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bile1975
05-28-2006, 11:36 PM
Hi. I recetly got into combat sims, and after doing some research, I found that this game kept coming up as the number 1 game in the genre. After purchasing the box set (it came with Lock On and Pacific Fighters), I tried my hand at playing it and became very aware of the fact that I was getting NOWHERE. After many attempts to play a single player mission, I found that I couldn't even get the plane off the ground without crashing on the runway. For some reason, the plane always taxis to the right...usually off of the runway and into the grass. I end up going in a wide circle before I get enough speed to leave the ground, only to dip down and hit the Earth before exploding. Why does it always go to the right like that?
I then tried multiplayer. I found that only 6 people were playing this game online. After trying to join their server for 5 minutes, I realized that the "Connecting To Server" status wasn't going to change. I probably jumped into his game a little too eagerly, but it looks like a lot of fun and I'm very interested in learning the ins-and-outs of it. Any help you guys might have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

WildApes
05-28-2006, 11:42 PM
This game can be brutally challanging. Just be aware that games like this are really meant to push your abilities. I dont think a single person to play this game just fired it up and got multiple kills their first time. In fact I would guess most people crashed when they first took off the runway like you and I did. It takes a lot of patience. I've had the game close to a month and have maybe gotten 5-6 online kills the entire time I have played. I still stall out and crash alot but I have gotten much better.

It just takes patience and a lot of practice. If it frustrates you too much I would say it's not your kind of game.

WTE_Galway
05-28-2006, 11:54 PM
ease on the throttle gradually and use rudder to steer straight not stick

actually .. do a bit of reading here ..

http://www.airwarfare.com/sturmovik_101/faq_index.htm


also I suggest maybe flying some quick missions (they atart in the air) against something easy like a novice C47 and working your way up

U978
05-28-2006, 11:59 PM
Here are tips (you may know them already, but I try to help and make assumptions on basis of what you said).

Take off

Use your rudder to control the direction of your plane (and to keep your plane on a straight course while takign off). But to be able to do so, you need some speed (10 to 20 km/h, I'd say). Increase throttle progressively (don't go from 0 to 100% throttle straight away). And set your flaps to "Take off" position.

Once in air, don't forget to "up" your landing gear, as it will help to gain speed, which means gain stability and have an lower risk of stalling. Also set your flaps full up as flaps reduce your speed.

Landing

First, you have to find out the orientation of the runway, and approach from far enough to be able to come straight in line with the runway.
Decrease speed. The goal is to be around 170...200 when you will land.
Once under 300 (300 si still a bit too fast, but its' ok: the landing gear will help to reduce the speed), lower your landing gear, and progresssively use your flaps until you reach the "landing" position.

You should land with a low vertical speed (which will require that you keep the nose of your plane quite up) or you will bounce when you hit the ground, and probably end up with a destroyed plane.

Once you managed to hit the ground smoothly enough, set throttle to zero and apply brakes repetitively during short time intervals. Continuously applying brakes would slow down your plane so fast that your nose will end up in the ground, and your plane will be damaged.

While in air

Rule number one: remain aware of your environment. This is the key for survival and for finding targets. If the ennemy sees you and you don't see him, you're dead.
And don't engage an ennemy if you're not in an advantaging situation (i.e. you are not outnumbered, and you have at least equal, or better, higher altitude). A common mistake is to go for an ennemy plane, and leave his teammate free to shoot you while you pursue your target.

Rule number two: don't shoot from too far. Keep ammo for targets that are close enough and big enough in your reticle. If you fire from close enough, you have more chances to hit, and when you do, you will do more damages, increasing your chances to kill.

You have to know your plane: some planes are better in "turn & burn" fights (those in which you turn adn turn, and turn until you're in your ennemy's 6), others are better in "boom & zoom" (you come at high altitude, you diev on a target, you fire, and after that, you fly away, usually returning to your high altitude).

"Turn & burn" is usually easier at the beginning.

You also have to learn to shoot: bullets have their speed, planes have their speed. You need to learn to predict where your bullets can meet the ennemy plane (predictive shooting).

Those were really the basics, without tons of additional rules and details. Even small details that can make the whole difference.

Practice and patience is the key!

But a last thing: you will have a very hard time alone. To be effective, poeple have to play as a team (cover each others), and for that, voice communication is really an advantage.

MucusG
05-29-2006, 12:05 AM
I'm a fairly new convert to the combat flight sim world as well. The main thing that I can recommend is to change your short term goals or you WILL become very frustrated. This is not a game for instant gratifications and 2 weeks longevity. It is a game for the long haul with small incremental (and immensly satisfying) steps along the way.

When you achieve something its because it was deserved and EARNT http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Esel1964
05-29-2006, 12:10 AM
If you haven't already,set your difficulty settings lower,then as you get the hang of it,increase difficulty.

Make sure your controls are good,use minimal inputs,and practice.

