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Copperhead310th
01-13-2007, 03:41 PM
Well i just got home from gramps. went over & cleaned up the yard a bit. then sat down with him for the once a month beer. only one cause at his age (87) one is about all he can stand. lol

So as we enjoy the afternoon, as always he goes to story telling about his days as a engenier on the b-24-c-109's (or C-1-go- BOOM) which was basically a flying gas tanker. but he still remembers the tail numbers. and that's quite a feat since the last time he saw one was probly 1945.
So as i'm listening on the edge of my seat as io have for the past 35 years it hits me.
As much time as i spend on the internet, and all the stuff thats out there, maybey i can dig up a picture or soem information on the old girl. So here's what ive got.

Suspect: Consolidated B-24 Liborator C-109 Tanker.

last seen: late spring 1944.

Location: some where in India. or China.

Manufactured at Willow Bend by FORD motoor company

Tail number 43621

Name of plane: unknown

Noseart: can't remember.

Crew: 1 pilot Unknown
1 Co-pilot Unknown
1 Navigator Charlie Lastname unknown.
1 Radio Operator Unknown.
1 Enginer: Staff Sgt. O'Neal Chambers

Asigned to Air Transport Command 20th AF CBI 1943-late spring 1944.

Lets see what we can come up with guys.

i realize this is an awful big heystack for such a little needle but i'm hopefull.

Thanks.

9th_Spitin
01-13-2007, 04:11 PM
Here is a link to some planes and Numbers, not sure what all the numbers are, but maybe some of the sources at the bottom will help.
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b24_27.html (http://home.att.net/%7Ejbaugher2/b24_27.html)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://www.9thflyingknights.com/

Copperhead310th
01-13-2007, 04:28 PM
thanks spitn

Nothing there about 1943 year models.

and those are serial numbers. not tail numbers.

But the Tail numbers work similer. the 43 is the year of manufacture. and 621 is the nuber of the plane as it came of the line. that is to say it was builf in 1943 and was the 621st plane built at that plant since production began.

from the web site Spitn posted:

Unlike the C-87 cargo/passenger transport, the C-109 fuel transports were not new aircraft, but were conversions of existing B-24 bombers.

This incoreect. i have it on good authority that a great number of C-109's were armed to the teeth. With Bamboo stalks that had been painted black. not very affective if attacked but armen none the less. ( they used the bambo as dummie .50's to fool the IJA pilots into thinking they were armed)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Copperhead310th
01-13-2007, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
43621 - salvaged Feb 2, 1946

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BrewsterPilot
01-13-2007, 04:42 PM
nvm, incorrect information. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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jarink
01-13-2007, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
But the Tail numbers work similer. the 43 is the year of manufacture.

No, it's actually the fiscal year the plane was ordered.


and 621 is the nuber of the plane as it came of the line.

Again, this is not always correct. Most planes were built in blocks and had a group of serial numbers assigned to the block. The last plane from one block and the first plane from the next block were not necessarily consecutive.

From JFBaugher's great site:


Starting in July of 1921 (the beginning of FY 1922) a new system was adopted based on procurement within each Fiscal Year. Each serial number now consisted of a base number corresponding to the last two digits of the FY in which money was used to manufacture the aircraft, and a sequence number indicating the sequential order in which the particular aircraft was ordered within that particular FY. For example, airplane 22-1 was the first aircraft ordered in FY 1922, 23-1 was the first example ordered in FY 1923, etc. This system is still in use today.

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/usafserials.html (http://home.att.net/%7Ejbaugher/usafserials.html)

I did find this entry on one of the 1944 pages:
(44-)49621 converted to C-109. Condemned salvage Nov 14, 1945<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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GreyFox5
01-13-2007, 09:12 PM
Could this help? The last link is compelling

http://www.liberatorcrew.com/06_B-24_Prod.htm

http://www.michiganhistorymagazine.com/extra/willow_run/willow_run.html

http://www.strategosinc.com/willow_run.htm

http://www.b24.net/aircraft.htm

http://public.fotki.com/Kos/members_photo_galle/wiilow_run_bomber/

http://www.stinsonflyer.com/sf-99.htm

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/usafserials.html (http://home.att.net/%7Ejbaugher/usafserials.html)

Its Willow Run (Ford's B-24 Plant)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Copperhead310th
01-14-2007, 06:58 AM
this would be a cool thing to do now that we have the burma and china maps. be a greatmovie.

lets keep looking. :-)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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XyZspineZyX
01-14-2007, 07:09 AM
have you tried asking at armyairforces.com?

