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ake109
06-29-2007, 10:01 PM
Its the 2 huge dispensers on the IL2 which drop these ball like things that blow up in big clouds of flame? Makes the damn plane fly like a dog too.

What are they? I can't seem to find more info on them from the web. Napalm dispensers? Were they used much IRL?

Thanks.

Zeus-cat
06-29-2007, 10:14 PM
They are more like napalm bomblet dispensers. Use them against clusters of soft targets like convoys, massed trucks or airplanes (or anything) lined up in rows. No idea if they were used much in real life.

Hanglands
06-30-2007, 03:10 PM
Hi,

I'd be interested too if anyone has further information on these.

The absence of info out there migh suggest they were used infrequently perhaps?

I cant find much either online or off.

There were VAP 1000s containig 700l of agent, so I guess a VAP 250 would contain 175l? I found a mention of phosphorus in relation to VAP contents.

There was also a VAP 200 which apparently contained toxic agents.

I believe there was a family of bombs with the ZAP acronym, but am unsure if they are in anyway related.

In game they are best used exactly as Zeus-Cat says. I found that bomb delay has no effect on this weapon at all. Fifty canisters are release, 25 from each of the two pods. They are released over a period of 4.5 seconds, there is an inbuilt delay of 1.5 seconds before ignition, and ignition lasts for 6.0 seconds.

Though they are best suited to soft targets as ZC said, the VAPs are still capable of destroying a buildings and bridges (wooden ones at least, didnt test concrete/steel ones). And, whereas a bomb will blow a bridge section out, the VAP will destroy vast sections.

I think it would be good to surprise enemy formations with - a good shock tactic too : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5xAl1RQznJw (see the bit from 0:23 onwards)

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/vap1.jpg

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/vap2.jpg

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/vap3.jpg

Regards.

tigertalon
06-30-2007, 03:16 PM
Little known about it is that VAP250 is besides PTAB one of the best antitank weapons in the sim. Fly as straight as possible around 40 meters above column of tanks and unleash hell. Altitude is important however, as a small deviation from it already can make your pass fruitless (against tanks that is).

With a bit of luck you can take out 10 tanks in a single pass and run home. I still prefer PTABs for antitank duties tho.

SaQSoN
06-30-2007, 03:26 PM
This devices were, actually, a liquid containers/dispencers.

Used for dispencing various liquid chemical combat substances, including agents for creating a smoke screens, poisonous agents, etc. They were developed in cooperation with German engineers during mid-late 1920-s. Germans also had similar devices in their inventory, but seldomly used them.

In the game this devices simulate a load of water, mixed with white phosforus. The water was needed to keep the phosoforus from self-igniting. When the mix was poured out of the VAP, the pieces of phosforus were released from water and instantly began to oxidize with very high temperature.

This load was effective against infantry, as well, as against soft and light armoured vehicles.

It's combat effect can be compared with Napalm, yet it was much more expencieve, dangerous (to the user) and difficult to use.

SaQSoN
06-30-2007, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by Hanglands:
I believe there was a family of bombs with the ZAP acronym, but am unsure if they are in anyway related.

ZAP is acronym for "Zapasnoy Avia Polk", or Spare Air Regiment - a training unit, where pilots were combat trained after flight schools, after injury, rest, or during conversion to a new AC type.

VAP stends for "Vilivnoy Avia Pribor", or Liquid Dispencer Device for Aircraft.

So, as you see, this two acronyms are totally unrelated.

There was a different similar acronym: ZAB - "Zajigatelnaya Avia Bomba", or Incendiary Aircraft Bomb.
ZABs were conventional "termite" incendiary, made from a mix of "color" metal powders.

Hanglands
07-01-2007, 03:05 AM
Hi SaQSoN,

Some great info there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Thanks.

With regard to the 'ZAP' acronym, here are three references to munitions with the ZAP designation. (Though one of these pages is in Finnish, and the other is translated from Japanese - so maybe there is something lost in the translation or I misunderstand it.)

Maybe you can shed some light on this?

First from HERE (http://www.joensuu.fi/mekri/sotahistoria/il2.htm) is this :

"PTAB- pst-ontelopommeja sirottimissaan, <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">VAP/ZAP-200</span> polttotaisteluainekanistereita, torpedoja jne."

Next, from HERE (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ar-2_(%25E8%2588%25AA%25E7%25A9%25BA%25E6%25A9%259F)&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=6&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dvap%2Bzap%2Bfab%26hl%3Den) is this :

"Inside of a plane bomb airlift: To 1600 kg: 100 kg bomb ×6, 250 kg bomb ×2, 500 kg bomb ×1, <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">VAP-500</span> (вап-500), <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">ZAP-500</span> (зап-500)"

And lastly, from HERE (http://66.249.91.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://usuarios.lycos.es/sanmarca/historia.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dvap%2Bzap%2Bfab%26hl%3Den) comes this :

"it counted in addition on a load to 200 kg of pumps, or 6 rockets RS-82, or 2 chemical offensive product deposits (<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">2 VAP-6M or 2 ZAP-6</span>)"

Any ideas?

Regards

SaQSoN
07-01-2007, 01:01 PM
Well, so far, I found only one reference to ZAP (which is not a spare regiment) in russian sources.

Acording to the article, I found, ZAP was an "add-on" device to VAP, which was installed on the bottom of the VAP device near it's nozzle and was used to ignite the incendiary agent, dispenced from VAP.

Also, according to that source, in the case, a contents of the VAP could not be dispenced due to some tech failure, the devices were to be dropped on target as ordinary bombs. It was absolutely forbidden to attempt landing with the filled VAPs.

Sillius_Sodus
07-01-2007, 01:57 PM
Log onto M4T, and download IL2 Wingman, it has some info on the VAP.

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

Hanglands
07-02-2007, 07:10 PM
Thanks SaQSon for that information, interesting. I wonder, what is you source? (Russian language I know, but I am interested).
Also, is there any reference in your source as to how much this particular weapon was used (with or without the ZAP?)

Thanks also to Sillius_Sodus for the tip.

Regards.