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XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 05:38 AM
Thanx for having the Mustang as a flyable plane. I was just curious on something. I was wondering if anyone could let me know if I am doing something wrong. I fly the 51 at about 8-9K meters. I have cowling closed, prop pitch set to give me best rpms. I am trying best to niether climb or dive and I seem to not be getting it's top speed and performance at high alt. I also got caught by a P-47 and a KI-84 at this same alt. I've been trying some speed tests since and still can't get it's maximum speed at alt. I know the Mustang should get 427 mph max, and I haven't gotten close w/o diving. I've tried to see if I can control suppercharge stage and fuel mix, but nothing. Are they not manually adjustable? I know at low altitudes the 51 was nothing special, but at high altitudes it would pretty much leave everything else behind. I'm still trying out it's manuevering, but as far as speed it isn't were I thought it would be. Then again, I many not be doing something correctly. If so, someone please let me know.

Game is still great though. I enjoy it thoroughly.

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XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 05:38 AM
Thanx for having the Mustang as a flyable plane. I was just curious on something. I was wondering if anyone could let me know if I am doing something wrong. I fly the 51 at about 8-9K meters. I have cowling closed, prop pitch set to give me best rpms. I am trying best to niether climb or dive and I seem to not be getting it's top speed and performance at high alt. I also got caught by a P-47 and a KI-84 at this same alt. I've been trying some speed tests since and still can't get it's maximum speed at alt. I know the Mustang should get 427 mph max, and I haven't gotten close w/o diving. I've tried to see if I can control suppercharge stage and fuel mix, but nothing. Are they not manually adjustable? I know at low altitudes the 51 was nothing special, but at high altitudes it would pretty much leave everything else behind. I'm still trying out it's manuevering, but as far as speed it isn't were I thought it would be. Then again, I many not be doing something correctly. If so, someone please let me know.

Game is still great though. I enjoy it thoroughly.

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XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 05:48 AM
Those are some of the issues with this version of the Mustang. hopefully in the final patch they will be corrected.

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XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 06:00 AM
Ok, I'm not sure if they tested planes as they test planes now, but max speed of a plane isn't the speed it can reach straight and level, but the max speed the airplane can go without parts threatening to come off.

For example, in a small Cessna 152, the max speed is listed as 152knots, roughly. It can only attain about 110knots straight and level. I'm sure this speed issue holds true for most other aircraft, especially at high altitudes.

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XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 06:25 AM
That's VNE. Max speed is the speed it can keep in level flight. At least in this context.

XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 06:37 AM
Ahh, I stand corrected.

Yep, I was referring to Vne.

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XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 08:23 AM
At 9km, the P-47 should have a slightly higher top speed than the P-51. The aircraft both have very close max speeds, but the P-51 reaches it's peak at 7600m and the P-47 at 9100m.

However, the Ki-84 is able to out run both of them at high altitude, something it likely should not be able to do. The Ki-84 should reach its top speed at 6100, but it seems to be able to reach equally high speeds at 7600 and 9000 as well.

Harry Voyager

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XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 09:52 AM
HarryVoyager wrote:
- At 9km, the P-47 should have a slightly higher top
- speed than the P-51. The aircraft both have very
- close max speeds, but the P-51 reaches it's peak at
- 7600m and the P-47 at 9100m.
-
- However, the Ki-84 is able to out run both of them
- at high altitude, something it likely should not be
- able to do. The Ki-84 should reach its top speed at
- 6100, but it seems to be able to reach equally high
- speeds at 7600 and 9000 as well.
-
- Harry Voyager
-
The P-51 was faster then both the P-47 and Ki84 at altitudes above 20,000 feet (6,000 meters). The Ki84 had a top speed of 388mph upto 20,000 feet. The P-47D had a top speed of 430mph above 20,000 feet. And the P-51D had a top speed of 437mph above 20,000 feet. Without question the Mustang should be the fastest prop in the game at high altitude (much faster then the Frank) but as of now the high altitude performance is off for the Mustang. Oleg posted something like "The P-51 has been corrected for final release". Im not sure what he meant by that, but I hope its for the better and not the worse. But like Harry said the Mustang and the Jug are very close and the Jug might take the advantage at around 9000 meters and I can live with that/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Also the Mustang should be able to break 12,000 meters (In the leaked beta it did it rather easily) but as of now its a struggle to break 10,000 meters!
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XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 05:26 PM
VMF-214_HaVoK wrote:
- The P-51 was faster then both the P-47 and Ki84 at
- altitudes above 20,000 feet (6,000 meters). The Ki84
- had a top speed of 388mph upto 20,000 feet. The
- P-47D had a top speed of 430mph above 20,000 feet.
- And the P-51D had a top speed of 437mph above 20,000
- feet. Without question the Mustang should be the
- fastest prop in the game at high altitude

At 10k, the P47 should probably outstrip the P51 too,
as the big radial lost less power at extreme altitude
than the Merlin.

