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I.A.F_HITMAN
05-22-2005, 09:25 AM
HI all, i have a qusetion, what's the differnece between the YAK3P to the YAK9U and wich 1 is better, [in turnes\speed\climbing] thanks.

robban75
05-22-2005, 09:46 AM
The Yak-9U is IMO a more competent fighter compared to the Yak-3P.

Climbrate at 100% fuel in m/sec

Alt - Yak3P - Yak9U

1000 - 22.7 - 23.3
2000 - 22.2 - 23.8
3000 - 21.3 - 22.2
4000 - 20.8 - 22.7
5000 - 18.2 - 22.2

Sealevel topspeed for the Yak-9U is 590km/h, sealevel topspeed for the Yak-3P is 577km/h.

The Yak-3 is a better dogfighter, well, it turns better, but that's about it.

If you master the Yak-9U, the Yak-3P simply can't compete.

The Yak-9U is HIGHLY underrated in this sim. And I really don't know why. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Vipez-
05-22-2005, 09:54 AM
This has been in the forums a thousand times, and still once again i bother to reply here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I am mostly talking about Yak-3 vs Yak9U:

Yak-3 advantages (over Yak-9U)
- slightly better acceleration
- Slightly better agility at low speed turnfighting
- Smaller aircraft, smaller target
- Roll rates are similar, Yak-3 has slightly better roll rate at low speeds (I think.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )
- slightly better climb rate (up to 4000m, after that Yak9u is better)

Yak-9U advantages over Yak-3
- Metal construction , heavier, takes more punishment, and dives much better
- Bigger engine, faster at all altitudes. At sealevel difference is only about 20 kmh, at 6000 meters Yak9U is 70-80 kmh faster
- more ammunition
- Sexier looks
- better B&Z-plane
- better climb over 4000 m
- higher ceiling

In short, Yak-3 has 1240 hp, Yak9U has 1500 hp. Yak3 is smaller, lighter, slightly more agile at low speed turnfights. Yak-9U is faster at all altitudes, the higher you go the better it is.. infact yak9U imho is the best soviet prop plane in the game, and has good chances of beating Mustang and BF109K at 6000 meters. At sealevel on headon attack, and Yak-3 is more likely to beat the Yak-9U, after all its slightly more agile, and accelerates slightly better to top speed. But, a well flown Yak-9U is untouchable compared to Yak-3, thanks to its bigger engine. Both have very good all around vision. Yak9U has more ammunition, is better suited for B&Z-type of fighting.. and it dives much better, than Yak-3.. If i recall correctly, Yak-9U in 3.04 dives slightly over 800 kmh IAS, Yak-3 starts loosing parts after 700 kmh ias.

Most n00bish turnfighters online choose the Yak-3, but Veteran pilots choose Yak-9U anyday. I Think its the best vvs fighter in their arsenal. Plus it looks sexier http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yak-3P is the same as Yak-3 (same engine), though it has 37 mm cannon, and twin 20 mm cannons, so it's better armed.. but Yak9-UT has the same armament at 1945, 37 mm and twin 20 mm cannons. In real combat, Yak-9U probably had much more potential, than Yak-3.

edit: Robban's test show, than Yak-9U also climbs better even below 4000 mters, but i allways been under the impression Yak3 climbing better up to around 3500-4000 m.. but i might be wrong http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

VW-IceFire
05-22-2005, 10:02 AM
As already stated...the Yak-9U is by far the better all around fighter. The Yak-3 is a dogfighter plane and simple.

mynameisroland
05-22-2005, 10:22 AM
What advantages does the Yak 9U hold over the La5FN and La7 except for slightly better DM Which plane performs better above 500kmh while manuvoering

Whatever Soviet plane Im in except for the Mig 3 I end up losing my way. I am a virtual pilot who likes to keep speed up and am used to types such as 109 E7,G2,G6 (not any Mw50 models) Bf 110 and above all the Fw 190 when ever it is available. When I fly in a Lagg or Yak to even up numbers I cant seem to land hits on target always underestimating the velocity of the weapons , the ammo loads too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

So if there is a Yak9U available or a P63 Id take the US built plane over the yak purely because I feel like the P63 is more likely to bring me back to base. Ive accustomed myself to holding almost no close manuvering advantage and instead fighting in the Vertical keeping E and the initiative. When in a more manuverable plan that perhaps doesnt like to go too fast or manuver at speeds I feel at a loose end.