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Copperhead310th
01-14-2007, 07:16 AM
nope. but i will now.
thanx<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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voyager_663rd
01-14-2007, 08:20 AM
only information I could find (so far) with the 43621 is not a c109 but a c49e which certainly doesn't seem to be the type of plane described

http://www.b24.net/aircraft/booksplane2.JPG

This is the B24 which was converted to the c-109.



43621 DST-217A c/n 2149 American Airlines NC21769. To US War Department Mar 14, 1942
and USAAF Mar 31, 1942 - Operated by TWA *360*. To RFC at Cincinatti, OH Jan 29, 1945.
To civil registry as NC19921 (Lsd to American Airlines Apr 12, 1945 - Sold to Wien Alaska
Airlines Sep 22, 1947), N19921 and XA-GUQ (Aerovias Latina Americana Jul 1949 -
Aeronaves de Mexico *Nopaltzin* 1951 - Aeromexico) WFU

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1942_2a.html (http://home.att.net/%7Ejbaugher/1942_2a.html)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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voyager_663rd
01-14-2007, 08:31 AM
Here's an interesting post I found on an army/airforce forum about the c-109:



After many years of study I have become quite familiar with the B-24's many shortcomings, but I believe the Mid-Air Explosion myth is just that. Many second hand stories, very few substantiating facts. I wish I had the detailed data you asked for, but I do not. But here is a column I wrote sixteen years ago that deals with the frequently-repeated story that mid-air explosions were a common occurrence with C-109s flying The Hump.

* * *

In Briefing No. 37 (FaIl 1987), I noted that I had recently obtained a list of aircraft lost while flying The Hump in CBI, and that a quick reading of the loss descriptions leads one to suspect that the derogatory appellation ?C-one-oh-boom" was a bad rap. I also promised to report further after reviewing the data more thoroughly.
The document itself is titled Chronologjcal List of Aircraft Crashes in the Hump Route, and has no information as to when it was compiled, or by whom - although it appears that it may have been an appendix to a larger AAF report on Hump operations. It seems to have been compiled very soon after the end of the Pacific war. It is 111 pages long and gives information on a total of 854 aircraft. The first loss (a C-53) occurred on 23 Sept 1942, and the last (a C-46) on 17 Sept. 1945. Personnel on board the aircraft are listed in almost every case; however, some were still being carried as MlA at the time the list was compiled.
As far as Liberators are concerned, the report covers the loss of 50 B-24?s, 65 C-87s, and 44 C-109s. It was the last, of course?the gasoline tankers?that were supposed to have been so prone to blowing up in flight that they were given the nickname C-one-oh-boom.
So let?s look at the record of those 44 C-109 losses. First of all, it shows that the most dangerous thing you could do In a C-109 was try to land it. No less than l4of the 44 (32%)were the victim of landing accidents. Another four were lost on takeoff. Seventeen were lost as the result of known airborne causes such as mid-air collisions, running out of fuel, mechanical failure, etc. Only one C-109 is listed as having exploded in mid-air. Of the remaining eight, no cause is given for the loss; the a/c is simply listed as MIF, or Missing In Flight. It is possible some of these may have blown up also, but it is just as possible that they suffered from the more common ills such as fuel shortage, bad weather, engine problems, etc. (And we can?t ignore The Hump itself?mountains and airplanes sometimes collide.)
The figures given here should not be considered definitive; my copy, for example, is missing one page. But it is highly unlikely that a final accounting would change substantially the loss percentages.
The normal crew at a C-l09 was four men. All told, the 44 losses resulted in 61 fatalities and 21 MIA. Hell, even gas-carrying Pintos may have killed more than that.

Let us hear no more of this "C-one-oh-boom" nonsense.
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voyager_663rd
01-14-2007, 08:42 AM
Are you sure about the number? From what I've found so far, it does not correspond to any converted 109's. I know this info (via url) was posted earlier but something may be in error. In any case:



The designation C-109 was assigned to existing B-24Js and B-24Ls that were converted into fuel transports to support B-29 operations out of China. An early plan called for ten B-29 groups to be stationed in China for operations against Japan, and these bombers were to be supported by no less than 2000 C-109s which would fly in aviation gasoline over the Hump from India for the bombers.