Also if we get a Spitfire XIV then that will be a shade
faster than the P51D at virtually all altitudes. However,
the difference is small (less than 10mph) and would also
have depended in real life on boost and octane ratings.
I think the Merlin got cleared for high boosts before the
Griffon, so it would be possible for the P51Ds of a USAAF
unit with the right octane fuel and boost adjustments
to outstrip the P51D at 25,000 feet, or vice versa. We
don't get detailed modelling of octanes and boosts, though.

XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 08:18 PM
Maybe you will see the XIV in BoB. Doubt we see it in FB, but you never know.
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XyZspineZyX
11-16-2003, 08:59 PM
There is an XIV in development along with a cockpit and with both clipped and non-clipped wings.

If all goes well, this will get into the game at a later date. Infact the rest of us non-modeling types should see what we can do to give encouragement to these guys!

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XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 03:44 AM
Which version did Gibbage just complete?

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ZG77_Nagual
11-17-2003, 04:06 AM
Mkxiv external model - clipped is, I believe completed by Fieval. Lat I heard he was looking for someone to texture the cockpit and had also pretty much completed the non-clipped version

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XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 05:32 AM
I think Gibbages model will be the only Spitfire to make the payfor expansion which is slated for Jan. 14, 2004. But I could be wrong.
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XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 11:46 AM
VW-IceFire wrote:
- If all goes well, this will get into the game at a
- later date. Infact the rest of us non-modeling
- types should see what we can do to give
- encouragement to these guys!

Yes - they are very talented. I've tried to mess
around with 3dmax (the free version), Blender etc.
Making a sphere is about my modelling limit! It's
just so counterintuitive. Maybe when they finall
make 3d goggles and data gloves for Joe Public
so we can use our hands it'll be easier!

Until then, hats off to anyone with the patience
to work with these tools, let alone the talent!

XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 04:31 PM
I'm not at this point even sure if Gibbages Spitfire will be flyable. Haven't heard a word about the cockpit in a while.

Its a Mark V...so its barely competitive with the FW190A-4. Its a great plane and probably very deadly in the right hands and I'll take it up for a spin on any server regardless of what the planeset may be (ie. a 1945 server with access to all planes) but the real competitive models will be the IX that he's modeling the Fievels XIV (which should be able to hold its own against ANYTHING).

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XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 06:31 PM
Yeah, Gib's done the mk.V.. started work -I hear- on the mk.IX.. Both will be flyable.

Fievel's mk.XIV looks promising but there's no guarantee it'll make the addon.. (Though i'd say it probably will.)

@ Havok.. expect to see only mk.I/mk.II spits in BoB, the mk.XIV didn't appear until 1944!

I love my p39 but I don't think i'll use any other plane at all when i get my clipped wing mk.IX /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

the mk.XIV will just kick ***, but doesn't have the mk.IXs' grace /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 06:38 PM
Iam curious, about all this talk about which planes are fast up high...

1. TA 152 will be faster than all props up high when i comes, in the 30,000 feet area it does 450, higher up 470s...

2. I dunno if we are getting it but the P47M was a pure monster, 470s-500 up high... are we getting this beast?

ZG77_Nagual
11-17-2003, 06:41 PM
Don't forget the p-63 - or your apt to be in for an ugly surprise /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 06:50 PM
whats so special about the P63? where talking about high alt fighters... ??? i havent really looked it up?

XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 06:54 PM
JG26_Red wrote:
- Iam curious, about all this talk about which planes
- are fast up high...
-
- 1. TA 152 will be faster than all props up high
- when i comes, in the 30,000 feet area it does 450,
- higher up 470s...
-
- 2. I dunno if we are getting it but the P47M was a
- pure monster, 470s-500 up high... are we getting
- this beast?
-
-I sure hope so. It will be easy to justify putting in the P-47M with the arrival of the TA 152. Heck...might aswell give us the P-51K too/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif





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XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 07:08 PM
k shouldnt be put in, unless they are added planes that didnt see action in WW2 europe...

XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 07:22 PM
JG26_Red wrote:
- k shouldnt be put in, unless they are added planes
- that didnt see action in WW2 europe...
-
-

The K was a P-51D manufacured in Dallas. There was many such a/c in the ETO.




