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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 08:43 AM
This has been bugging me since I first started playing IL2 and I've simply never gotten around to asking it. Sorry for its stupidity.

In many planes, next to the gun sight, there is a little circle on a stick. In some planes it has a cross within the circle. In some planes it's on the left and in others it's on the right.


ermmm, what is it? I suspect it's for lining up the plane to something but I'm not sure (in-flight refueling not being something that was done in the '40s)

Thanks in advance,

Alexi

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 08:43 AM
This has been bugging me since I first started playing IL2 and I've simply never gotten around to asking it. Sorry for its stupidity.

In many planes, next to the gun sight, there is a little circle on a stick. In some planes it has a cross within the circle. In some planes it's on the left and in others it's on the right.


ermmm, what is it? I suspect it's for lining up the plane to something but I'm not sure (in-flight refueling not being something that was done in the '40s)

Thanks in advance,

Alexi

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 08:58 AM
I don't think it's that stupid. I don't know that either, and would enjoy an answer too.

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 09:00 AM
I'll pretend I know exactly what it's for just not to look stupid.
But I won't tell ya and me too would like someone else to explain for em two stupid posters above what it is used for.
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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 09:01 AM
It's not a stupid question, the old saying is "No stupid questions only stupid answers" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
The answer to your questions is; It is a targeting ring for bombing and rocket firing. Hope that helps. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 09:02 AM
Well...... I don't know either. So that's us three stupids plus Ven.
Cheers!

Edit: Thanks Eagle, you got in before me. Why wouldn't the gunsight be used for rockets? The centre of it is where they should be going, yes? Or is that why I always miss with the damn things?


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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 09:06 AM
My best answer is it is an 'Iron sight' just a plain old sight in case your fancy Acemaker or Flugeshadtberverkein /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif gunsight malfunctioned. Mount a P-11, and thats all you'll see. Hope this helps, and btw, I didn't feel like looking up the fancy names for either fancy kinds of sights.

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Buzz_25th
10-17-2003, 09:11 AM
Eagle,

We need more info. How is it used any different than the normal sight?





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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 09:15 AM
I have found that normal sight works just as good for rockets with adding about 1/4 inch over target. Everything I have read about it has said that it was to better deal with the arc of the rocket travel. IMO the old iron pipper serves better for dive bombing than anything else. Skip bombing is more about delay and finesse than a fancy sight. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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Zayets
10-17-2003, 09:22 AM
You will notice that the pure fighters will not feature this ironsight.You will notice that few American bombers (B-25,B-24) feature this. The I have read somewhere that this is used for bombing runs. I have asked this question early this year and everybody told me that this is just a backup. Point is , if this is really a backup , why in the Jug this one is on the left? I mean I find it quite unconfortable to be used leaning right to aim , and when my gunsight is gone to lean left. Having this information , I have tried to use this sight for a low level bomb run. It worked , but you need a quite good deal of precision. For me is still unclear what this was used for , but I tend to believe the ones saying this ironsight was used for bomb runs. I will check where I've read about this and come later with some details if I have.

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 09:56 AM
Some of the older Reflection gunsights were not reliable. It case that they mesed up, the lamp went our or something ( you didn't want to loose your gunsight in the middle of a dogfight), for example the early German Revi Gunsight had a backup system, with the old "ring-and-bead" gunsight system. These were pushed to the side as shown below with red arrows, when the reflectorsighht was in use. (The Revi 3a backup-system is already pushed to the side on the pic)

The I-153 gunsight is wrongly modelled in the game, as it use both systems. The ring and bead are not pushed to the side.

The gunsights shown below are the German Revi 3a and Revi 3c.

http://www.gbg.bonet.se/bjorta/revi3a.jpg
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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 10:02 AM
F19_Orheim t that was the best visual iv ever seen for that.. thank you for post

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fluke39
10-17-2003, 11:14 AM
Vengeanze wrote:
- I'll pretend I know exactly what it's for just not
- to look stupid.
- But I won't tell ya and me too would like someone
- else to explain for em two stupid posters above what
- it is used for.


errm i thought you'd given up modding ven?

surely theres a law against going around saying your a mod when your a civilian? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

or have the powers that be not changed your rank yet - red tape and all that?

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Tully__
10-17-2003, 11:20 AM
fluke39 wrote:
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- Vengeanze wrote:
-- I'll pretend I know exactly what it's for just not
-- to look stupid.
-- But I won't tell ya and me too would like someone
-- else to explain for em two stupid posters above what
-- it is used for.
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- errm i thought you'd given up modding ven?
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- surely theres a law against going around saying your
- a mod when your a civilian? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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- or have the powers that be not changed your rank yet
- - red tape and all that?
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Red tape & all that... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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fluke39
10-17-2003, 11:26 AM
o and i've always wondered what those sights were for too

thanks for the answers guys - especially orheim


so is that what all those sights were - back- up sights - or were some actually for dive bombing then?

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 11:57 AM
hmmm..



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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 12:19 PM
Hey, Orheim, great info. I was jumping around some of the 'pits in QMB, hunting for other backup sights. Early 109E had it showing, but K4 didn't..... or maybe it did. What does that pic of a real Revi look like when the backup is not in use? Because if you look at a K4 Revi in the game, there is a thin bar on the left of the Revi going vertical and it comes to a point midway horizontaly on the sight. Is this vertical rod the backup sight?

Good hunting,
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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 12:33 PM
I have quite many good shots on Revi 3c and 3d (not on the later models as I was was more interested in these for a particular reason /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

The pic of the Revi 3a is from a original German manual I ordered from http://www.luftfahrt-archiv-hafner.de/, a great site with lots of things to buy if you are interested.

The pics of the Revi 3c I have taken myself and also got from the Swedish Airforce Museum in Malmen.

The pics of the Revi 3d I have collected from around the internet.

I'll post a few of them when I get home from work.

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 05:23 PM
Well I know on the American planes the old iron pipper is for bombing and such. But that really makes sense for the Revi sights, so I guess it just matters what plane we are talking about here. P-47 it is for bombing and such, German birds a backup for the Revi. Thanks for the info Orheim. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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