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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 03:25 PM
I've heard a few folks complain that il-2:FB in virtually unplayable in its current condition due to bugs, catostrophic issues relating to flight/damage models, unrealistic gunnery skills of AI, wacked dynamic campaign, etc.. Some say they'll only play it when the patch is released and even then, they may end up shelving the game. I'm just curious. What's the alternative? The original IL-2? I've pretty much tried all of the wwII prop sims (except for Janes Attack Squadron) and I must say, il-2:FB is by far the best. Mabye ignorance is bliss for I don't know all the physics behind what goes into flight models, damage models, etc.. but il-2:FB just feels and looks the best. Graphically, no other game can touch it. In my opinion, il-2:FB has the best of both worlds:eye candy and depth. I realize there are issues with the game but like any piece of complex software, there's always going to be issues. It seems to me that there's 3rd party stuff floating around that has greatly improved this game from the box version. The DCG is a very powerful tool for both offline/online campaigning that gives the mission creator great power to tweak. The guys over at the mudmovers website have crafted some really awesome epic campaigns that if you listen to the in-game advice, you can fly a mission campaign and survive. I'm just sort of amazed when I hear some of the complaints because it's not like there's another wwII flight sim that remotely compares. out the box il-2:FB is substantially better than any other sim regardless of how other sims have been modded by their respective communities. just my opinion http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 03:25 PM
I've heard a few folks complain that il-2:FB in virtually unplayable in its current condition due to bugs, catostrophic issues relating to flight/damage models, unrealistic gunnery skills of AI, wacked dynamic campaign, etc.. Some say they'll only play it when the patch is released and even then, they may end up shelving the game. I'm just curious. What's the alternative? The original IL-2? I've pretty much tried all of the wwII prop sims (except for Janes Attack Squadron) and I must say, il-2:FB is by far the best. Mabye ignorance is bliss for I don't know all the physics behind what goes into flight models, damage models, etc.. but il-2:FB just feels and looks the best. Graphically, no other game can touch it. In my opinion, il-2:FB has the best of both worlds:eye candy and depth. I realize there are issues with the game but like any piece of complex software, there's always going to be issues. It seems to me that there's 3rd party stuff floating around that has greatly improved this game from the box version. The DCG is a very powerful tool for both offline/online campaigning that gives the mission creator great power to tweak. The guys over at the mudmovers website have crafted some really awesome epic campaigns that if you listen to the in-game advice, you can fly a mission campaign and survive. I'm just sort of amazed when I hear some of the complaints because it's not like there's another wwII flight sim that remotely compares. out the box il-2:FB is substantially better than any other sim regardless of how other sims have been modded by their respective communities. just my opinion http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 03:32 PM
The alternative should be the original IL2

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 04:51 PM
I only play IL2. From what Ive heard, FBs flight models are wrong. And also, I would have to upgrade memory and video card to play FB. I am waiting for the patch and if the feedback is good from the community, than I will get FB. IL2 is great. The online actions are awesome. The Pilot career is lousy no dynamic campaign. I am currently playing the old Mig alley. Its a fantastic dynamic campaign.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 05:03 PM
Ok here's the basic...people are too critical if you read into the whiner posts you'll see exactly what it is, nitpicking, Waaa the .50s dont puncture a tank at this angle, waaa the 109 climbs a bit too slow, and i cant see over the dash to see some more radiator...the game's still good in my opinion, and better than the original, the graphics are better, the ability to use skins is a nice touch, and bombers, although difficult to bomb with they're deffinitly fun. So i'd go ahead and buy it, why not buy the first? Well because then you'll realize you should have just bought Forgotten Battles, you can play and complain with the rest if nothing else while you wait for the patch /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 05:12 PM
Unplayable is very, VERY harsh.
Yes, there are some gripes about the flight model, but that doesn't mean I don't play it! Hell no! I enjoy it very much actually! I think this is the case with most of us... Otherwise we wouldn't post here ^_^



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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 05:13 PM
FB is a great game.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 05:15 PM
As one put it once in another forum.
"We're whining on a high level"
The real problem is, that Oleg used to listen to the community (he still does, but not to this forum http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif).
That opened the door for the overdose of critics you see here.
There are other games like Strike Fighters or especially CFS 3 that have much greater bugs, but people dont whine there because they know they're not heard anyway.