You'll find the effort,worth the rewards. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Bearcat99
05-29-2006, 01:22 AM
Are you flying with a joystick? If not get one. Make sure youassign a control to rudder trim. Practice.... as for online play... you wont find too many people flying FB1.0. Most of us are running either 4.04 or the 4.05 version which is the paid Pe-2 upgrade. Read this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/4591089933/r/4591089933#4591089933) thread. Keep in mind that the planes listed are even more since we have had a few patches since that was done. What you bought was a good intro to flight sims.. but as far as this series goes the minimum you will need to get the full flavor is the fully merged FB+AEP+PF version patched up to 4.04. If you are in the US then I suggest you take a trip to Comp USA or gpo to thier website to see if the local store has the ForgottenBattles GOLD pack. If you cant find that then get the Forgotten Battles Complete edition here (http://www.gogamer.com/cgi-bin/GoGamer.storefront/SESSIONID/Search/Run) You might also consider justgetting the FB gold pack there. The nice thing about the FB complete edition is that it contains Forgotten Battles, The Aces Expansion pack and Pacific Fighters all on one DVD.

GR142-Pipper
05-29-2006, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by bile1975:
Hi. I recetly got into combat sims, and after doing some research, I found that this game kept coming up as the number 1 game in the genre. After purchasing the box set (it came with Lock On and Pacific Fighters), I tried my hand at playing it and became very aware of the fact that I was getting NOWHERE. After many attempts to play a single player mission, I found that I couldn't even get the plane off the ground without crashing on the runway. For some reason, the plane always taxis to the right...usually off of the runway and into the grass. I end up going in a wide circle before I get enough speed to leave the ground, only to dip down and hit the Earth before exploding. Why does it always go to the right like that?
I then tried multiplayer. I found that only 6 people were playing this game online. After trying to join their server for 5 minutes, I realized that the "Connecting To Server" status wasn't going to change. I probably jumped into his game a little too eagerly, but it looks like a lot of fun and I'm very interested in learning the ins-and-outs of it. Any help you guys might have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. First, your initial reaction and experiences are perfectly normal. This is a high skill game. Honestly, I'm a former military pilot and I experienced the very same things you have. Initially, I couldn't get the planes airborne to save my life (a little shot to my ego to be sure). Try learning on the P-47D 1944. It's stable and the landing gear has a wide track. The best thing to do is to be patient and to only apply about 85% throttle for take-off until you get the hang of it. That will increase your take-off run a bit but the plane will be much more controllable. Keep practicing and your skills will definitely improve...no kidding. Play off-line until you feel comfortable flying the plane against the ai planes. Practice against 190s initially until your flying and gunnery get consistent. Remember, your learning curve will include steps up then plateaus until the next skill increase. Perfectly normal. In time, you'll be mixing it on-line and the fun will really begin.

Welcome to the club. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GR142-Pipper

Taylortony
05-29-2006, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by bile1975:
Hi. I recetly got into combat sims, and after doing some research, I found that this game kept coming up as the number 1 game in the genre. After purchasing the box set (it came with Lock On and Pacific Fighters), I tried my hand at playing it and became very aware of the fact that I was getting NOWHERE. After many attempts to play a single player mission, I found that I couldn't even get the plane off the ground without crashing on the runway. For some reason, the plane always taxis to the right...usually off of the runway and into the grass. I end up going in a wide circle before I get enough speed to leave the ground, only to dip down and hit the Earth before exploding. Why does it always go to the right like that?
I then tried multiplayer. I found that only 6 people were playing this game online. After trying to join their server for 5 minutes, I realized that the "Connecting To Server" status wasn't going to change. I probably jumped into his game a little too eagerly, but it looks like a lot of fun and I'm very interested in learning the ins-and-outs of it. Any help you guys might have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.


The swing is torque induced by the engines, that is why you need to feed in the power slower, also check you have it trimmed out, as said you really need a joystick as it helps 100 fold.
In the loading of the game you can select to start in the air if you start a multiplayer game on your own offline, this will allow you to get airborne rapidly and get a feel for the planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif there will be no one else flying and bar the odd ground fire it will allow you to get a feel for the planes uninterrupted..... persevere as once you have hacked the take offs and controls you will be laughing.

Ok you say you bought a box set, what are we talking about, forgotten battles on its own? there are very few fly this as these days, you really need forgottten battles the AEP add on disc and Pacific Fighters all merged together. that is what most own and fly and a lot have the buy to download PE2 add on as well.........BUT before you spend more money you want to get flying with what you have and see if you will enjoy it first http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif we will all help you get there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You state you could not get into a game online, well I take it we are talking UbiCom here?

OK have you one downloaded the latest patches? you might balk at the size of them but the game needs the latest patch version to play online, rest assured though you get even MORE planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Two if you have a firewall is your game being allowed to pass through it ok will be ubicom and possibly the GS4.exe

Three the most normal reason it does not connect is the default setting in set up..

Ok go in windows start
all programmes
look for the ubisoft folder
open that and go to the last window
in there click on set up
when that opens click on the network tab
is there a window called IP ( not all have it)
If there is, is the word default in the window?
if it is click on default and 2 numbers will come up, select the bottom one then try again if you have done all of the above it should connect.

