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MrBlueSky1960
09-07-2007, 06:44 AM
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Low_Flyer_MkVb
09-07-2007, 10:44 AM
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Skunk_438RCAF
09-07-2007, 12:42 PM
Yeah but this is a report on the Mk Ia, which had 12x.303's... even I wouldnt attack ground targets with that, unless I wanted to spend all my rounds trying to burst a tire.

DKoor
09-07-2007, 12:47 PM
Typhoon is perhaps the best looking British fighter or my taste http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Xiolablu3
09-07-2007, 12:51 PM
On that report - 'Mosquito FIGHTER VERSION'.

faustnik
09-07-2007, 12:58 PM
I'd like to see the list of modifications that turned the Typhoon into such a great GA aircraft. It's always interesting to see how the issues were addressed.

Skunk_438RCAF
09-07-2007, 01:23 PM
Here is the list faustnik:

1. Deletion of sissy .303 armament for the more manly 20mm Hispanos.

That is all.

But all through its service life the Tiffie went through a number of modifications namely:

-Fish plate strengthening around aft fuselage.
-Replacement tailplanes, Tempest type installed to later Mk.Ib's
-Bubble canopy
-Engine upgrades and replacement of 3-blade prop for a 4-blader
-Anti-shimmy tail wheel.
-Cannon covers for improved aerodynamics

I think that it was a failed interceptor that was discovered to be a great GA aircraft once the cannons were fitted, since it was pretty fast down low, and it was a very rugged aircraft. Fitting RP's and bombs only seemed natural and thus the mighty Typhoon we all know came into being.

faustnik
09-07-2007, 01:24 PM
Thanks Skunk. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Friendly_flyer
09-07-2007, 01:40 PM
Whirly, Whirly, whirly!

R_Target
09-07-2007, 03:03 PM
Good show P-39.

Xiolablu3
09-07-2007, 03:54 PM
P39 has the engine excellently placed for ground attack, as long as the hits dont go into the pilot instead!

Did the P39 have some frontal armour in front of the pilot?

Just thinking, that maybe a hit which would normally be stopped by the mass of metal in the engine, may got straight into the cockpit if it hit the front of the p39.

berg417448
09-07-2007, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:


Did the P39 have some frontal armour in front of the pilot?



Yes.I have a cutaway diagram of the P-39D and it shows two armor plates in front of the cockpit.It also shows some armor just behind the prop spinner.

faustnik
09-07-2007, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3

Did the P39 have some frontal armour in front of the pilot?

Yeah, there was a plate in front of the pilot, behind the cannon, and one behind the gear box up towards the prop.


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Oops, sry Berg, you beat me to it.

The heavy engine behind the pilot wasn't good because in a crash landing it could come loose from its mounts, and that's real bad. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

The Soviets generally used Cobras as fighters, not for GA work like some western books describe.

R_Target
09-07-2007, 04:30 PM
P-39:


The armoring provisions of the aircraft consisted of seven parts: reduction gearbox armor, cockpit forward bulkhead armor plate, lower windshield armor plate, windshield armor glass, armor plate behind the pilot, turnover bulkhead armor plate, and oil tank armor plate.

faustnik
09-07-2007, 04:34 PM
The oil tank armor is listed as one of the plates the Soviets removed to improve COG. This seems very dangerous, as even 7.62mm hits are going to cause an oil leak.

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Since this is a Typhoon thread maybe we should be discussing Typhoon armor? How tough were the Typhoons? They must have been very durable to be so successful in the GA role?

Xiolablu3
09-07-2007, 04:52 PM
Just the look and structure of it make me think that it must have been heavily armoured.

Its not like a bit of extra weight that armour plate would bring is going to make much difference to the flight characteristics of that massive plane.

I mean, its not like its going to add a very big percentage of weight, unlike adding a big armour plate to a tiny Zero or Bf109 for instance.

This is all just a guess tho, I dont know the facts. I just think it would be pretty daft not to have the Typhoon heavily armoured.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
09-07-2007, 05:35 PM
Some info' on the 'poor man's Whirlwind' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif


http://www.aviation-history.com/hawker/typhoon.html

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/typhoon/typhoontest.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Typhoon

A big problem early on appears to have been it's similarity in certain profiles to the Fw190, several friendly fire incidents.

I don't think it was that well armoured, it's size and shape being more a result of the large power plant rather than concerns for pilot safety.

luftluuver
09-07-2007, 06:00 PM
Chris Shores

the Typhoon was armoured. Mod 346 (55 lbs of fixed armour) and 347 (496 lbs of removable armour) were introduced in spring 1944. I am not sure of the exact disposition of this armour but photos show trial installations of sheet armour applied to the cockpit sides and floor and around the radiator. Nor do I know to what extent this armour was employed on operations. However many photos of Typhoons from D-day onwards show stencilling on the radiator fairings - "This fairing is armoured" - as a warning to ground crew who might be removing the fairing.

Skunk_438RCAF
09-07-2007, 06:43 PM
The Tiffie was a tough bird. Most of the targets given to Typhoon squadrons were Flak infested hell holes that no one else wanted to attack.

Some examples of Typhoon damage:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f239/Skunk24/5VGb.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f239/Skunk24/gape.jpg

From the books Typhoon and Tempest : The Canadian Story by Hugh Halliday and Osprey's Typhoon and Tempest Aces of WW2.

R_Target
09-07-2007, 07:02 PM
Excellent pics. Skunk. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

R_Target
09-08-2007, 07:56 PM
Anyone have a cut-away showing the Typhoon's armor? Was the same armor carried over to Tempest?

Skunk_438RCAF
09-08-2007, 08:14 PM
I'm looking through my stuff for you Ronn. Havent found anything yet.

While were on the subjects of Typhoons, does anyone have a detailed history of RAF 1 Sqn? I'm looking for info on a Canadian pilot who served with them, MOSSIP, F/O Harrison Taylor (J15927) DFC. I'd like to know what aircraft he flew with them.

R_Target
09-09-2007, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by Skunk_438RCAF:
I'm looking through my stuff for you Ronn. Havent found anything yet.

Cool. My impression was always that the Typhoon was a pretty rugged bird.

Skunk_438RCAF
09-10-2007, 09:10 AM
Still havent found anything on the armor R...

But I did find this:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/438cityofmontreal/tornado.jpg

Tornado prototype, powered by the Rolls Royce Vulture, essentially 2 Peregrine engines mounted one on top of the other, in X configuration. So its basically a Whirlwind, since it has two of the same engines http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Also note the striking similarity to the Hurricane, it just seems to be an enlarged version of it. Note the twin exhausts.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/438cityofmontreal/tornadocontra.jpg

Contra-rotating prop experiments...

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/438cityofmontreal/tornadocentaurus.jpg

Bristol Centaurus powered prototype Typhoon.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/438cityofmontreal/typhoonproto.jpg