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Cpt.LoneRanger
07-15-2003, 05:19 PM
FB is not perfect, but it's far from unplayable.

...and that from a fan who usually flies the P39, P40 and P47... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Besides that, IL2 would be the only alternative.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 05:25 PM
theRealAntEater wrote:
- The real problem is, that Oleg used to listen to the
- community (he still does, but not to this forum /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ).

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 05:25 PM
Saying it's unplayable is rediculous. I've been playing it since release. The patch makes it better no doubt, but it doesn't turn an unplayable game into a playable one.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 05:29 PM
stubby wrote:
- I've heard a few folks complain that il-2:FB in
- virtually unplayable in its current condition

That's the key, stubby, "a few folks."

FB is certainly playable,and enjoyable. No computer game has ever been perfect. The upcoming patch should help, as did the patches for IL2.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 05:38 PM
Dude i think this game owns, but when the patch comes out i may faint

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 05:44 PM
Harry14843 wrote:

- FB is certainly playable,and enjoyable. No computer
- game has ever been perfect. The upcoming patch
- should help, as did the patches for IL2.


Yep, few people remember the old days before IL2 patches were released.


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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 05:49 PM
FB is not unplayable but air combat depicted in it is unrealistic.

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 06:00 PM
I think too many people put too much faith in what others say.

FB is a great game,<table style="filter:glow[color=green,strength=4)">In My Opinion.</table style>
Go try it for yourself.
Decide for yourself.

How long do you think this many people will be playing FB online?
You're wasting your experience IMHO.


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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 06:05 PM
How can any flight sim ever depict 'realistic' air combat? I believe some of the online arenas come pretty close and some of the missions created by the community steps it up a notch but I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Is it unrealistic due to the game itself or how one chooses to fly it? stubby

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 06:20 PM
Well for me - after some driver updates and adjustments
FB runs very well.


If you need a break or looking for an alternative i know
only 2 good options


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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 06:29 PM
WB Free Host! Evil pirated hackerware! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif LOL.



krause wrote:
- Well for me - after some driver updates and
- adjustments
- FB runs very well.
-
-
- If you need a break or looking for an alternative i
- know
- only 2 good options
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-
- Online:
-
- http://www.wbfree.net/
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-
- ;-)
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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 06:35 PM
hm

IEN take a lot money (to much) for no developement........

FH developes this great game for free.

For me FH is the best massivemultiplayer Flysimm at the market.
There is so many added and corrected and still in work;
IENs Server won t be empty if they did 10% of the work.

Also IEN was able to get all this for free - they won t !

PS: and if this would be Hacking....
it won t be online ;-)

Message Edited on 07/15/0306:36PM by krause

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 06:40 PM
cueceleches wrote:
- The alternative should be the original IL2

He11 no. Remember MG13? It spat a bullet every 15 seconds or so! Plus minus some exaggarations (sp?). No K4. No G10, no G14. No Finland map, no dynamic campaign, and the G6 and G6 late were friggin TRUCKS with big guns. Now the G6 and G6/late are excellent, every 109 is excellent, they stand a change (if used in vertical) against the russkies. And the Brewster is nice little flying barrel with good guns.
Yes FB has problems but overall it's 2x the game IL-2 was, even if the differences seem small at a glance.


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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 06:43 PM
Ya did see the wink right. I'm joking. I reread the Littman email to the free host guys, what a laugh.

The FH guys did try to hold out an olive branch though.

So is freehost still based of WB 2.xx? I see they seem to have new models.

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Message Edited on 07/15/0301:44PM by roybaty

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 08:02 PM
BpGemini wrote:
- I think too many people put too much faith in what
- others say.
-
- FB is a great game,<table
- style="filter:glow(color=green,strength=4)">In My
- Opinion.</table style>
- Go try it for yourself.
- Decide for yourself.
-
- How long do you think this many people will be
- playing FB online?
- You're wasting your experience IMHO.