Unlike the C-87 cargo/passenger transport, the C-109 fuel transports were not new aircraft, but were conversions of existing B-24 bombers. All armament and bombardment equipment was removed and both the forward and aft turrets were removed and faired over with sheet metal. The waist windows were retained. Eight fuel tanks were installed inside the fuselage that could carry 2900 US gallons of aviation gasoline. Most C-109s were equipped with a dual ADF system, as indicated by the presence of two football-shaped antennae on top of the fuselage. C-109s were generally devoid of any armament, although photographs do show that some of the turrets were retained on a few aircraft.

A total of 218 Liberators were modified to C-109 tanker specifications at the various modification centers in the USA. They were not popular with their crews, since they were very difficult to land when fully loaded, especially at airfields that were above 6000 feet in elevation. In addition, longitudinal stability was rather poor when the tank in the forward fuselage was full, so quite often the C-109 flew with this tank empty.

The C-109s were initially operated by the 20th Air Force in the CBI theatre in support of the B-29 operations out of China. The original plan to acquire up to 2000 C-109s was cut way back when the B-29 Superfortress operations relocated from China to the Marianas, from where they could be much better supported by US Navy seaborne tankers. The C-109s were then transferred to the Air Transport Command. Some limited use was also made of the C-109 in Europe.

Conversions of B-24s to C-109s:

42-7172/7229 Ford B-24E-20-FO Liberator
7221 converted to XC-109
42-51293/51395 Douglas-Tulsa B-24J-5-DT Liberator
51368 converted to C-109
51390 converted to C-109
42-51396/51430 Douglas-Tulsa B-24J-10-DT Liberator
51411 converted to C-109
51420 converted to C-109
51424/51427 converted to C-109
51429 converted to C-109
42-51611/51825 Ford B-24J-10-FO Liberator
51615 converted to C-109
51647 converted to C-109
51659 converted to C-109
51676 converted to C-109
51684 converted to C-109
51697 converted to C-109
51706 converted to C-109
51712 converted to C-109
51716 converted to C-109
51721 converted to C-109
51727 converted to C-109
51730 converted to C-109
51734 converted to C-109
51740 converted to C-109
51748 converted to C-109
51756 converted to C-109
51758 converted to C-109
51766 converted to C-109
51774 converted to C-109
51782 converted to C-109
51784 converted to C-109
51786 converted to C-109
51788 converted to C-109
51792/51793 converted to C-109
51809/51810 converted to C-109
51817 converted to C-109
51825 converted to C-109
42-51826/52075 Ford B-24J-15-FO Liberator
51826 converted to C-109
51830 converted to C-109
51839 converted to C-109
51844 converted to C-109
51846/51847 converted to C-109
51849/51850 converted to C-109
51854 converted to C-109
51857 converted to C-109
51860 converted to C-109
51862 converted to C-109
51876/51877 converted to C-109
51883 converted to C-109
51887 converted to C-109
51890 converted to C-109
51893 converted to C-109
51901 converted to C-109
51904 converted to C-109
51921 converted to C-109
51930 converted to C-109
51962 converted to C-109
51982/51983 converted to C-109
52000/52001 converted to C-109
52005/52006 converted to C-109
52012 converted to C-109
52014 converted to C-109
52020/52021 converted to C-109
52023 converted to C-109
52033 converted to C-109
52042 converted to C-109
52049 converted to C-109
44-48754/49001 Ford B-24J-20-FO Liberator
48755 converted to C-109
48792 converted to C-109
48877 converted to C-109
48879 converted to C-109
48882/48883 converted to C-109
48888 converted to C-109
48890/48892 converted to C-109
48948 converted to C-109
48968 converted to C-109
48974 converted to C-109
48979 converted to C-109
48984 converted to C-109
48995/48996 converted to C-109
49001 converted to C-109
44-49002/49251 Ford B-24L-1-FO Liberator
49007/49009 converted to C-109
49011/49020 converted to C-109
49022/49023 converted to C-109
49025 converted to C-109
49030/49031 converted to C-109
49034/49035 converted to C-109
49037 converted to C-109
49040 converted to C-109
49045/49046 converted to C-109
49050/49051 converted to C-109
49057 converted to C-109
49059/49060 converted to C-109
49062/49063 converted to C-109
49065 converted to C-109
49067 converted to C-109
49071 converted to C-109
49075 converted to C-109
49077 converted to C-109
49079 converted to C-109
49184 converted to C-109
49191 converted to C-109
49197 converted to C-109
49204 converted to C-109
49208 converted to C-109
49219 converted to C-109
49222 converted to C-109
49230 converted to C-109
49234/49236 converted to C-109
49238 converted to C-109
49240 converted to C-109
49245/49249 converted to C-109
49251 converted to C-109
44-49252/49501 Ford B-24L-5-FO Liberator
49253 converted to C-109
49255/49258 converted to C-109
49265 converted to C-109
49267 converted to C-109
49269/49272 converted to C-109
49274/49277 converted to C-109
49280/49281 converted to C-109
49283/49285 converted to C-109
49288/49290 converted to C-109
49292 converted to C-109
49295 converted to C-109
49299 converted to C-109
49302/49303 converted to C-109
49305 converted to C-109
49313 converted to C-109
49317 converted to C-109
49319 converted to C-109
49326 converted to C-109
49330 converted to C-109
49333 converted to C-109
49337 converted to C-109
49344 converted to C-109
49348 converted to C-109
49351/49354 converted to C-109
49358/49359 converted to C-109
49445 converted to C-109
49466 converted to C-109
49490 converted to C-109
44-49502/49751 Ford B-24L-10-FO Liberator
49510 converted to C-109
49615 converted to C-109
49621 converted to C-109
49628 converted to C-109
49660 converted to C-109
49662 converted to C-109
49684 converted to C-109
49691 converted to C-109
49704 converted to C-109
49715 converted to C-109
49720 converted to C-109
49723 converted to C-109
49728 converted to C-109

