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SkyChimp
11-06-2005, 06:46 PM
If that wasn't bad enough, imagine what they thought when they saw them escorted by F-4 Phantoms.

John_Stag
11-06-2005, 06:49 PM
Oh, Gawd, not another "What if" thread...

arcadeace
11-06-2005, 06:57 PM
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SkyChimp
11-06-2005, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by John_Stag:
Oh, Gawd, not another "What if" thread...

No, not "what if." What did they think? I've heard that their Bf-109-G 10s were pretty much obsolete against them.

John_Stag
11-06-2005, 07:08 PM
Nah, they would have been massacred in droves by the atomic-powered rocketships that someone found the design for scrawled on the back of a ciggy packet in one of the waste bins out back of Fritz's Schnitzel shop outside Peenemunde. you can get more detailes of this fantastic design which was almost concieved by somebody sober on the Luftwish'46 site.

p1ngu666
11-06-2005, 07:15 PM
what no p51? germany can still win teh war!

hobnail
11-06-2005, 07:20 PM
Woohoo!

/me digs out copy of "The Final Countdown"

BfHeFwMe
11-06-2005, 07:24 PM
No, not the Germans, but the Russians sure as **** would know the gig was about to be up.

I believe Berlin was enveloped within their zone. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Enforcer572005
11-06-2005, 07:27 PM
heh heh....I remember my first beer to. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LEXX_Luthor
11-06-2005, 07:35 PM
F-104 Gustav's could have easily taken out the F-4 escorts, but this late in the War, the Gustav pilots' training was not up to the task and many were lost in accidents.

jds1978
11-07-2005, 04:00 AM
the F4/B25 combo would have been scary. Even worse would've been a CAS strike made by F105's "Thuds" w/o escort. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

KIMURA
11-07-2005, 04:06 AM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
If that wasn't bad enough, imagine what they thought when they saw them escorted by F-4 Phantoms.

The Germans thought:"Hey sitting ducks! Let's shoot them down with our freshly received MiG-21!!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif
little note: Hartmann got his 2541 air kill that sortie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

CUJO_1970
11-07-2005, 04:13 AM
They probably knew all was lost shortly after flying their first F-104 Starfighter and realized they couldn't get their money back.

Feathered_IV
11-07-2005, 04:18 AM
A B-52 is just a pair of B-26's flying very close together.

Think about it.

Capt.LoneRanger
11-07-2005, 04:22 AM
LOL - didn't know F-104s ever flew. I always thought they were shot with catapults and sometimes aimed correctly, so they landed accidently?

Besides that, B52 were just bigger and flew higher and faster than B17s, but carpet bombing never lead to any victory and it never will.

Boandlgramer
11-07-2005, 04:58 AM
Did Boandlgramer know skychimp has momentarily a boring life when he saw his thread ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Yes he did http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

WWSensei
11-07-2005, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Besides that, B52 were just bigger and flew higher and faster than B17s, but carpet bombing never lead to any victory and it never will.

Not were. Still are. My brother flies one today. Oh, and they haven't carpet bombed since 'Nam. GPS and laser guided add-ons have made that pretty unnecessary.

mynameisroland
11-07-2005, 05:43 AM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
If that wasn't bad enough, imagine what they thought when they saw them escorted by F-4 Phantoms.

Well if Germany had bought British instead of being 'encouraged' to buy the Starfighter. They would have had great fun shooting down the B52's and their escorting Phantoms in their English Electric Lightnings. The Phantom's carriers would have been filling their pants about being sunk by BAE TSR2's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

What a pity the TSR2 was cancelled by some political tomfoolery and the USA promising great things from the F111 which were never even realised. I think that if the TRS2 was manufactured in large numbers and tested against the service versions of the F111 the US might have actually scrapped the F111 altogether and bought the TSR2 and called it the Macdonald Douglas TSR2 Turbo II AV Boosted version with go faster stripes and extra hard points installed. That way every one would have been happy!

cawimmer430
11-07-2005, 06:57 AM
http://www.combatplanes.ca/fb/go-229-1.jpg

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Yes yes I know it never flew. Because during the last days of the war, the engines were delivered to Horten who found them to be 60cm longer than the engine bays of the Go-229. No one had told them! Thus the engines couldn't be fitted unto the plane. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

x__CRASH__x
11-07-2005, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
I've heard that their Bf-109-G 10s were pretty much obsolete against them.
Oh pish. You just don't know how to fly em.

Worf101
11-07-2005, 08:36 AM
Originally posted by WWSensei:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Besides that, B52 were just bigger and flew higher and faster than B17s, but carpet bombing never lead to any victory and it never will.

Not were. Still are. My brother flies one today. Oh, and they haven't carpet bombed since 'Nam. GPS and laser guided add-ons have made that pretty unnecessary. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not true, they carpet bombed in Gulf War AND in Afghanistan. Check the facts jack LOL.