I'm sure you like it as it is right now Gem/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif P-39 is one of the most ridiculously overmodeled planes (together with all early war VVS planes). P-39 is one of the best turners instead of being one of the worst. At full load it turned 360 degrees in 22 sec (sustained), in game it does it in 16-17 sec.

There are so many inaccuracies in FM and DM that really makes any discussion about them pointless. Each time I run the game I discover a new glitch. For example the distance between two yak1 engaged in turnfight and turning at a sustained speed and separated by 180 degrees should be over 650m, in game it is less than 400m, and both get oportunities at some point to spray the enemy with bullets from the front, which is totally inaccurate.

And so on and so on. I got the game too late to report any errors and I still have hopes that the patch will solve this very important issues regarding turnfighting.

As for alternatives there are none.

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 08:06 PM
lots of planes new !

check it here

http://planeta.terra.com.br/servicos/nicae/


- lots addons corrections at FlightModel/Planes by an
international group
- complete new gunnery

- you can man jeepacks and drive them
- cruiser may fire on airfields if near
- at 1944 you can launch a limited number V1 rockets
- you can drop commandos for shelling enemy airfield

at moment La7 deactivated for debugging
at moment me210 Cockpit nit ready

- still a lot planes and other featers under developement

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 08:14 PM
Huck,

Remember the argument we had over how the P-39 turned? I said it wasn't accurate, but it turned like a Yak in FB. You didn't have the game, and wouldn't believe me.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 08:23 PM
Huckebein_FW wrote:
- I'm sure you like it as it is right now Gem /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
- P-39 is one of the
- most ridiculously overmodeled planes (together with
- all early war VVS planes). P-39 is one of the best
- turners instead of being one of the worst. At full
- load it turned 360 degrees in 22 sec (sustained), in
- game it does it in 16-17 sec.



Actually I flew the P-39 in IL-2 exclusively as well. It was considered one of the hardest planes to master in IL-2. I like a good challenge and that's why I liked her and chose her as my main chariot. So, it becoming over-modeled isn't exactly something I would embrace. Understand? As for the 22 seconds, I understand, but no virtual pilot in this simulation will take as long as the real pilots took to turn. We don't have the forces against our bodies and the fear in our minds.



Huckebein_FW wrote:
- There are so many inaccuracies in FM and DM that
- really makes any discussion about them pointless.
- Each time I run the game I discover a new glitch.
- For example the distance between two yak1 engaged in
- turnfight and turning at a sustained speed and
- separated by 180 degrees should be over 650m, in
- game it is less than 400m, and both get oportunities
- at some point to spray the enemy with bullets from
- the front, which is totally inaccurate.
-
- And so on and so on. I got the game too late to
- report any errors and I still have hopes that the
- patch will solve this very important issues
- regarding turnfighting.
-
- As for alternatives there are none.



The alternative is to play. You said so yourself, "I got this game too late to report.". This, IMO, is the best flight simulation (PC game) available regardless of what anyone agrees or disagrees with. I look at it like this; they can either play and explore their opinions or can sit and whine on the sidelines and lose out on this time to play. I'm sure even the biggest whiner could agree that the game has many good points. Most of the crap I hear about is nit picky whines about little things that could be shared in a respectable manner for the developers to look into. Nothing worth boycotting over. Hell if you're going to boycott FB then you should go lynch Microsoft.





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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 08:28 PM
Gem,

Tried the patch yet? I think you'll like the P-39. I was staying with a Yak3 in the climb. It stalls a little easier, but still not bad. Bleeds a little more E in turns, but still pretty good. No actual testing, just gut feelings.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 08:39 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Gem,
-
- Tried the patch yet? I think you'll like the P-39.
- I was staying with a Yak3 in the climb. It stalls a
- little easier, but still not bad. Bleeds a little
- more E in turns, but still pretty good. No actual
- testing, just gut feelings.