Its not that I cant give a good go of dogfighting horizontally or T and Burning its just that to fly like that for 20 - 30 minutes and RTB inone piece takes a hell of a lot of good luck as more and more enemies will join the fight and one is bound to catch you when your out of E and out of options.

robban75
05-22-2005, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
So if there is a Yak9U available or a P63 Id take the US built plane over the yak purely because I feel like the P63 is more likely to bring me back to base.

The P-63 can reach climbrates similar to the Yak-9U, and it can reach more than 600km/h at sealevel. And speed is life. In this game however it's more like turnrate is life. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Atomic_Marten
05-22-2005, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
As already stated...the Yak-9U is by far the better all around fighter. The Yak-3 is a dogfighter plane and simple.

!!!
True.

I am really amazed by 9U capabilities.. will take that fighter over 3 any day. I mean what's the point in being able to turn fast? Yak9U still turns faster than opposition, soo..

@Robban75 one quick question: are there differences in performance between 9U and 9UT?

robban75
05-22-2005, 11:10 AM
I haven't compared them, but I don't think there's any difference in performance, just armament.

Atomic_Marten
05-22-2005, 11:19 AM
Thanks.

I.A.F_HITMAN
05-22-2005, 11:30 AM
wow, thank's all! so i guess the yak9u is better than the 3? ...
btw- against the spit , wich one can take him faster? the 3 or the 9 ?

mynameisroland
05-22-2005, 11:34 AM
There is no easy answer to that what spit? What alt? Good or bad spit pilot?

The Yak 3 is more manuverable than spit but Spit holds the cards above 4000/6000m.

The Yak 9 is faster than Spit but probably has a slightly inferior turn. Id take the Spit as it has a higher break up speed in the dive and also a better hit spread for its weapons. It has a better made feel to it too, Yak series sound like they have tractor engines installed

robban75
05-22-2005, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
Thanks.

I just did a SL speed run, the UT reached 590km/h, just like U. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

robban75
05-22-2005, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by I.A.F_HITMAN:
wow, thank's all! so i guess the yak9u is better than the 3? ...
btw- against the spit , wich one can take him faster? the 3 or the 9 ?

Even though the Yak-9U is a superb fighter, it's probably not the best choice against the Spitfire. I'd take the Yak-3 instead. The Yak-3 is still faster than the Spit, but it can also turn with it. The Yak-9U cannot. Despite its low top speed the Spitfire has tremendous E retention, and will probably stay with the 9U through all its manouvers. In both the Yak-9U and Yak-3 you can run away from the Spit, but as I mentioned earlier, with the Yak-3 you can also turn with it. None of the Yaks can outroll the Spitfire at dogfight speeds, if the Spitfire uses rudder input in the roll.

p1ngu666
05-22-2005, 12:25 PM
la7 is better
yak3 is better
yak9u is sexy.

if u fly 9u vs la7 and 3, id bet on the yak3 and la7 to win

9u has stiff elivators, but is really good at highspeed accel, ive chaised down doras in a 9u http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

imo the yak9 series should be abit better, currently there pretty average http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

id say spitfire was better than 9u aswell

I.A.F_HITMAN
05-22-2005, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
There is no easy answer to that what spit? What alt? Good or bad spit pilot?

The Yak 3 is more manuverable than spit but Spit holds the cards above 4000/6000m.

