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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:30 PM
Waiting for the FB patch was frustrating, until I got a new sim to keep my attention. Sure, FB is still "all that" and what-not, but returning to this forum after a break, I see there's nothing new here but the names of the users...

Cartrix? Yah, puleeeze... He's long ago left the building.

I _was_ really excited about the FB patch back in May. Now I'm just happy a new sim came out, and looking forward to other new sims more....

FB patch? Sure, whatever and whenever. When the pilots are ready, the patch will arrive, or something like that.





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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:30 PM
Waiting for the FB patch was frustrating, until I got a new sim to keep my attention. Sure, FB is still "all that" and what-not, but returning to this forum after a break, I see there's nothing new here but the names of the users...

Cartrix? Yah, puleeeze... He's long ago left the building.

I _was_ really excited about the FB patch back in May. Now I'm just happy a new sim came out, and looking forward to other new sims more....

FB patch? Sure, whatever and whenever. When the pilots are ready, the patch will arrive, or something like that.





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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:33 PM
Stop making want to spend the few dollars I have on FS2004
My FS2002 install has so many broken airplane installs and glitches from GB's of downloads, I need a fresh start.

I would have to stop drinking beer for at least 5 days, then the money I saved would buy a copy.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:35 PM
Sell your FS2002 back to EB, along with that cartload of other games you bought but don't play anymore.

Also, before you sell your 2002 back to EB, take the bar code off it. There's a 15 dollar rebate for 2004 if you have 2002 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:42 PM
fs 2004? thats just flying planes?!?!?!?! no combat??? HAHAHHAHAHA must b boring HAHAHHA

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:45 PM
Hey Dexmeister,

What does make you excited in FS2004?

I would like to know the feelings you get from a non-combat simulation. Really.

Zayets
08-07-2003, 02:48 PM
You still didn't learn the lesson about M$? FS2004 come with little , if any , imporvements over FS2002 , well , you get new planes , so is an add-on. If you want planes with a FM , go here http://www.x-plane.org
Landscape is not that colourfull in the original version , but there are tons of FREE mods. plus , you can fly on Mars , plus , plane editor is easy to use , plus the world editor is a beauty.Just give it a try. you'll pay 9 euro more for the FULL option game (including Mars scenery).Here FS2004 is sold for 80 euro. Without Mars I think the price is 60 euro , the price of FS2002.


Zayets out

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:48 PM
FS2004? i thought you were here to speak about flight sims?

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:52 PM
FS is way more complicated than FB will ever be. What makes me excited? Flying a long IFR flight or just using VORs to make it from one city to another, then having bad weather greet me as I get directed in to land, and still managing to touch down....

Free downloads of thousands of planes.

Dealing with the ATC, holding proper headings and alts, or just throwing it on autopilot while I have a coffee and admire the scenery.

The fact that weather changes during flight, rather than clouds always being in the same place on a map like in FB.

Seeing those awesome runway lights as I get ready to touch down after a 2 hour flight.

At the moment, I'm doing a tour of N/S/C America that's gone:
-Toronto to New York
-New York to Atlanta
-Atlanta to Jacksonville Florida
-Jacksonville to Miami
-Miami to Nassau Bahamas
-Bahamas to St. Maartin
-St. Maartin to Trinidad
-Through various parts of Brazil including Rio De Janeiro
-Across Argentina and over the Andes mountains into Chile

I also learned along my last flight that in South America it's winter in NA's summer...

Sure, there's no guns but it's got me hooked, 110%.

Some pics if you're interested:
http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/dcforum/DCForumID8/28665.html

http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/dcforum/DCForumID8/28834.html



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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:53 PM
Zayets wrote: you can fly on Mars
Just a question- why would you want to fly on Mars? You cant really tell if the FM is realistic if no one has ever even come close to visiting mars. I'm sure its quite a fun experience, but wouldnt you prefer a flight sim set firmly on earth?

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:59 PM
I'm with you Dex, although I haven't spent the $$$ on FS2004 yet my 2002 is still VERY active.

It's much like trying to explain to someone that doesn't play WWII airplane sims why we like FB so much - when someone asks 'Why would you like flying a plane and not blowing something up?? That must be boring' I have to say 'If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand'.

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:01 PM
you better fly Xplane than that crap

...

ah yes, of course, it is not "new", that probably mean it is not good enough?

novelty isn't everything...

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:05 PM
For those that won't buy FS2004 because of "no-guns" really should try it.

Its a completely different experience for a completely different type of flying.

It has a much bigger learning curve that IL2/FB. Any kid can get a FS2004 plane off the ground, but you could spend years mastering navigation & flying procedures.

& so presents a good challenge to all aviation enthusiasts.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:08 PM
I like X-Plane and find the visuals and all elements of it fantastic with respect to flight dynamics, but dollar for dollar I still prefer 2004. More of a community behind it, nicer visuals for my enjoyment, and just more my style. Not knocking X-Plane at all, don't get me wrong.

Really, to me, most sims have something good or unique to offer. Being captivated by them is why I buy them, and the best ones outlast the rest.

What I really wonder is whether or not FB will survive another year amongst other sims out/coming out. Seriously.



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Zayets
08-07-2003, 03:10 PM
EDtheHead6445 wrote:
- Zayets wrote: you can fly on Mars
- Just a question- why would you want to fly on Mars?
- You cant really tell if the FM is realistic if no
- one has ever even come close to visiting mars. I'm
- sure its quite a fun experience, but wouldnt you
- prefer a flight sim set firmly on earth?

Nope , I've never fly on Mars , ctually nobody did. But you'll notice the difference between planes behaviour on Earth and Mars. But there's one thing more , you can fly on Earth orbit , one thing you can't do in FS2xxx. And people were there.Believe it or not , but even with xplane I fly 90% of my flights on Earth. Don't get me wrong , FS2004 is far advanced in many areas than xplane (which is normal judging the army of programmers at m$) , is just that is not what I've expected over fS2002 , is just an add-on with a bit of graphic polishing.Also , one thing is for sure , in xplane I can build a flying shoe and try to make it fly. difference is that in M$ that shoe will fly no matter you do by modifying some numbers. in xplane you have to sweat your back to do this. Not to mention that the tool provided by xplane is way more friendly tham M$ one. But again , this is a question of taste , ain't it? go get the one you want , no offence meant.