Sources:

1. Famous Bombers of the Second World War, William Green, Doubleday, 1959.

2. Liberator: America's Global Bomber, Alwyn T. Lloyd, Pictorial Histories Publishing Co, Inc, 1993.

3. The Consolidated B-24J Liberator, Roger A. Freeman, Profile Publications, Inc. 1969.

4. B-24 Liberator in Action, Larry Davis, Squadron/Signal Publications Inc, 1987.

5. General Dynamics Aircraft and Their Predecesssors, John Wegg, Naval Institute Press, 1990.

6. Consolidated B-24D-M Liberator IN USAAF-RAF-RAAF-MLD-IAF-CzechAF and CNAF Service, Ernest R. McDowell, Arco, 1970.

7. United States Military Aircraft Since 1909, Gordon Swanborough and Peter M. Bowers, Smithsonian, 1989.

8. American Combat Planes, 3rd Enlarged Edition, Ray Wagner, Doubleday, 1982.

9. Jane's American Fighting Aircraft of the 20th Century, Michael J.H. Taylor, Mallard Press.


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voyager_663rd
01-14-2007, 08:54 AM
and then there's this:



Beginning in January of 1942, the serial number of most Army aircraft was painted in eight-inch numbers on the vertical tail (whenever possible). This number became known as the tail number, for obvious reasons. Since military aircraft were at that time not expected to last more than ten years, the first digit of the fiscal year number was omitted in the tail number as was the AC prefix and the hyphen. For example, Curtiss P-40B serial number 41-5205 had the tail number 15205 painted on its rudder and Curtiss P-40K serial number 42-11125 had the tail number 211125 painted on the rudder. Since the Army (later Air Force) used the last four digits of the tail number as a radio call sign, for short serial numbers (those less than 100), the tail number was expanded out to four digits by adding zeros in front of the sequence number. For example, 41-38 would have the tail number written as 1038.

Consequently, in most situations for a World War II-era aircraft where the tail number is visible, you can deduce the serial number simply by putting a dash after the first digit, prefixing a 4, and you automatically have the serial number.

In the 1950s, many airplanes left over from the World War II era were still in service, exceeding their expected service lives of less than 10 years. In order to avoid confusion with later aircraft given the same tail number, these older aircraft had the prefix 0 and a dash added in front of the tail number to indicate that they were over 10 years old. It was hoped that this would avoid confusion caused by duplication of tail numbers between two aircraft built over ten years apart. However, this was not always done, and it was not always possible uniquely to identify an aircraft by a knowledge of its tail number. This practice was eventually discontinued when people started refering to the 0 as being an Oh, standing for Obsolete.