The Yak 9 is faster than Spit but probably has a slightly inferior turn. Id take the Spit as it has a higher break up speed in the dive and also a better hit spread for its weapons. It has a better made feel to it too, Yak series sound like they have tractor engines installed

ok it against the SPIT MK IXE 1944,
ALT-3000-4500
pilot in the spit- good enough

Daiichidoku
05-22-2005, 02:04 PM
I know the Yak3P was really a 1946 deployment type, but....

was the Yak 3P ever involved in and WWII combat?
I think is is a post-war type, tha tit never saw WWII combat, but i could be wrong, and have never seen any proof if it was or wasnt in WWII combat

can anyone please shed some light on this?


disgusts me to think the Yak 3P that pollutes df servers is actually a type that never saw combat WWII, menwhile the Me 262 is banned almost everywhere

tigertalon
05-22-2005, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:

if u fly 9u vs la7 and 3, id bet on the yak3 and la7 to win


Interesting, with D9 the most capable opponent I can meet are Yak9U and P51. I fear yak9 WAY more than La7 or yak3. Yak3 is almost as slow as spit, and La7 looses half of its HP above 3-4k. But Yak9u is a very good performer at all altitures, climbs like a MiG-29.

So, if you lure (with that tremendous climb that should not be hard) La7 or Yak3 above 4k, they are toast.

@Robban: nice new sig

robban75
05-22-2005, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by tigertalon:
@Robban: nice new sig

Thanks TT! Experimenting a little with photoshop. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

tigertalon
05-22-2005, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by robban75:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tigertalon:
@Robban: nice new sig

Thanks TT! Experimenting a little with photoshop. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, I have to learn how to do prop blades.

robban75
05-22-2005, 02:57 PM
Me too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

HellToupee
05-22-2005, 05:26 PM
yak3 just has great visability http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif plus small disadvantage in speed easly fixed by being above your target http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

harryklein66
05-22-2005, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by robban75:
Me too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

use a motion blur on a gradient

VW-IceFire
05-22-2005, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
There is no easy answer to that what spit? What alt? Good or bad spit pilot?

The Yak 3 is more manuverable than spit but Spit holds the cards above 4000/6000m.

The Yak 9 is faster than Spit but probably has a slightly inferior turn. Id take the Spit as it has a higher break up speed in the dive and also a better hit spread for its weapons. It has a better made feel to it too, Yak series sound like they have tractor engines installed
Mmmm approach the Yak-9U more like a Mustang. Its been called the "Russian version of the Mustang"...speed and turn in proportionate ammounts.

Badsight.
05-22-2005, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
because I feel like the P63 is more likely to bring me back to base. well all planes with Joke DM's are like that

AlGroover
05-23-2005, 02:04 AM
Sorry, this is a copout but the best plane is the one that gets you the best results. For me that's the Yak 3.

eiffel68
05-24-2005, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by tigertalon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:

if u fly 9u vs la7 and 3, id bet on the yak3 and la7 to win


Interesting, with D9 the most capable opponent I can meet are Yak9U and P51. I fear yak9 WAY more than La7 or yak3. Yak3 is almost as slow as spit, and La7 looses half of its HP above 3-4k. But Yak9u is a very good performer at all altitures, climbs like a MiG-29.

So, if you lure (with that tremendous climb that should not be hard) La7 or Yak3 above 4k, they are toast.

@Robban: nice new sig </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know online but offline in QMB(1000m equal) a La7 ace is much more nasty to fight with A8 than a Yak9u.

Regards

p1ngu666
05-24-2005, 10:33 AM
id like a 9u with 3 20mm, that would be really sweet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

9u is good against german aircraft, but vs yak3 and la7 i dont think u can really do anything unless your a better pilot

tigertalon
05-24-2005, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
id like a 9u with 3 20mm, that would be really sweet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

9u is good against german aircraft, but vs yak3 and la7 i dont think u can really do anything unless your a better pilot

Agreed, if you fight on the deck. Like I said - above 4k you can toy with them.