Zayets out

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:12 PM
eonel wrote:
- Any kid can get a FS2004 plane off the ground, but
- you could spend years mastering navigation & flying
- procedures.
-
- & so presents a good challenge to all aviation
- enthusiasts.
-
-


No kidding, eh? FB has a demanding learning curve, especially if you aim to master a large number of planes.

FS on the other hand, I've flown for 10+years and am still learning new things. A little over a year ago I got interested in actual navigation methods. I'm getting better at VORs now and am stepping up to IFR lately... I've still not made a proper ILS approach, which will be down the road.

That's not even getting into fuel management and piles of other stuff.

Some will find the FS series boring. One of my friends is a die-hard first-person shooter fan and I know he'd be bored in 10 minutes. Me on the other hand have seen FS (and FB) expand my interest in aviation exponentially... Reading FAA Instrument Flying study guides while I fly FS is a perfect example of that.




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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:13 PM
Dex - if you get a chance, please post up some screenshots of the Comet racer. I saw an original Comet fly at Old Warden a few years back and have always thought it's arguably the most beautiful a/c ever built (mind you, it does look better in red than green). I think I might buy FS2004 just for that one a/c.

Regards,

RocketDog.

PS - does it have a mouseview and/or TIR mode, or are the view directions fixed to the hat switch as per CFS 2?

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:21 PM
RocketDog, look here for some Comet pics:

http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/dcforum/DCForumID8/28368.html

the Comet cockpit:

http://www.pbase.com/image/19843887/original.jpg



And for those that think FB cockpits are good, try flying in these. Everything at your fingertips and LOTS to play with /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I bet cockpits like this strike fear into our beloved Oleg /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://www.1stclassproperties.ca/mr/fs2004/cockpit1.jpg



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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:22 PM
Some say the FM in FS2004 is a joke. And to an extent I agree. Was doing stuff in a Pitts Special the other night that only a UFO could do. And the DM is all but non-existant.

But this does not spoil the game for me because it is about so much more than FM & DM.

It also does weird things to your life. Am flying this evening JFK-EGLL in real life. & rather than watch the in-flight movie will be watching the flightmap, noting speeds, altitudes & position. And I am a normal human being. Honest.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:25 PM
eonel wrote:

- It also does weird things to your life. Am flying
- this evening JFK-EGLL in real life. & rather than
- watch the in-flight movie will be watching the
- flightmap, noting speeds, altitudes & position. And
- I am a normal human being. Honest.


I'm with you dude /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif My girlfriend now asks me "where are you now" because she knows I'm dedicating my evenings lately to flying everywhere. Last night while I was on the phone with her, playing the ATC sounds into the phone, she asked "did you get clearance"? I told her I won't request it until I'm off the phone /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

eonel, where's/what's EGLL? I'm guessing England. I plan to hit Europe once I return to North America.




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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:25 PM
Dexmeister wrote:
- RocketDog, look here for some Comet pics:


Great! Thanks for the link, Dex.

Regards,

RocketDog.


*goes to shop to buy FS2004 on way home*

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:34 PM
HA ha. I always thought it might be kind of cool to hop on a comercial flight and then fly the same flight simultaneously in MSFS on a souped up laptop. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif It would probably freak out the passengers around you though /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Only problem is that you would have to shut the computer for take off and landing.



Message Edited on 08/07/03 10:35AM by Avwriter

Message Edited on 08/07/0310:35AM by Avwriter

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:40 PM
Somebody said:

"fs 2004? thats just flying planes?!?!?!?! no combat??? HAHAHHAHAHA must b boring HAHAHHA"


I thought that as well until I discovered the excitement of landing 747s at night in pea-soup fog.

Also, the FS series can actually be very useful in practicing instrument approaches--for real flying.

And as far as the FM being "a joke", try flying a real airplane. You will quickly discover how vastly different it is from playing video games. But if this comparison must be made, I would say that (at least with the planes I've flown in real life) MS does a decent job.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:41 PM
Avwriter, I used to do that all the time! I'd leave my PC in hibernate mode all set at the airport I was departing from, then after departure I'd fire it up and fly to Chicago, Dallas, San Antonio or whatever airport my flight was heading.

The benefits of working in I.T. where your employer provides top hardware for you as well as paid airfare /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Simmers are such geeks, eh?

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:49 PM
Avwriter wrote:
- HA ha. I always thought it might be kind of cool to
- hop on a comercial flight and then fly the same
- flight simultaneously in MSFS on a souped up laptop.
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif It would probably
- freak out the passengers around you though /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Only problem is that
- you would have to shut the computer for take off and
- landing.
-
-

No, never had that thought /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But unlike Dex I do not have the hardware to carry it out.

EGLL is London Heathrow. ( i think. Am lost without my FS2004 reference )

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:54 PM
Oh, & my wife also no longer asks me what I am doing on the computer.

Now she just asks where I am in the world & how long before I land.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:54 PM
There are actually many that are finding out the true deficiencies of FS2004 - these guys know flight dynamics too. If you want to read about what M$ has done to the flight dynamic equations check out this thread:

http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=122&topic_id=12256

from a FS development forum. It appears that M$ removed several key elements from the flight dynamics equations that were present in fs2002 but are no longer being considered by the sim.

I'm not buying until I hear more about this! Pretty interesting read though if nothing else.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:00 PM
Interesting progrmr. I ran across similar discussions at Netwings. MS has a way of doing these things, but 3rd parties eventually comply and release new great stuff.

The bottom line for me is that the planes feel real enough to me. I completed multiple crosswind landings in a 737-400 and believe me, it was a challenge and I've missed quite a few. More of a challenge than landing an HE111 in FB.





