decks." They didn't add more guns for nothing, the guns were to supress enemy AAA fire so they could bore in and skip bomb.

On a related note, I see that online, all planes l**** to come in low and skip bomb. I know the japanese didn't use that tactic, I wonder if their bombs were ever fused to do so...

tater

Papabull1958
06-03-2005, 03:02 PM
Best Pic I've got of the same Barbie III at an airshow at Morris Il - somewhere I've got some interior shots too. I'd like to see the solid nose variants flyable too!
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/Papabull58/B25-Airshow.jpg

p1ngu666
06-03-2005, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
Yeah, the fact the MGs do little good when attacking ships is unfortunate. No, I don;t expect to saw a 5000 ton merchant in half with 50 cals. What I expect is for them to do what they did in RL. Start fires,and "clear the decks." They didn't add more guns for nothing, the guns were to supress enemy AAA fire so they could bore in and skip bomb.

On a related note, I see that online, all planes l**** to come in low and skip bomb. I know the japanese didn't use that tactic, I wonder if their bombs were ever fused to do so...

tater

indeed, the firepower of straffers was fearsome if u put it like this

beufighter, 6x 303 and 4 20mm, 160rounds PER SECOND, 40 of those are cannon rounds

b25, 12x 13 = 156 rounds per second.

imagine that lot going off on the deck area of a uboat, thats seriously mincing i would imagine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

masaker2005
06-06-2005, 07:29 AM
Only THIS plane count for me as a bomber:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/st/~jgaffney/aviation/images/ww2/b17.jpg

AlmightyTallest
06-07-2005, 09:26 AM
Follow the link: http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1300.html

I found a variety of links that show the B-25H cockpit and the J strafer cockpits, as well as technical info on how the 75mm cannon was aimed.

Pretty neat stuff for B-25 buffs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
06-07-2005, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by masaker2005:
Only THIS plane count for me as a bomber:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/st/~jgaffney/aviation/images/ww2/b17.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//lanc.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//pinguandmossie.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//rearmossiedark.jpg

maybe uve never read or seen about lanc or mossie...

lanc carried nearly twice the bombload to the same target as a b17, AND it could carry nearly any type of bomb. and the full ocestra effect of 4 merlins http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

mossie, same or slightly less bombload, similer range probably, but a luftwaffe pwning amount of speed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif. all in something made of balsa and plywood http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

b17 has tons of 50cals, so its teh hero of teh usa.

Papabull1958
06-07-2005, 07:02 PM
Mossie or Lanc would be great fun, I just want to blow ships and stuff up w/8 or 12 .50's and a 75mm cannon... But the Mosquito would be a serious butt kicker in that role too!

Tooz_69GIAP
06-07-2005, 07:14 PM
I would love a strafer B-25, or a G or H version with the 75mm gun. But you need the correct intermal pit pics for the correct variants. Then you need someone to take the time to model the differences. Then 1C needs to go over it to make sure it gets into the game.

The FM is not going to be the same as the current flyable model, as there is a difference in CoG, there needs to be different hit models for the gun components in the nose, and so on.

It will take time to do all that for 1C. It's not so simple. But anyway, I would love to see the J strafer, but I don't think we will.

Beaufort-RAF
06-16-2005, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
perhaps they should ad a B-25J glas nose without the four fuselage MGs as a RAF Mitchell Mk.III , that would be nice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Absolutely, I've posted about just that before.

A simple mod and then we could fly proper RAF bomber ops, without the AI breaking formation and diving down to straf targets.

I think I'll start a new thread about it. A bit late but it can't do any harm. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif