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HotelBushranger
05-06-2005, 11:12 PM
I know it's too late, but do you think it would have been a good decision to implement more biplanes into the game? I'm thinking along the lines of Hawker Hinds/Harts (mmmm), for as they were pre-war planes, they served up until 1941 in the Middle East and Burma. And seeing as there are other pre-war planes, Glads, TB-3's etc, it wouldn't be too unreasonable. What do you think?
Also how long does it take to make a complete aircraft for this sim?

Cheers

FI-Aflak
05-06-2005, 11:35 PM
I love biplanes, I'd love to see more.

What I'd really like to see, though, is a WWI sim of this quality. It'd be fantastic.

F19_Ob
05-07-2005, 02:06 AM
Likem too.
There are lots of them used in ww2 on all sides for secondline duties although sometimes involved in combat.

The germans had even many of the italian cr42 that we have in the game, in addition to their own.
but as u said...too late for anything more in this sim.
I think we have to be happy if this last patch is released at all.
I suspect our hardworking team has work over their heads with BoB already and seemingly they have very few people doing everything.
As I understand they've been working so for years now and that must be hard.

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HotelBushranger
05-07-2005, 04:13 AM
http://img108.echo.cx/img108/5255/hawkerhind019cv.jpg

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I think we have to be happy if this last patch is released at all.
I suspect our hardworking team has work over their heads with BoB already and seemingly they have very few people doing everything.
As I understand they've been working so for years now and that must be hard.

I agree. What the team has done over the yeras is pretty outstanding, so to demand for more would be inappropriate. Still, it's a d@mn nice plane... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Capt_Haddock
05-07-2005, 04:26 AM
I'd love any of those.

If it wasn't for the annoying fact that we have to work to pay the bills, we would have made a Hawker Hart a long time ago at F19 Squadron.

It just takes so long to model anything for this game... About 1 month full-time for the external (160 hours), and another month for a single seater cockpit (320 hours in total). And that doens't include research, which in some lesser known planes (like the J8A) can be extremely time consuming.

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh2.jpg

HotelBushranger
05-07-2005, 04:50 AM
I'd love any of those.

If it wasn't for the annoying fact that we have to work to pay the bills, we would have made a Hawker Hart a long time ago at F19 Squadron.

It just takes so long to model anything for this game... About 1 month full-time for the external (160 hours), and another month for a single seater cockpit (320 hours in total). And that doens't include research, which in some lesser known planes (like the J8A) can be extremely time consuming.

Ahhh, well fair enough. It's still saddening at the fact that so many good aeroplanes are left out the game. The Hind (pic above) is one of the absolute faves, and could have also been adapted to make a WW1 Campaignby someone-we've already got the Po-2, J8 and Cr 42. Woulda been nice :'( Oh well

Cheers anyway

major_setback
05-07-2005, 05:09 AM
In case anyone is interested... a related thread with screenshots of WW1 flight sims/games.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/8071002813


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WoWjpeg005.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WoWjpeg017.jpg

Capt_Haddock
05-07-2005, 01:46 PM
Well, WWI is not bad but what we really need is more biplanes form the golden age of aviation: the 1930's.

Those were the best and nicest biplanes ever, and so few flightsims have included them in the past.

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh2.jpg

FoolTrottel
05-07-2005, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Capt_Haddock:
Well, WWI is not bad but what we really need is more biplanes form the golden age of aviation: the 1930's.

Those were the best and nicest biplanes ever, and so few flightsims have included them in the past.

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh2.jpg

Yep, like this one:
http://www.boeing.com/history/boeing/images/p12e.jpg
http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/mig_exp/us_boeing-f4b-4_1928-2.jpg

Saunders1953
05-07-2005, 02:30 PM
I'm with you guys. I'd like to have the Swordfish and the Vildebeest. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Feathered_IV
05-07-2005, 05:52 PM
A China add on for PF maybe?

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/images/hawkiii_1.jpg

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/images/a1n2_ryujo.jpg

Such an exotic mix of aircraft were used. Truly forgotten battles if ever there were any.

heywooood
05-07-2005, 09:35 PM
http://www.edwards.af.mil/gallery/html_pgs/images/fighter/p12-2_072.jpg

P-12 is a sweet bipe


http://www.edwards.af.mil/gallery/html_pgs/images/fighter/p26-1_072.jpg

not a bipe - but a fun bird to fly I would imagine..

HotelBushranger
05-08-2005, 02:39 AM
Well, WWI is not bad but what we really need is more biplanes form the golden age of aviation: the 1930's.

Those were the best and nicest biplanes ever, and so few flightsims have included them in the past.

He has a d@mn good point. Some of the biplanes of the 30's were better than some of the monoplanes, and most were at least equal to them.

Nice carrier plane
http://img161.echo.cx/img161/5503/hawkernimrod10oclock5ak.jpg

http://img161.echo.cx/img161/1701/hawkerhart011wc.jpg
I have several photos of this, but somes sources say its a Hawker Hart, whilst some say its a Hawker Hind. Can someone elaborate? The main difference between the two is the new Kestrel 640 hp engine, but are there any significant visual differences? Cheers in advance

PS I'm pretty sure its a Hind

GerritJ9
05-08-2005, 03:35 AM
The single-seater in the top pic is, I think, a Hawker Fury.
The LVA in Holland and the KNIL in the NEI both used two-seat biplanes in WW2- the Fokker C.V and C.X, so these would be great add-ons for PF..... not to mention various biplane floatplanes such as the Fokker C.XI-W. Plus of course the reconnaissance biplane floatplanes used by the IJN.

F19_Olli72
05-08-2005, 03:49 AM
Sad thing with PF...all that potential lost. The Peashooters of Philippine airforce, the biplanes in China... man that wouldve been fun.