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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:01 PM
Zayets wrote:Nope , I've never fly on Mars , ctually nobody did.
- But you'll notice the difference between planes
- behaviour on Earth and Mars. But there's one thing
- more , you can fly on Earth orbit , one thing you
- can't do in FS2xxx. And people were there.Believe
- it or not , but even with xplane I fly 90% of my
- flights on Earth. Don't get me wrong , FS2004 is far
- advanced in many areas than xplane (which is normal
- judging the army of programmers at m$) , is just
- that is not what I've expected over fS2002 , is just
- an add-on with a bit of graphic polishing.Also , one
- thing is for sure , in xplane I can build a flying
- shoe and try to make it fly. difference is that in
- M$ that shoe will fly no matter you do by modifying
- some numbers. in xplane you have to sweat your back
- to do this. Not to mention that the tool provided by
- xplane is way more friendly tham M$ one. But again ,
- this is a question of taste , ain't it? go get the
- one you want , no offence meant.
-
-
- Zayets out

No offence taken. It doesn't matter to me. I'm happy with IL2FB and can wait for the patch. I'm not planning to get FS2004 or X-plane. But I am planning to get Lock on Modern Air Combat (when it comes out)- should be quite a different feeling from flying a P11!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I believe you about the FM and everything, but I'm just waiting for LOMAC and the patch for IL2FB to be released. Thanks for the reply Zayets! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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To avoid the frustration of misfortune,
That, in this world, is happiness.
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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:05 PM
This has probably already been said:

I`ve considered trying such sims, but without a war it seems really unappealing (sounds pretty bad when I think about it!)

I can fly for an hour from one waypoint to another with nothing happening if there`s the prospect of a battle and shells in my cannon, but couldn`t do the same without them!

Go figure /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif




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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:13 PM
it is pretty boring but looks nice and theres millions of addons, scenery, cars, planes, motorcycles, boats etc www.simviation.com (http://www.simviation.com)

If fs2004 had guns it would ruin it since you can edit all your performance settings easily and how the plane handles,




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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:19 PM
Seafire

Flying for an hour point-to-point when using VOR/DME navigation is a real challenge. And (subjectively) not a boring moment.

And for those boring moments, mid-atlantic with autopilot on, there is always time compression.

Its need not be like IL2/FB where you point the nose in the right direction, trim & just go.

Like Dex says, it may not suit everyone. But I think those who are into the challenge of flying FB more realistically will also enjoy the navigation challenge.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:22 PM
I simply don't understand how Microsoft can put out a quality product like FS2004 (which I can't get here because apparently no-one ships software overseas) and yet still produce the absolute GARBAGE, the WORST flight sim ever, CFS 3!


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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:27 PM
I agree Aardvark892, CFS 3 really put me off, being my first ever MS sim.

Maybe one day I`ll try something like FS2004, but I`d be really interested if there were unexpected events too, like passenger trouble and man-made emergencys and failures to be dealt with.

I`d need the human factor for immersion. Then I might try it.





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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:32 PM
but it's possible to have equipment failure in FS.. you can programm them in advance, or just set a percentage chance it will fail during your flight... well, i don't have las versions of FS, but in those i have, it work that way...

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:38 PM
I have a question. Can you save a flight so you don't have to sit down all day.

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:39 PM
I've installed/uninstalled FS2004 three times so far. I'm trying to like it, but I don't.

Even with a top of the line system. I get dragged down to 16fps in spots. With the normal being low 20's.

Anybody who wants this game. Just tell me, and i'll give it to you. Otherwise it will collect dust in the closet. Right next to CFS1-2-3. MS blows chunks!

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:40 PM
CFS3 is a mystery. How one product can be so bad & another not.

You can program (pseudo)random failures into FS2004. But would be great if it did support truely random failure & other incidents in-line with frequency in the real world.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:41 PM
Wow, u sound really hurt Dexmeister. I'm glad to know the patch is just around the corner. FS2004 is fun but can't give me enough kicks, although my roommate can find himself having a blast taking off in a Boeing from his hometown. I just think that when fighter sim pilots are spending their leisure time in 747's there's a huge problem. (or a patch soon to be released).

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:42 PM
There are also addons that allow a create random failures based on hypothetical maintenance cycles.

Im looking forward to getting FS2004, i've been a big fan since FS2002. And as for why we play it?, well some peaple enjoy the challenge of downing a 109 or whatever, others enjoy the challenge of flying a plane using proper navigation techniques etc.. and being able to fly ANYWHERE in the world.

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 05:04 PM
Buzz... if you don't want your copy of FS2004 I would be happy to take it off your hands. Ever since my eyes went bad in college and the military has said no to me flying I have had the urge to learn how to fly.

I am wondering how the online flight works in FS2004??? Any of you owners test it out??

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 05:06 PM
PM me your address.

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 05:13 PM
Skiri-ki wrote:
- I am wondering how the online flight works in
- FS2004??? Any of you owners test it out??


Yes, I met a FB squaddie and we went for an evening flight over Toronto where I showed him the sights. Pretty cool with TeamSpeak.

EvilBen, yes, you can save flights, speed them up, even look at the map and drag your plane across, if for example you're finding the Amazon rainforest a little boring, not that I'd _ever_ do that /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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michapma
08-07-2003, 05:13 PM
Dex is right, the FS series is good for anyone interested in actual general aviation. Not so much for learning how a plane actually handles, although some of the FM is alright, but especially the logistics of a flight. And often the graphics are enjoyable.

With my limited flight time, everything goes to FB. I pick up FS now and again when I get the urge to want to train for getting an actual PPL. Or when I talk to my FS-nut brother on the phone. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-wink.gif

Mike

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 05:15 PM
I'm with you too, although for slightly different reasons: thank God for FS2K4, because now it's out there's some good stuff for FS2K2 becoming available for free. Bill Lyons already made all his payware packages available as freeware. (Which resulted in his site getting crashed for two days, of course, but it's back up again and I was up way past my bedtime downloading them all. That Waco, oh my God.) Anyway, I was reasonably happy with Il-2 and then I bought FB, and I don't care to risk getting burned like that twice in one year. So I'm sticking with FS2K2; but I do use it much, much more than I do FB, and I don't care who knows it.

I knew when you posted this that there would be people asking where's the fun in a non-combat sim. I get that all the time from combat-sim addicts. Many people of course are too immature and shallow to appreciate the subtle pleasures; they have to have the childish rush of pretending to kill people and blow things up. But a lot of others simply don't get it because they haven't tried it. I know I didn't, for a long time there; I'd hear somebody talk about FS2000 or 2002 and I'd think, "But what is there to DO? Just fly around?" Then I tried it and that was that. Today, if I had to choose a single flight sim and dump all the others, it would be FS2K2 - or maybe 4, I haven't tried it yet, but it certainly wouldn't be FB.