Using this logic, your tail 43621 is therefore S/N 3621 (4-3621) which still doesn't seem to help. Just maybe your number is in fact in error.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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willyvic
01-14-2007, 09:54 AM
Does gramps still have his patches or perhaps he would recognize the following? Found this...

http://members.aol.com/brimiljeep/WebPages/SquadronPatchAAFPage.html

Scroll down to the 10th and 11th set of patches. Is this the command he was attached to?

Did he have any unique patches for his particular unit?

As a matter of fact, what was his unit?


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Copperhead310th
01-14-2007, 10:17 AM
@ willy

Not sure i'll ask.

As for the TAIL numbers. i'm pretty sure. he's quoted the same ones for years. i wrote them downthis time. but i'll ask again.

I wrote down 43621 but i may have missed a a number. (my 8 year couisin was screeming right behind me. damnit)


On the explotion thig. was funny u mention that. They called the the C-1-go-BOOM for a reason.

Gramps said they had just got back from his 11th trip of 27 across the hump. Truck comes out and picks them up and they go to Operations. as they're going in another crew is comming out. Pilot asks gramps pilot what the weather's like over China. the Capt. told him smooth sailing, should be no problems and he'd even have a daylight landing in China.
So they go into Ops for the debreif and as they come out the other crew starts off on take off.
He says they got abot 300 feet up and just exploded. Said it was funny that even though he saw it he didnt hear the boom for over 2 seconds. you never hear it right away.
they all hop in a truck and go out there. this chaplin gets up on the hood of a truck calls em all around and says, "Alright men. we've got a job to do here. none of us like it but lets get at it. Corpal, you get some men and go gather up thier shutes. rest of you start pickign up the parts and placing them on the parachutes. One hand with one hand, one head per shute. 2 legs per chute. and double time it. we've only got 2 hours of daylight and after dark the tigers come out so get moving."<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Copperhead310th
01-14-2007, 10:18 AM
Did you know that the realese pressure on the bomb bay doors of a b-24 is 97 pounds?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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190 jock & full time target drone for JG27
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|^^^^^^^^^^^^|
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"Keep on Truck'n!"

willyvic
01-14-2007, 10:22 AM
Found this set of serials for converted 24's.

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b24_27.html (http://home.att.net/%7Ejbaugher2/b24_27.html)


Same list as above, just the horses mouth and such.


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Copperhead310th
01-14-2007, 10:52 AM
Again this was the TAIL NUMBER - not the SERIAL number.
43621

just so there's no confusion there.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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jarink
01-14-2007, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Again this was the TAIL NUMBER - not the SERIAL number.
43621

just so there's no confusion there.

Right-O, that's why I suspected it's a 44- plane, not 43-. The first "4" was normally left off of the number when painted on the tail.

Note the tail number of this plane is 232075. The actual serial number is 42-32075. (The plane is "Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby", which is the only B-17 painted with original serials.)
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Copperhead310th
01-14-2007, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by jarink:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Again this was the TAIL NUMBER - not the SERIAL number.
43621

just so there's no confusion there.

Right-O, that's why I suspected it's a 44- plane, not 43-. The first "4" was normally left off of the number when painted on the tail.

Note the tail number of this plane is 232075. The actual serial number is 42-32075. (The plane is "Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby", which is the only B-17 painted with original serials.)
http://www.flightjournal.com/images/plane_profiles/b17g/Shoo-Shooturn_sm.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

so by that logic the number would be...?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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KronikAlkoholik
01-15-2007, 12:10 AM
44-3621 but that's not right because that number belongs to a Bell P-39Q-20-BE Airacobra "3603/3644 to USSR"

'44 C-109 where somewhere from 49000-49728 roughly by your earlier post.

jarink
01-15-2007, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
so by that logic the number would be...?

Tail - 43621
Serial - 44-3621

Those numbers don't tally on the list, which is why I suggested 44-9621. It's the closest match I see that was converted to a C-109.

Tail - 49621
Serial - 44-9621<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Copperhead310th
01-16-2007, 06:49 PM
ok well at least we've got more to go on.