I've heard a few things here and there. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
I just hope it doesn't get any easier to fly.
Flying the P-39 used to be kind of an exclusive club.
If it climbs easier it'll be able to regain the quicker E bleed from turns and E lose from stalls.
I can control (intentionally initiate) most of my stalls in the current model.
If the new model changes the stall I may have to relearn a few tricks.
All in all it should be fun to test.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 08:46 PM
It could be the yak doesn't climb as good as it did. Itwill need some testing to tell. All the planes stall easier now. Especially the Fw190. It's easier to get into a flat spin now too. Even the AI flat spin when you shoot them now. So far in headons, the AI hasn't fired a shot yet.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 08:46 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Gem,
-
- Tried the patch yet? I think you'll like the P-39.
- I was staying with a Yak3 in the climb. It stalls a
- little easier, but still not bad. Bleeds a little
- more E in turns, but still pretty good. No actual
- testing, just gut feelings.


Try an Bf109E or F against P-39. If you can outturn it easily then even if that does not prove a correct FM, at least the turn rate is more realistic. And I'm extremely interested if turn radiuses have become significantly bigger.

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 08:48 PM
The F4 is a beauty in the patch. It flys like a Yak3. The 20mm still has no punch though../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 08:51 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Gem,
-
- Tried the patch yet? I think you'll like the P-39.
- I was staying with a Yak3 in the climb. It stalls a
- little easier, but still not bad. Bleeds a little
- more E in turns, but still pretty good. No actual
- testing, just gut feelings.


Oh man, that's awful/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Stay with Yak3 in a climb?? P-39 at half fuel barely reach 3200fpm in climb. Yak3 does 4300fpm at full load (sea level).

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 08:55 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- The F4 is a beauty in the patch. It flys like a
- Yak3.

It should fly like a Yak3, F4 has better power and wing loading than Yak3. However F4 generates more drag, but this affects only the maximum speed (Yak3 is faster at low altitude, F4 has a better supercharger and it's faster at altitude).


Message Edited on 07/15/0302:58PM by Huckebein_FW

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07-15-2003, 11:55 PM
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07-16-2003, 02:34 AM
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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 04:46 AM
FB is by far the best commercial flight sim available for under $100 HANDS DOWN...at $39 it's a steal even as is. Those folks who say it is unplayable are either A) Lousy Pilots B) chronic complainers who will never be satisfied with anything C) totally clueless as to what a good flight sim is
D)folks with sucky rigs E)Spammers who know good & darn well how good the sim is and just want to stir up controversey and add bumpage or F)all of the above.

A sim with problems sure it is...unflyable? Not by a long shot.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 04:54 AM
I do agree with them bearcat, you can play MOH on a p2 400 but do you want to, FB seems to have many problems with pausing, low fps, online play is pretty bad concerning warp especially for those who just play online like me. And im on a pretty descent machine p4 3.06 800fsp 1 gig of ddr @ 400. My ati radeon recently died and im forced to use my old geforce4 4200 which is pretty bad I use to get 60-85fps with the ge4 i get 20-40. The game engine need severe tweaking


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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 03:20 PM
Hi guys!

In my opinion, both the original IL-2 and IL-2 FB are great. FB has the edge, but you'd expect that; there'd be something wrong if it wasn't an improvement. Sure, it has some issues that need to be addressed and I'm confident that most of them will be.

As for general playabilty (based on computer resources), FB runs OK on my rig. I've got a crusty old P3 866 with 512 MB of the 'old-fashioned' RAM and a 32 MB graphics card.

Sure, I can't run the graphics at max. Most settings have to be around 2/3 but at this level I get acceptable image quality, fairly good detail and smooth running. Not bad for my old banger of a P3.

So you guys out there with 2-4 times my processor, 2-4 times my RAM (and a faster type of RAM at that), combined with a good graphics card, should have NO problems!

And as for FB, I know a few things are sus' and it aint perfect but some (not all) of you guys are just plain whingers. 'KWITCHERBI*CHIN' was a name painted on the side of a Sherman tank I once saw a photo of. Patience, lads - patience.

Best regards to all,
panther3485

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 06:33 PM
"Unplayable" means the thing either won't load out of the box or freezes/crashes to the desktop every 30 minutes. Anything less is playable, and FB is extremely playable for almost anyone with the right equipment. The fact that some paople don't like the campaign generator, or that their favorite plane seems undermodeled to them, and that some planes do have major glitches like the exploding P-40, has nothing do do with playability. It's a great game, anyway.