Boring? Anybody who thinks non-combat flying is boring hasn't tried bush flying in rough country with settings on full-real. Or even just landing a 747 in a thunderstorm with crosswinds and turbulence. I tell you, I thought I was a pretty hot pilot after all that time in Il-2, but I found out I didn't know squat.

And as for the really hairy stuff that you can get up to with, say, a Pitts Bulldog or a Super Decathlon...no, it's not boring. It takes more flying skills than FB, at least with top-quality models - though admittedly the stock airplanes are shyte and should be ignored, or modified with the RealAir files.

That's the thing about FS: you have to regard it as a basic set of raw materials, which you can customize to suit yourself. Straight out of the box, it's pretty bland, and not as "realistic" as they like to claim. (The terrain is still better than that in FB, but that's not saying much, is it?) But you get some of the good planes made by people like Bill Lyons or Mikko Maliniemi or Yannicke Levigne or Milton Shupe, and you'll wonder why you were ever impressed by the Maddox creations. And the available scenery is fantastic, especially with things like Gerrish Grey's trees which make the idiotic "forests" in FB look like mold growing on potato bread.

And that for me is half the fun. Maybe more than half. Just getting new stuff and adding it in, getting new planes and test-flying them - throwing away 95% of them, but the testing process is fun too - it's the same sort of kick I used to get out of my old model railroad layout, and this stuff doesn't have to be dusted.

For me FB is the one that's boring - you can't DO anything with it, except fly around (in a pretty unrealistic way) and occasionally kill people and blow things up. Fun for short stretches, but a little of that goes a long way, especially given the limited choices in terrain and aircraft. That's been the big kick with this leaked beta: a break in the monotony.

But now we get down to individual preferences. I know dedicated simmers who admit they really don't care that much about the flying part; they do air starts and they hit Escape when the fighting is over and rarely even bother to land (or try to) because for them this is basically a shooter game. Somebody like that wouldn't like FS at all.

And not everybody likes to tinker. I do; I love to customize - Suzuki would never recognize my old GS1000, and Dell would defecate a brick if they got a look at this computer. Other people, though, just prefer to use things as they come out of the box.

For somebody like that, well, I don't know. FS2K2 would be pretty unsatisfying, I think, on that basis. FS2K4 may be better, but I'm skeptical. For those who prefer to use things stock, FB probably is still the best choice.

In any case, Dexmeister, it took a lot of ballocks to post something like this, and I salute you for it.





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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 05:19 PM
Adds a bit of excitment to an IFR flight /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Hoarmurath wrote:
- but it's possible to have equipment failure in FS..
- you can programm them in advance, or just set a
- percentage chance it will fail during your flight...
- well, i don't have las versions of FS, but in those
- i have, it work that way...
-
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08-07-2003, 05:21 PM
Blind Joe,

I know all your names except the one that really counts. How about putting all of them down?


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08-07-2003, 05:43 PM
BJD,

You just generalized over all the things I enjoy about FB. I'm pretty sure you don't get what I like about it and I won't bother you with an explanation but you're right about one thing: it comes down to personal preference.

It's fine for you to give some critical flavor to the forum and I appreciate your efforts to communicate well and be honest at it, but to me it is clear that you haven't experienced all there is to experience in FB. And you may not be able to after all—it's a personal thing in many ways.

Regards,
Mike

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<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"><tr valign="middle" bgcolor="#3e463b"><td height="40" colspan="3" align="center">The ongoing IL-2 User's Guide project (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/)</a></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#515e2f"><td width="40%">FB engine management:
Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
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Building a home-made throttle quadrant step by step (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zkavv)
Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 05:49 PM
More screenshots, please. We are all in need of a diversion at the moment, and this is great! Thanks!
Tsisqua

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 05:51 PM
If you didn't catch the links I put earlier in this thread:

http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/dcforum/DCForumID8/28665.html

http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/dcforum/DCForumID8/28834.html


Or just go to a great FS screenie forum:

http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID8&conf=DCConfID1

Message Edited on 08/07/0309:52AM by Dexmeister

adlabs6
08-07-2003, 06:26 PM
I'm buying FS2004 for the navigation aspects. I used to fly MSFS back in 1994-98 (in MS-DOS!) and taught myself how to navigate with VOR's well enought that I could get anywhere, so long as I had the VOR data to set. I learned it all using only the FS manual.

Since it's been a while, I'll likely have to relearn the VOR's and then move to IFR, with the web and access to stuff I didn't have before, it should be great.

Plus, I'm a sucker for doing everything the long drawn out way when it comes to flight sims. If I can click on all the switches and set stuff manually, before I even takeoff, then I'm that much happier.

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 06:43 PM
I'm surprised more guys didn't ask for my 2004 game. Anyway, Skiri-ki got it.

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 06:56 PM
Dexmeister, I have it the same way. Im not waiting that sleepless on the patch though. I've learned for experience the only thing you get is dissapointment.

I have ALWAYS been a combat sim freak and have only played FS2000 and 2002 for about 1 hour. Everytime endning with me crashing into some house because of lack of action.

But this time it is different. I really want to learn to FLY an aircraft. So I started in the included flighschool. And boy was I grounded fast with the note from the instrutor - "Pleases study your homework before trying this again...tsk...tsk..".

Now I have to make controlled climbs, descents and turns with out upsetting the instructer. A lot of fun IMHO. I've just recieved my Student Pilot certificate nad next step is Private Pilot, which includes VOR navigation and the traffic pattern.


I know this is a IL-2 forum and I love IL-2 but I don't have tunnelsight....


So always remember: Attitude, Power and Trim.... ;-)


Cheers

Mark

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 06:58 PM
Hmmm, maybe I'll try that flight school, once I return from flying around the world /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Seriously though it sounds cool. I used Ralphs PDF from 2002 for quite a while but school might be cool.



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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 07:07 PM
Dexmeister wrote:
- FS is way more complicated than FB will ever be.
- What makes me excited? Flying a long IFR flight or
- just using VORs to make it from one city to another,
- then having bad weather greet me as I get directed
- in to land, and still managing to touch down....


That sounds good...the changing weather....I would love to see spomething like that in FB...you know...having the weather change while in flight... Does the time move like in FB? For instance does the sun set & rise etc?b

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 07:13 PM
IMHO, games are designed to be able to make the player do things they'd never be able to do in real life. Seeing as its not that hard to fly a Cessna and seeing how FS missed the nail completely, I advice you to make a Cessna tour, or better yet, learn how to fly one instead of wasting your money buying a sim (badly) simulating Cessna flight. I like FB because it lets me do something that I'll never be able to do in real life, fly a WWII airplane in combat.