Flakenstien
05-08-2005, 03:53 AM
Not to mention the Staggerwing 17, F3F-2 (Grumman)and a Stearman PT-17 for a trainer to practice with http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

FoolTrottel
05-08-2005, 03:57 AM
Something found here (http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/hind.html)
"The Hind was developed to meet Air Ministry Specification G.7/34. This meant it was a Hart replacement, albeit as an interim measure till the Blenheim and Battle could be brought into service in numbers. The main differences with the earlier Hart are a new powerplant (the Rolls Royce Kestrel V) and the inclusion of refinements from the earlier derivatives such as the cut-down rear cockpit developed for the Demon. The prototype (K2915) was constructed very rapidly due to Hawker's development work for other proposals, and made its first flight on September 12, 1934. A variety of changes were subsequently incorporated ('ram's horn manifolds, Fairy-Reed metal propeller, and engine options) and the first production Hind (K4636) was flown on September 4 1935."

So, it seems the cut down rear cockpit is the most visible difference.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/h1559.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/hawkerhart011wc.jpg

Feathered_IV
05-08-2005, 04:34 AM
Not a bipe but I think it deserves an honourary inclusion:

http://www.histoiredumonde.net/IMG/gif/des-14.gif

http://www.histoiredumonde.net/IMG/gif/fac-14.gif

http://modelstories.free.fr/histokits/Museevariation_P/img12.jpg

http://www.histoiredumonde.net/IMG/gif/prof-15.gif



Planes with pants http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Capt_Haddock
05-08-2005, 04:42 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Not a bipe but I think it deserves an honourary inclusion

Indeed. The Dewoitine D.510 is absolutelly brilliant.

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh2.jpg

JamesBlonde888
05-08-2005, 04:57 AM
I am liking the idea of a sort of What if it all went horribly wrong..? scenario based around the Munich crisis. Imagine taking a Hawker Fury up against a Bucker Jungmeister. That would be a lot of fun

JamesBlonde888
05-08-2005, 05:01 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Well, WWI is not bad but what we really need is more biplanes form the golden age of aviation: the 1930's.

Those were the best and nicest biplanes ever, and so few flightsims have included them in the past.

He has a d@mn good point. Some of the biplanes of the 30's were better than some of the monoplanes, and most were at least equal to them.

Nice carrier plane
PS I'm pretty sure its a Hind </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The aircraft at the top is a Hawker Fury fighter
At the bottom is a Hart bomber, similar but an extra cockpit for chucking bombs out of.

F19_Olli72
05-08-2005, 05:05 AM
Originally posted by JamesBlonde888:
similar but an extra cockpit for chucking bombs out of.

Umm that was WW1 mate, the Hind had bombracks under the wings:
http://www.simviation.com/lair/images/da-hind01.jpg

JamesBlonde888
05-08-2005, 05:20 AM
What do you suppose the other fellow does back there then? Brews tea? You're right about the bomb racks though. I think they mounted twin Lewises on scarff rings in the rear cockpit.

Capt_Haddock
05-08-2005, 05:26 AM
Originally posted by JamesBlonde888:
What do you suppose the other fellow does back there then? Brews tea?

Well, that is a very sensible idea http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh2.jpg

HotelBushranger
05-08-2005, 05:55 AM
The single-seater in the top pic is, I think, a Hawker Fury.

No, the top pic is a Hawker Nimrod, a carrier based fighter.


What do you suppose the other fellow does back there then? Brews tea?

Well mate, suppose some nasty German comes along and plonks his behind on your six? Do you suppose the bloke in the back will chuck bombs at him http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And bombracks WERE used in WW1, you know. Chucking bombs was 1914 style, FE2b's throwing incindery bombs (can never spell that right)

Edit:

"The Hind was developed to meet Air Ministry Specification G.7/34. This meant it was a Hart replacement, albeit as an interim measure till the Blenheim and Battle could be brought into service in numbers. The main differences with the earlier Hart are a new powerplant (the Rolls Royce Kestrel V) and the inclusion of refinements from the earlier derivatives such as the cut-down rear cockpit developed for the Demon. The prototype (K2915) was constructed very rapidly due to Hawker's development work for other proposals, and made its first flight on September 12, 1934. A variety of changes were subsequently incorporated ('ram's horn manifolds, Fairy-Reed metal propeller, and engine options) and the first production Hind (K4636) was flown on September 4 1935."

So, it seems the cut down rear cockpit is the most visible difference.

Thanks mate, got a book on bombers with the Hind and Hart in it, and that's about the same result I got. Cheers for the effort

gombal40
05-08-2005, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Capt_Haddock:
I'd love any of those.

If it wasn't for the annoying fact that we have to work to pay the bills, we would have made a Hawker Hart a long time ago at F19 Squadron.

It just takes so long to model anything for this game... About 1 month full-time for the external (160 hours), and another month for a single seater cockpit (320 hours in total). And that doens't include research, which in some lesser known planes (like the J8A) can be extremely time consuming.

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh2.jpg

please please please win a lottery and make the Hart for BoB

Taylortony
05-08-2005, 12:56 PM
I may or may not go to the

2005 GREAT VINTAGE FLYING WEEKEND


want me to take a few piccies....? it's still up in the air at them moment because our pilot may be away... if he is we wont be able to fly in...

a spit and hurri will be there ......

http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/as_may05.html

Yog_Shoggoth
05-08-2005, 03:02 PM
If BOB let me hunt type VIIs with a swordfish I would pay double the asking price. I love bipes and I want to put the shoe on the other foot as far as SHIII goes.

PBNA-Boosher
05-08-2005, 03:04 PM
U-2VS! = Po-2!

W00T!