Now that we may have found the plane...
we need tosee if we can find the Unit it was asigned to and where it was last seen.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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woofiedog
01-17-2007, 03:00 AM
Conversions of B-24s to C-109s:

42-7172/7229 Ford B-24E-20-FO Liberator
7221 converted to XC-109
42-51293/51395 Douglas-Tulsa B-24J-5-DT Liberator
51368 converted to C-109
51390 converted to C-109
42-51396/51430 Douglas-Tulsa B-24J-10-DT Liberator
51411 converted to C-109
51420 converted to C-109
51424/51427 converted to C-109
51429 converted to C-109
42-51611/51825 Ford B-24J-10-FO Liberator
51615 converted to C-109
51647 converted to C-109
51659 converted to C-109
51676 converted to C-109
51684 converted to C-109
51697 converted to C-109
51706 converted to C-109
51712 converted to C-109
51716 converted to C-109
51721 converted to C-109
51727 converted to C-109
51730 converted to C-109
51734 converted to C-109
51740 converted to C-109
51748 converted to C-109
51756 converted to C-109
51758 converted to C-109
51766 converted to C-109
51774 converted to C-109
51782 converted to C-109
51784 converted to C-109
51786 converted to C-109
51788 converted to C-109
51792/51793 converted to C-109
51809/51810 converted to C-109
51817 converted to C-109
51825 converted to C-109
42-51826/52075 Ford B-24J-15-FO Liberator
51826 converted to C-109
51830 converted to C-109
51839 converted to C-109
51844 converted to C-109
51846/51847 converted to C-109
51849/51850 converted to C-109
51854 converted to C-109
51857 converted to C-109
51860 converted to C-109
51862 converted to C-109
51876/51877 converted to C-109
51883 converted to C-109
51887 converted to C-109
51890 converted to C-109
51893 converted to C-109
51901 converted to C-109
51904 converted to C-109
51921 converted to C-109
51930 converted to C-109
51962 converted to C-109
51982/51983 converted to C-109
52000/52001 converted to C-109
52005/52006 converted to C-109
52012 converted to C-109
52014 converted to C-109
52020/52021 converted to C-109
52023 converted to C-109
52033 converted to C-109
52042 converted to C-109
52049 converted to C-109
44-48754/49001 Ford B-24J-20-FO Liberator
48755 converted to C-109
48792 converted to C-109
48877 converted to C-109
48879 converted to C-109
48882/48883 converted to C-109
48888 converted to C-109
48890/48892 converted to C-109
48948 converted to C-109
48968 converted to C-109
48974 converted to C-109
48979 converted to C-109
48984 converted to C-109
48995/48996 converted to C-109
49001 converted to C-109
44-49002/49251 Ford B-24L-1-FO Liberator
49007/49009 converted to C-109
49011/49020 converted to C-109
49022/49023 converted to C-109
49025 converted to C-109
49030/49031 converted to C-109
49034/49035 converted to C-109
49037 converted to C-109
49040 converted to C-109
49045/49046 converted to C-109
49050/49051 converted to C-109
49057 converted to C-109
49059/49060 converted to C-109
49062/49063 converted to C-109
49065 converted to C-109
49067 converted to C-109
49071 converted to C-109
49075 converted to C-109
49077 converted to C-109
49079 converted to C-109
49184 converted to C-109
49191 converted to C-109
49197 converted to C-109
49204 converted to C-109
49208 converted to C-109
49219 converted to C-109
49222 converted to C-109
49230 converted to C-109
49234/49236 converted to C-109
49238 converted to C-109
49240 converted to C-109
49245/49249 converted to C-109
49251 converted to C-109
44-49252/49501 Ford B-24L-5-FO Liberator
49253 converted to C-109
49255/49258 converted to C-109
49265 converted to C-109
49267 converted to C-109
49269/49272 converted to C-109
49274/49277 converted to C-109
49280/49281 converted to C-109
49283/49285 converted to C-109
49288/49290 converted to C-109
49292 converted to C-109
49295 converted to C-109
49299 converted to C-109
49302/49303 converted to C-109
49305 converted to C-109
49313 converted to C-109
49317 converted to C-109
49319 converted to C-109
49326 converted to C-109
49330 converted to C-109
49333 converted to C-109
49337 converted to C-109
49344 converted to C-109
49348 converted to C-109
49351/49354 converted to C-109
49358/49359 converted to C-109
49445 converted to C-109
49466 converted to C-109
49490 converted to C-109
44-49502/49751 Ford B-24L-10-FO Liberator
49510 converted to C-109
49615 converted to C-109
49621 converted to C-109
49628 converted to C-109
49660 converted to C-109
49662 converted to C-109
49684 converted to C-109
49691 converted to C-109
49704 converted to C-109
49715 converted to C-109
49720 converted to C-109
49723 converted to C-109
49728 converted to C-109<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Copperhead310th
01-17-2007, 10:58 AM
bump<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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