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 07:55 PM
I am surprised as well Buzz... but I thank you again very much...

BuuzU for California Governor!!!!

Go BuzzU!!!

I feel as if I have won the lottery.

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:08 PM
Hm Red Strom. I agree and I know for sure that I never will get a pilot licence and therby enjoying FS2004. It is true that the stock 172 is a bit non-realistic but when I guy like Dennis Mitchell mods it to make it as close as his own 172. Then it is fine with me, because he know what he wants and how a real 172 handles.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:10 PM
Zayets wrote:
- You still didn't learn the lesson about M$? FS2004
- come with little , if any , imporvements over FS2002
- , well , you get new planes , so is an add-on. If
- you want planes with a FM , go here http://www.x-plane.org
- Landscape is not that colourfull in the original
- version , but there are tons of FREE mods. plus ,
- you can fly on Mars , plus , plane editor is easy to
- use , plus the world editor is a beauty.Just give it
- a try. you'll pay 9 euro more for the FULL option
- game (including Mars scenery).Here FS2004 is sold
- for 80 euro. Without Mars I think the price is 60
- euro , the price of FS2002.
-
-
- Zayets out


You have NO IDEA what you are talking about.


Improved weather generation system.

More aircraft.

Improved Flight Models (Turbulance, etc..)

Clickable Virtual Cockpits.

Better ATC.

3D CLouds that actually move and form.

Improved Airports.

More Autogen.

Improved Autogen (texture wise, model wise)

etc..

etc..



Next time, know more before you comment on things you obviously know nothing about.





JG27_Arklight
"Taking out the garbage since release"

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:11 PM
Hey Arklight, whats a tandem seat aircraft?



Be seeing you.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:16 PM
eonel wrote:
-
- Some say the FM in FS2004 is a joke. And to an
- extent I agree. Was doing stuff in a Pitts Special
- the other night that only a UFO could do. And the
- DM is all but non-existant.
-
- But this does not spoil the game for me because it
- is about so much more than FM & DM.
-
- It also does weird things to your life. Am flying
- this evening JFK-EGLL in real life. & rather than
- watch the in-flight movie will be watching the
- flightmap, noting speeds, altitudes & position. And
- I am a normal human being. Honest.
-
-
-
-
-



Remember, MANY add-ons out there and I bet that Pitts you are speaking of as well, need thier FMs updated to work fully with FS2K4.

Flying an NON-updated FS2002 in FS2K4 that isn't fully compatible can produce wierd FM anomolies. The palne may work and load up great but that doesn't mean it is completely compatible /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:17 PM
Earwicker wrote:
- Hey Arklight, whats a tandem seat aircraft?
-
-
-
-
- Be seeing you.


2 occupants, 1 in front, 1 in back.

JG27_Arklight
"Taking out the garbage since release"

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 09:31 PM
Hmm , thats strange about what was said about the FM being dumbed down because everything else I heard said it was improved, at this site for this excellent add-on aircraft they say the improvements make the weight of the aircraft seem MORE believable?

http://www.b314clipper.com/

"We have found, that FS2004 gives the B314 a much more realistic flight model. It marks the "heavyness" of the AC much better, which was in fact the matter in reality. Weather, temperature and load were the most important points for getting airborne. It even cruised at just 500ft until enough fuel was eaten to climb. So for long haul flights you will need to make very carefull flight planning including fuel and payload (which is much better to handle in FS2004 than in FS2002). You will need to unload the aircraft if you want her to climb as in FS2002."

Is it the programming thats less complex to model the FM maybee.

Im so confused now, must buy beer.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 10:01 PM
FS2002 can be a bit dull at times, but sometimes you get back into it for a few days and you realize what a massive, incredible program it is.

Like the other fellow said, landing a 747 in a crosswind, at night, in the rain, is as hard as chasing a P-51 in a Heinkel. There are murderously hard challenges in FS2002 (or 2004 I guess) that would humble most IL2 flyers.

And the graphics in FS2002 are light years beyond IL2, at least as far as terrain and cities go. IL2 has fantastic clouds and lighting, but when you see some of the major airports (or new York, or LA, etc, etc) at 1600x1200x32 with dynamic scenery enabled, it is incredible. To be able to dogfight over that level of detail would be unbelievable.

FS2002 for flying - Il2 for fighting. The more toys the better!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 07:30 AM
Well said Beirut.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 07:34 AM
The problem with those pretty looking cites is you can't bomb them../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:01 PM
Sometimes I'd rather just fly than kill and die. FS2004 is the first non combat sim I've bught, and I'm having a lot of fun with it. I'm currently doing a cross-USA flight to familiarise myself with the sim, and there's so much to learn and do. Little things like realising that magnetic variation is properly represented keep suprising me. The navigation and weather are quite engrossing.

No doubt the blood lust will return soon enough, and then I'm back in my warbird!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:46 PM
Something to look at while you wait for the pre-beta post-alpha beta-beta 1.0b 1 kenobee /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


http://www.1stclassproperties.ca/mr/fs2004/sab1.jpg


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http://www.1stclassproperties.ca/mr/fs2004/sab4.jpg


http://www.1stclassproperties.ca/mr/fs2004/sab5.jpg


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 06:17 PM
Thanks for the info & screenies DEX, looks like fun. I'm gonna buy a copy tonight.

Is there any kinda online flying you could do with FS2004? It would be kinda of fun to fly to different virtual airports in a virtual world and have to deal with air-traffic!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:00 PM
Hi uber_newbie, take a look at this site:
http://www.vatsim.net/


Cheers

Cougar

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 08:55 PM
Let me say that BuzzU is a man of his word. I received FS2004 from him today in the mail. Thanks Buzz...

I love FB as it is now... and the patch will only make it better...but when i feel in the mood to fly cross country I can do it now...