Jagdklinger
05-25-2005, 05:21 AM
Have been through a flirtation with the Lavochkin and Yak series; there has been some really good posts. Robban, your data is always appreciated - thanks mate!


When I fly in a Lagg or Yak to even up numbers I cant seem to land hits on target always underestimating the velocity of the weapons , the ammo loads too
Amen brother! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I could fit more ammo than that in my pockets... ..dammed Russian lasers...


Mmmm approach the Yak-9U more like a Mustang. Its been called the "Russian version of the Mustang"...speed and turn in proportionate ammounts.
My sentiments exactly. The 9U being, arguably, better in-game.


The Yak-3 is a better dogfighter, well, it turns better, but that's about it.

If you master the Yak-9U, the Yak-3P simply can't compete.
At sealevel difference is only about 20 kmh, at 6000 meters Yak9U is 70-80 kmh faster
- more ammunition

So you can BnZ AND TnB....


I Think its the best vvs fighter in their arsenal.
Another amen! Also, one of the few VVS planes that doesn't lose half its horsepower more than 50m above sea level...

Actually, 5-round-per-gun lasers aside... ...Robban has beaten me to it by saying:

The Yak-9U is HIGHLY underrated in this sim. And I really don't know why.

Actually, the P63 comment gome interested. What's the opinion on this plane? A weird-flying turkey with a howitzer or one of the most lethal fighters in the game?

Actually, what IS the best fighter in the game? I reckon the 9U would be a prime candidate.

Has this topic been done to death already (if so, what was the general consensus) or is it worth a new thread?

mynameisroland
05-25-2005, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by Jagdklinger:
Have been through a flirtation with the Lavochkin and Yak series; there has been some really good posts. Robban, your data is always appreciated - thanks mate!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> When I fly in a Lagg or Yak to even up numbers I cant seem to land hits on target always underestimating the velocity of the weapons , the ammo loads too
Amen brother! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I could fit more ammo than that in my pockets... ..dammed Russian lasers...


Mmmm approach the Yak-9U more like a Mustang. Its been called the "Russian version of the Mustang"...speed and turn in proportionate ammounts.
My sentiments exactly. The 9U being, arguably, better in-game.


The Yak-3 is a better dogfighter, well, it turns better, but that's about it.

If you master the Yak-9U, the Yak-3P simply can't compete.
At sealevel difference is only about 20 kmh, at 6000 meters Yak9U is 70-80 kmh faster
- more ammunition

So you can BnZ AND TnB....


I Think its the best vvs fighter in their arsenal.
Another amen! Also, one of the few VVS planes that doesn't lose half its horsepower more than 50m above sea level...

Actually, 5-round-per-gun lasers aside... ...Robban has beaten me to it by saying:

The Yak-9U is HIGHLY underrated in this sim. And I really don't know why.

Actually, the P63 comment gome interested. What's the opinion on this plane? A weird-flying turkey with a howitzer or one of the most lethal fighters in the game?

Actually, what IS the best fighter in the game? I reckon the 9U would be a prime candidate.

Has this topic been done to death already (if so, what was the general consensus) or is it worth a new thread? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your last question's made me take the bait. I would not rank any Russian Fighter save for the La7 in my top 5 fighters in the game list. What I look for most in a fighter in no particular order is : speed, firepower, solid construction, visability, combat persistence, looks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, ablity to disengage if outnumbered, controllability at high speeds, E retention.

My Top 5 fighters in game are

1.Fw190D Performance and E retention
2.Fw190A Firepower, looks and ability in comparison with contemporaries 41/43.
3.Mustang Speed, E retention, cockpit, guns
4.Spitfire VIII Manuverability, high alt performance, weapons, looks.
5.La7 Low alt performance, speed, guns, delta wood

regards Boemher