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XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 07:25 PM
maybe i was thinking of the H

XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 07:29 PM
what about the corsair vmf214? make a skin like papys...

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 12:16 PM
JG26_Red wrote:
- Iam curious, about all this talk about which planes
- are fast up high...
-
- 1. TA 152 will be faster than all props up high
- when i comes, in the 30,000 feet area it does 450,
- higher up 470s...
-
- 2. I dunno if we are getting it but the P47M was a
- pure monster, 470s-500 up high... are we getting
- this beast?

It's a shame the Hawker Fury missed WW2, although
the prototype flew in 1944. The Sabre version could manage
485mph at 18000ftin combat configuration, but wasn't
produced due to the war ending. For the version produced in
numbers, the Sea Fury, it was still a creditable 460 at
18,000 ft.

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 11:16 AM
One 1695 hp Packard Merlin V-1650-7 twelve-cylinder Vee liquid-cooled engine.


Maximum Speed:
395 mph at 5000 feet (635 kph at 1,524 meters)
416 mph at 10,000 feet (669 kph at 3,048 meters)
424 mph at 20,000 feet (682 kph at 6,096 meters)
437 mph at 25,000 feet (703 kph at 7,620 meters)


Range:
950 miles at 395 mph at 25,000 feet (clean)
2300 miles with maximum fuel (including drop tanks) of 489 US gallons under most economical cruise conditions


Initial climb rate:
3,475 feet (1,059 meters) per minute
5,000 feet (1,524 meters) in 1.7 minutes
10,000 feet (3,048 meters) in 3.3 minutes
20,000 feet (6,096 in 7.3 minutes


Service ceiling:
41,900 feet (12,771 meters)



I have not seen anyone else post anyother speed of performance specs other then top speed. So here is the rest. If you Luftwhiners out there think these numbers are wrong...prove it, I bet you cant/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 11:20 AM
JG26_Red wrote:
- Iam curious, about all this talk about which planes
- are fast up high...
-
- 1. TA 152 will be faster than all props up high
- when i comes, in the 30,000 feet area it does 450,
- higher up 470s...
-
- 2. I dunno if we are getting it but the P47M was a
- pure monster, 470s-500 up high... are we getting
- this beast?
-
Here is the real badboy!
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Manufacturer: Grumman

Powerplant: One Pratt & Whitney R-2800-30W Engine Twin-row 18 cylinder Air-cooled Radial 2250 hp

Length: 27' 6"

Height: 13' 10"

Wingspan: 35' 6"

Max. Speed: 455 mph @ 28,000 feet

Cruise Speed: 185-220 mph

Landing Speed: 105 mph

Max. Weight: 13,460 lbs

Empty Weight: 7,650 lbs

Normal Range: 865 miles

Max. Range: 1,435 miles

Initial rate of climb: 6,300 ft/min

Ceiling: 40,800 ft

Armament: Four 20mm cannons, up to 2,000 lbs of bombs or four 5-inch rockets
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XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 09:50 PM
VMF-214_HaVoK wrote:
- Cruise Speed: 185-220 mph

At what altitude? Is that IAS or TAS.
This seems a very low cruise speed
for a fighter. The P51 typically
cruised at anything up to 100mph more
than this, TAS, at altitude.
(Although I am always impressed by
the English Electric Lightning which
could cruise at over Mach 1...).





Message Edited on 11/19/0308:51PM by AaronGT

XyZspineZyX
11-20-2003, 10:47 AM
AaronGT wrote:
- VMF-214_HaVoK wrote:
-- Cruise Speed: 185-220 mph
-
- At what altitude? Is that IAS or TAS.
- This seems a very low cruise speed
- for a fighter. The P51 typically
- cruised at anything up to 100mph more
- than this, TAS, at altitude.
- (Although I am always impressed by
- the English Electric Lightning which
- could cruise at over Mach 1...).
-
-
-
-
-
-
-Those second set of specs are for the Bearcat with a pic of it as well. The post of mine above that is for the P-51. And I believe the cruise speed for the P-51 is 350MPH.
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XyZspineZyX
11-20-2003, 01:52 PM
I was just wondering if that F8F cruise figure was
correct, that's all, as it seems awfully low.

XyZspineZyX
11-20-2003, 06:09 PM
AaronGT wrote:
- I was just wondering if that F8F cruise figure was
- correct, that's all, as it seems awfully low.
-
-

Yes I would agree it does seem low.

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