Semper Fi,
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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 08:58 PM
Welcome.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 09:06 PM
I bought it yesterday. Beautiful to look at, but my frame rates are really poor when compared to FB. I know, apples and oranges. ATC, and changing weather are awesome, but what I am really excited about is reacreating Linburg's transatlantic flight over a period of about a week or so. I flew the Spitit of St. Louis a little while, and can't wait to learn more about it. This has to be the best general aviation learning tools that anyone could ever own. Oh, yeah, the Vickers Vimmy WWI bomber. It took me a half hour to climb to 2,000 feet. I can't believe what those pilots must have went through to get the altitude required to do the job. I would love to have a Gotha modelled that well.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 09:13 PM
www.fsplanet.com (http://www.fsplanet.com) < - - - huge repository of free planes - good stuff

www.simpits.org (http://www.simpits.org) < - - - check out the cockpits these guys are making.

www.simflight.com (http://www.simflight.com)
www.avsim.com (http://www.avsim.com)

also good links



Message Edited on 08/09/0303:14PM by Evis1

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 09:19 PM
Well the same can be said of IL 2 FB. Just more airplanes and sweeter graphics.

Zayets wrote:
- You still didn't learn the lesson about M$? FS2004
- come with little , if any , imporvements over FS2002
- , well , you get new planes , so is an add-on. If
- you want planes with a FM , go here http://www.x-plane.org
- Landscape is not that colourfull in the original
- version , but there are tons of FREE mods. plus ,
- you can fly on Mars , plus , plane editor is easy to
- use , plus the world editor is a beauty.Just give it
- a try. you'll pay 9 euro more for the FULL option
- game (including Mars scenery).Here FS2004 is sold
- for 80 euro. Without Mars I think the price is 60
- euro , the price of FS2002.
-

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 09:47 PM
So much debates.. I admit FS2004 is a good game(or sim).
I'm also enjoying it until the patch.

But two things are clear.

If Oleg want to make Civil Flight Simulator, it would be perfect, damn perfect.
If M$ want to make Combat Environment Simulator, it would be like CFS3. Never close to Oleg's.

Cloud of FS looks gay and various, but it's like factory-made.
It's 2003, why do we still need virtual cockpit to look around? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

cruelsword
08-09-2003, 10:19 PM
Hi guys,

could you tell me,plz, which one seting r u useing?
Because, all my A/C look very bad from outside, not like on those pictures./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I'v tried almost every thing, but still looks creepy./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

THX

Cruel

I know, it's of topic, but...

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 01:42 AM
Go to flightsim.com.

There are over 25,000(!) mods there for the MSFS series.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 02:48 AM
I was waiting impatiently for Fs2004 due to its added ATC features, like airfiling an IFR flight plan.

As a holder of a Canadian Commercial Multi-Engine Instrument Licence I use Fs2004 to practice my IFR flying with my real charts and real approach plates.

Nice to see that Fs2004 offers so much realism.



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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:29 AM
I've logged a few more hours in FS9. It can actually be fun if you're in the mood! According to M$ this is my house, I've always wanted to have my own C-plane!
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08-10-2003, 08:31 AM
Cool man
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Take off is only the beginnigg
Bail out is YOUR end.

Message Edited on 08/10/0301:32AM by Juego

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:39 AM
http://home.pacbell.net/titus3_5/Lv-1.jpg


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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:40 AM
The cloud look like 3d pictures
dont they?

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 01:08 PM
They are for real the clouds.

Here are some more pictures taken today:

<img src = "http://oernebjerg.homepage.dk/Pictures/FS2004/Image3.jpg">

<img src = "http://oernebjerg.homepage.dk/Pictures/FS2004/Image4.jpg">

<img src = "http://oernebjerg.homepage.dk/Pictures/FS2004/Image5.jpg">

<img src = "http://oernebjerg.homepage.dk/Pictures/FS2004/Image6.jpg">

<img src = "http://oernebjerg.homepage.dk/Pictures/FS2004/Image7.jpg">

<img src = "http://oernebjerg.homepage.dk/Pictures/FS2004/Image8.jpg">

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 01:17 PM
And just two more ;-)

<img src = "http://oernebjerg.homepage.dk/Pictures/FS2004/Image1.jpg">

<img src = "http://oernebjerg.homepage.dk/Pictures/FS2004/Image2.jpg">

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 05:20 PM
Beautiful shots, can you get airframe icing on FS2004?

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 05:35 PM
Modeled, yes. Visually, no.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 05:54 PM
Maybe it doesn't have clouds as good as FS2004, but it will be alot more fun to fly. I'll wait for this.

http://www.lo-mac.com/ss/carrier_3.jpg


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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 07:06 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Maybe it doesn't have clouds as good as FS2004, but
- it will be alot more fun to fly. I'll wait for this.
-


Should look pretty darn good on your system Buzz . . .


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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 07:10 PM
You got the point. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Morbid_Jester wrote:
- Modeled, yes. Visually, no.
-
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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:12 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Maybe it doesn't have clouds as good as FS2004, but
- it will be alot more fun to fly. I'll wait for this.

Oh, you waiting for your Flanker Jewel Case to arrive /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif





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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:19 PM
I know I expressed my view at the beginning of this thread and throughout, but I've got to reiterate how much I absolutely love 2004. It really does look fantastic. It took some tweaking but I have it running really nicely now.

My adventures have taken me through most of South America now and I'm working back to Central America slowly..... Learning ILSs is really cool, I've gotta say.

My bottom line is that I haven't enjoyed a game this much perhaps since I first flew IL2 online. Still perhaps not the right sim for everyone, but holy crap I'm a happy camper.

And whoever said Oleg would make a civilian sim perfectly, you're kidding, right? That's just giving zero respect to Microsoft for the AMAZING depth their FS series has. I'm sure Oleg could "whip up" a competitive offering in what, 10 years? Maybe.



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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:20 PM
Dexmeister wrote:
- I know I expressed my view at the beginning of this
- thread and throughout, but I've got to reiterate how
- much I absolutely love 2004. It really does look
- fantastic. It took some tweaking but I have it
- running really nicely now.
-
- My adventures have taken me through most of South
- America now and I'm working back to Central America
- slowly..... Learning ILSs is really cool, I've gotta
- say.
-
- My bottom line is that I haven't enjoyed a game this
- much perhaps since I first flew IL2 online. Still
- perhaps not the right sim for everyone, but holy
- crap I'm a happy camper.
-
- And whoever said Oleg would make a civilian sim
- perfectly, you're kidding, right? That's just giving
- zero respect to Microsoft for the AMAZING depth
- their FS series has. I'm sure Oleg could "whip up" a
- competitive offering in what, 10 years? Maybe.
-
-
-
-
that is if he wants to

I'm a crappy pilot, but one hell of a shot.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:26 PM
Sharpe26 wrote:
- that is if he wants to


Which is doubtful because then Oleg would have to face the reality that Russia didn't make many good jetliners.