Da Worfster

KIMURA
11-07-2005, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by Worf101:
Not true, they carpet bombed in Gulf War AND in Afghanistan. Check the facts jack LOL.
Da Worfster

LOL. Carpet bombing makes sense if "you" have absolutely no clue what excactly your want to bomb of where excactly it is. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Pirschjaeger
11-07-2005, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by KIMURA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Worf101:
Not true, they carpet bombed in Gulf War AND in Afghanistan. Check the facts jack LOL.
Da Worfster

LOL. Carpet bombing makes sense if "you" have absolutely no clue what excactly your want to bomb of where excactly it is. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Works pretty much like a fishing net. Not very sportsman-like but it works.

Fritz

WWSensei
11-07-2005, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by Worf101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWSensei:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Besides that, B52 were just bigger and flew higher and faster than B17s, but carpet bombing never lead to any victory and it never will.

Not were. Still are. My brother flies one today. Oh, and they haven't carpet bombed since 'Nam. GPS and laser guided add-ons have made that pretty unnecessary. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not true, they carpet bombed in Gulf War AND in Afghanistan. Check the facts jack LOL.

Da Worfster </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not carpet bombing as defined in terms of WW2. In Gulf War and Afghanistan the "kill box" bombing mainly to demoralize and disorient or corral the enemy into a known area. It's a very deliberate and targeted application. Not hardly the blind bombing you saw in previous wars.

The massive carpet bombings of cities you saw in WW2 hasn't been done in since then as it isn't necessary. If so, Baghdad would be a parking lot by now.

Now who should check the facts? ...and the name isn't Jack.

waffen-79
11-07-2005, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
If that wasn't bad enough, imagine what they thought when they saw them escorted by F-4 Phantoms.

Nah!, the new delivered X-wings to JV44 would've creamed them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif j/k

Low_Flyer_MkII
11-07-2005, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by John_Stag:
Nah, they would have been massacred in droves by the atomic-powered rocketships that someone found the design for scrawled on the back of a ciggy packet in one of the waste bins out back of Fritz's Schnitzel shop outside Peenemunde. you can get more detailes of this fantastic design which was almost concieved by somebody sober on the Luftwish'46 site.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

And everybody knows that the best carpets are made in Axminster, Devon, England...yet again the enormous British contribution to this subject has been ignored. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

ashley2005
11-07-2005, 11:43 AM
[/QUOTE]

LOL. Carpet bombing makes sense if "you" have absolutely no clue what excactly your want to bomb of where excactly it is. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif[/QUOTE]

Fritz[/QUOTE]

the american way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Pirschjaeger
11-07-2005, 02:27 PM
Ashley,

You just mistakenly set me up as "An America basher". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I'll go get my flame resistant undies. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Fritz

jds1978
11-07-2005, 02:52 PM
LOL. Carpet bombing makes sense if "you" have absolutely no clue what excactly your want to bomb of where excactly it is. [/quote]

Fritz[/QUOTE]

the american way[/quote]

Ash: I'm sure you've heard of "Bomber" Harris, right? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

jds1978
11-07-2005, 02:54 PM
Nah!, the new delivered X-wings to JV44 would've creamed them.

X-Wing: B'n'Z
TIE Fighter: T'n'B

Capt.LoneRanger
11-07-2005, 04:09 PM
CarpetBombing was forbidden by the GenevaConvention after WW2, as the colateral damage was too high and no "safe hit" was guaranteed. After that the US renamed "carpet bombing", but the same was used in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Korea, WWSensei.
Carpet Bombing always had the purpose to "demoralize" and hit many targets in a defined area. Whatever you call it, it is by fact carpet bombing, as they use "dump" bombs and even cluster bombs (which are forbidden, too, btw)

Carpet Bombing was never neccessary - but the bombs are cheaper.

Oh, and "were" is the right time, was we speak of what Germans would have thought if they saw a B52.
Of course we STILL can see them and they are STILL bigger than B17s, but the thing that jumps to somebodies mind nowaday is probably something like B.U.F.F. rather than "Oh, we will loose WW2" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

han freak solo
11-07-2005, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by Hobnail:
Woohoo!

/me digs out copy of "The Final Countdown"

That brings up the next scenario.

Should an A6M2 be able to out turn an F-14 after patch 4.02?

SkyChimp should of thought of that one! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

jds1978
11-07-2005, 05:29 PM
Should an A6M2 be able to out turn an F-14 after patch 4.02?

everyone knows the tomcats are an uber-clownwagon!
real pilots fly A4's

airdale1960
11-07-2005, 05:30 PM
The F-4 (hogs) could have been seen by their smoke trail from miles away. The LW F-104's could've set up for the kill, easily.
The carpet bombing\kill box bombing seemed to demoralize the enemy well in the Persian Gulf, from an eye witness. Doesn't mean we should ever use war as a solution. After 2000 years of civilization we still can't seem to find another way to settle things other than war, sad.