[insert Andrew Dice Clay "Oh!"]

bu dum chish

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:33 PM
Is it the same game engine as CFS3?
That was one ugly game.

If not I will buy it.



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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:38 PM
Uberduper wrote:
- Is it the same game engine as CFS3?
- That was one ugly game.
-
- If not I will buy it.


No, it's based on the FS engine.



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08-10-2003, 08:40 PM
This is IL-2 General Discussion forum which means it's for general discussions about IL-2 related issues.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:55 PM
I have always been interested in getting a civilian flight simulator. I like the tecnical aspect of flying eg. engine start up, safety checks, navigation, flight planing and landing / emergency procedures. Some of these are sorely lacking in FB.

I have been playing Falcon 4.0 since it was released and Think it's the best sim ever released.

The thing is, I don't think I could play Falcon for long without the combat aspect. That's why I havn't bought a civilian flight sim before. It would have to be a real pretty sim to keep me interested.



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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:58 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- This is IL-2 General Discussion forum which means
- it's for general discussions about IL-2 related
- issues.


Come on Ven, this is about the same as discussing airplanes in general, which is common here... Besides, it's only to pass the time until we have the patch /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 09:02 PM
Besides the helicopters are fun to fly

How many sims do both?

The little Robinson R-22 is a blast /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 09:04 PM
For anyone interested, there's also a WW2 warbirds pack now available. Probably at flightsim or avsim.com...

I was going to grab it but I realized I have IL2/FB already so there wasn't any point.



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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 09:55 PM
I'm quite sure i'll buy fs2004. I've already had fs98, fs 2000, fs 2002...
There is simply no other civil flightsim with so much depth. But i think its useless to compare il2 fb with fs2004. The difference is so huge.
Also i can understand people who ask "isn't it boring just flying around without shooting something down?". They are right. Flying with a jetliner is just exciting at takeoff and landing but not between.*just my opinion* (and also it is not online on vatsim, ivao or flightproject). I think it is much more interesting to fly with small turboprops navigating with VORs, NDBs and so on, and doing Instrument landings, not always flying straight with autopilot.
But the cool thing is you've the choice.
Also it is cool to find your home airport surrounded with the same hills and lakes. You even try to spot your house /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 11:28 PM
rec00n

I hate to tell you this but you may not find anything close to your home turf.

I live in Big Bear Calif. It has a small airport, so I knew the area would be in 2004. What a joke! Big Bear Lake is surrounded by three cites, and a dam at one end of the lake. None of that is in 2004. Just a runway in the middle of nowhere, and nothing else. No cities at all!

I see at Flight Sim Central they have a pay for addon for the So Cal area. It has a shot of the addon Big Bear compared to what comes in the game. Pretty sad. It makes you wonder if it's all like this. I lived in Honolulu for awhile, so I looked at that too. I wouldn't have reconized it as Honolulu.

Instead of trying to do the whole world. They should have done a smaller area, and done it well.

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08-10-2003, 11:38 PM
Have 2002 Boring

Buy 2004 ? NO way...

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 11:45 PM
FS2004 is a blast to play if you like civilian aircraft flying sims.

I have the PMDG 737NG Series aircraft ands they are AWESOME.


Full FMC and everything.


I'll definately be playing FS2004 for a LONG time.




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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 12:05 AM
BuzzU... i got to thank you again.. One mans garbage is another mans treasure... FS2004 is pretty cool.

I like all the technical stuff you get to deal with in 2004. I am not giving up FB by any means, especially when I feel the need to blow some stuff up. But I flew from Miami to Pensacola today completely IFF. Skipped all those flight school things and started messign with the buttons. Not bad...

To get back onto IL2 topic... Lets vote BuzzU FB Man of the Year.


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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 12:07 AM
You mean fanboy of the year /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 12:19 AM
Let's not. I'd rather shoot you, and have you call me an asshat../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 12:36 AM
I'm with Dex here.

Do not get me wrong. I love FB but FS2004 gives you a great thrill when you fly IFR (flying with insturments).

Try a 747 landing into Boston in blinding snowstorm at night with severe crosswinds and that is "almost" as exciting as being on someones six.

Seeing storms build miles in the distance and FEELING the wind shift on the fly is simply amazing.

Not the same as FB but a complete different feel.

Only wish I could biff some of those ATC guys after I land though!

See you in the fence.....

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 02:33 AM
I just flew from Quito Ecuador (SEQU) to Bogota Columbia (SKBO) in a Boeing 747 400. I filed an IFR plan but ended up not using it until ~60 miles from the airport, using VORs for the majority of the trip.

Well lucky I filed the IFR because as I came in, the weather changed from decent to bad. I missed my first approach, choosing to abort at the "decision point". Circled around and on attempt #2, the runway was 100% obscured by clouds, so once again I used the ILS gauges and came in a little high (I was afraid to trust the gauges)....

When you plan a flight, set up the radios for nav, make the trip, see changing weather along the way, then deal with the ATC as they guide you in, and finally manage to make a good ILS approach, it's IMO an accomplishment.

FB has a similar feeling when you have a gruelling fight with a good pilot, online or off. You know that feeling you get when you make a decent online kill? Well that's how I felt after successfully landing and taxiing to the gates in FS.

All MS bashing aside (I've done my share), I really can't understand how simmers could resist a sim with such breadth as FS. Sure the ground looks blurry at 10 meters, but when do you ever cruise at 20,000 feet in FB and see land formations you can pick out on an atlas? Apples & oranges.

I'm just glad MS didn't mess it up with FS or I'd be ranting a lot /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif




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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 02:43 AM
Dex,

What I don't understand is why is the ground blurry? When your close enough to see that's it's blurry, you not drawing a very big area like at a higher altitude. Why couldn't they put in more detail?

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 02:52 AM
BuzzU wrote:
Why couldn't they put in more
- detail?


I somewhat agree with you, but with a) autogen cranked up b) different config settings, and c) flying in less populated areas, it becomes a moot point.

Example where it looks crap is if you fly over cities down low. With autogen cranked the ground is very densely covered with objects.

I was flying in BC Canada out of one of the river airports (bush country), and the ground looked great. With all the autogen trees on it, it looked as it should. So did the rock faces etc.

Same with my flights through South America lately. The mountains look breathtaking, and add clouds and a busy cockpit to manage and you stop paying close attention to the ground textures, especially when a subtle fog is blocking your view of the ground.

All in all, in my opinion, FS represents fairly well what you'd see out of a plane, while trying to keep system performance manageable. If they could render ground that looked immaculate, I doubt anyone would be able to run it with many other settings turned up.

How does FB perform over Leninggrad? My FPS can go as low as 3 or 4 depending on visual settings. It may look great, but it's useless.





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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 03:45 AM
I am smitten with FS... thanks to BuzzU for passing it along to me... I am learning IFF on the go as I start my way across the country on my big grand adventure around the world...

In the spirit of BuuzU's generosity, I have a brand new game of Neverwinter Nights that I will send to someone. Buzz didn't want anything in return for sending me FS2004 so I figure this is the least I can do. I bought it a month ago and I can't stand RPGs anymore. What possessed me to buy this one??

Anyway... the first person to PM me their name and address I will send Neverwinter Nights off to free of charge.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 04:08 AM
FS 2004 is nice, but boring. No bombs no guns, no chance!As to the flight models, they are CRAP. Just look at the roll rates on a big jet, they wallow around the sky (ever try doing a circuit in one of those things?). As to the cockpits, they are also CRAP (no map display, no realisitc MCP). Navigation, CRAP (no irs, no magenta line following, NO VNAV or LNAV) Cessna and stuff may be modelled well, but anything bigger than that is just crap.

The game has merits in teaching navigation and things, the weather is nice and the airports and scenery aint bad but the FM's (especially of jets) are hopeless. Some of the thrid party stuff is good in cockpit and nav terms (pilot in command series) but they just don't fly right. At least from my real life experience. (F/O 767)

N.B. A 744 would never file anything but an IFR flight plan, especially an international flight. ATC is nice but unrealistic in the fact that they all speak english well. Try flying into Jakarta, or almost any other country where english is not the first language try. It happens often, you look at eachother and constantly go "what the **** did he just say." followed by lots of "say agains" or "confirm ..........." If only real life was like FS.





Message Edited on 08/11/0303:24AM by DGC767

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 04:29 AM
I like the FS series but must say that aside from the fact you can shoot things, there is one aspect of FB that is far better than the FS series .. the FM on the edge of the envelope. You would expect this from a flight sim of course http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In FS teh flight model is great as long as you do nothing unusual. For example if you get a landing even slightly out of whack the aircraft behave in very weird ways .. (nosing up steeply when back stick applied even at stall speed for example) .. deliberate stalls and incipient spin recovery in the cessna 172 for example are odd to say the least .. to many other things to list.





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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 04:44 AM
DGC767 wrote:
- As to the cockpits, they are also
- CRAP (no map display, no realisitc MCP). Navigation,
- CRAP (no irs, no magenta line following, NO VNAV or
- LNAV) Cessna and stuff may be modelled well, but
- anything bigger than that is just crap.

You appear to have had the good fortune of flying
some Boeings. For a guy like me, cockpits like these
are pretty darn awesome, flexible, challenging, interesting,
and useful.

As for FMs being just crap, I wouldn't know to be able
to comment, but the larger jets or a Canadair CRJ200 are
great entertainment for me and the DC3 flies similar to
FB's HE111...


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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 05:33 AM
Nothing like trying to land a 747 at night in a thunderstorm and 5 miles visibility huh? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif With full ATC and realism set to max......yikes!
It is a great sim tho. I have left my computer on all night once, i forget where i was going,lol.But was cool waking up the next day to see myself still in the air /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

w*v

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 05:40 AM
I'd rather do that than an F-15 on a carrier in a storm at night time../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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08-11-2003, 05:54 AM
After little help from Dex, FS2004 looks great in my rig.
Not highest framerates, but it's ok with my.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 06:23 AM
BuzzU wrote:
- I'd rather do that than an F-15 on a carrier in a
- storm at night time../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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Yeh i did that with all the military planes i downloaded for FS2k2. Ended up nose first on the first arrestor cable /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Got tired of just flying around with no booms or bangs,,uninstalled it last week,,woohoo!
1,000,000,000MB of free diskspace again /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

w*v

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 03:03 AM
I just wanted to pipe in and let everyone know
I made it to the Panama Canal, ILS landing, and
then I decided to take a Beech Baron up for a little
sightseeing of the Canal and voila, thunderstorms
kicked up and I had to turn back... Sad I say...
Can't a guy do some simple sightseeing? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

So. I'm going to cut my vacation short, take out
an Airbus, and head up through Mexico. I'm looking
forward to getting back to North America. South was
cool but I miss home /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Hey, which way to Novvorossiysk? If anyone knows the
airports for some of IL2's areas, let me know and
I'll check them out and post back some screenies.


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08-12-2003, 03:32 AM
How you doing Dex /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I mean I hate you Dex /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Now I will have to bye FS 2004. Great screen shots, they look so real.

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 04:06 AM
Dex how do you take screen shots??

I am making my west around the globe... started in Miami > Pensacola > New Orleans > Houston > Denver > Salt Lake > and now just landed in Las Vegas at night... the city is hopping......

Next I am going to San Diego > Hawaii > to the Johnston Atoll in the middle of the Pacific... going via Leer... that thing is cool...

Congrats to Owen. for responding and getting a free game "Neverwinter Nights"... just passing the good fortune on of getting FS2004 from Buzz

S!

Skiri-ki

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 07:20 AM
I'm using Hypersnap DX, eval version (which puts little logos on the top left of my screenies since I'm too broke to buy their software /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )

It's here:
http://www.hyperionics.com/index.asp?rc=2633E

I've also heard FRAPS works well, but my video card is a little "different", and FRAPS didn't work for me.
It's probably the most standard screenie program around. Just search google for it.




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08-13-2003, 05:51 AM
Why not hit printscreen and save as a .jpeg?

Skiri-ki wrote:
- Dex how do you take screen shots??
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w*v