In there you can turn off the intro movie BTW by unticking the box at the bottom of the window http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

also I would suggest you try hyperlobby as well for gaming its free and a lot more people use it.

These will also help you bucket loads, they are full of helpfull advice,

http://www.airwarfare.com/guides.htm

http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/fmbguide/intro.htm (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/%7Echapman/il2guide/fmbguide/intro.htm)


btw try flying the Il2 or hurri first as they are less prone to swinging on take off than some of the other aircrafthttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

hope that helps you a little, stick with it if you can the game is awesome http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Friendly_flyer
05-29-2006, 02:26 AM
Taylortonys advice is good. I flew with the quick mission builder for allmost a half a year befor trying to take of and land on my own. I recomend staring up with a relatively benign plane (like one of the IL2 variants) to get the feel for the game, then progress to harder tasks, eighter flying fighters or full missions.

Hint:
Hunting He-111s with the cannon armed IL2 is a lot of fun!

kajr
05-29-2006, 04:08 AM
I heartily agree with all the above...don't cut your IL2 eyeteeth trying to take off. I did the same thing when I started, and got very frustrated. Same story, going around in circles, not getting enough speed.

Someone suggested in this forum that I start with the quick missions, because you start off in the air. I flew those for about a month before attempting to take off the first time. And then only after following the FAQs on taking off, because there is a lot to know to get into the air.

I also suggest practicing solo before getting into multiplayer just yet.... just a thought.

bile1975
05-29-2006, 09:03 AM
Wow, I didn't expect this community to be so active (having only seen 6 or 7 people playing it online). But maybe I don't have it patched up to the right version.
This is what I bought:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7771823&t...uct&id=1142289189317 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7771823&type=product&id=1142289189317)

If that's not what you guys are playing, what patches, expansions, etc. would I eventually need once I get the hang of it? I don't plan on doing it online until my skills improve, but I'd like to be pointing in the right direction from the beginning. Thanks for all of the advice. I can't wait to get off of work today and use some of it.

FluffyDucks
05-29-2006, 09:12 AM
Looks like you have the original Il-2 which is not compatible with the version most people fly which is IL-2 Forgotten Battles patched and merged with Aces Expansion Pack AND Pacific Fighters. You will need to get the gold verrsion or the new all in one DVD which is a one stop shot.

CD_kp84yb
05-29-2006, 09:14 AM
Hi

Looks like you have IL2 sturmovik original and pacific fighters.

Now what you need to play online is:

A: Il2 forgotten battles
B: Aces expansion pack
And the patches upto 4.04m (m stands for merged)

C: (optional ) Pe 2

Now if you can fine the platina or gold edition , you are owner of all the needed parts.

Welcome .

You can fly on UBI.com , Hyperlobby or use the allseeing eye.

regards

Taylortony
05-29-2006, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by bile1975:
Wow, I didn't expect this community to be so active (having only seen 6 or 7 people playing it online). But maybe I don't have it patched up to the right version.
This is what I bought:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7771823&t...uct&id=1142289189317 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7771823&type=product&id=1142289189317)

If that's not what you guys are playing, what patches, expansions, etc. would I eventually need once I get the hang of it? I don't plan on doing it online until my skills improve, but I'd like to be pointing in the right direction from the beginning. Thanks for all of the advice. I can't wait to get off of work today and use some of it.

you would be better installing pacific fighters as that is one of the newer versions, then when you have the hang of that one and you enjoy it then buy the other 2 or indeed the DVD version of all 3... The original IL2 is old now and everyone has progressed off it. It also is harder to fly as people moaned about the flight modelling so it got tweaked down a bit...

domenlovrec
05-29-2006, 09:23 AM
Ou, if you'll ever have problems with spins, practise on P39.

KOM.Nausicaa
05-29-2006, 10:38 AM
Bile, there are actually up to 1000 players every night on Hyperfighter. That is an independent server.

Von_Rat
05-29-2006, 11:53 AM
as others said use your rudder to steer on ground. ive found that you can use rudder to steer and taxi to line up plane to runway at very low speeds, if you tap your brakes while pushing rudder.


and yes hundreds of people play online every nite on hyperlobby.

carguy_
05-29-2006, 12:08 PM
Whaaaaat?!I always thought them gremlins were the cause my plane goes right and overboard!

Old_Canuck
05-29-2006, 12:24 PM
Stay with it M8. The community here is very supportive for the most part and most of the old hands will admit to feeling like a "frustrated nOOb" on a regular basis. But we just keep coming back for more. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

trumper
05-29-2006, 12:40 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifIf you have mapped your controls and you have a tail wheel plane you can lock the tail wheel when you are satisfied you are pointing up the runway prior to take off.Locking the tail wheel will help keep you straight at first.

blazer-glory
05-29-2006, 01:08 PM
Yep this is a toughie! Ive had this for about a year and have'nt really played it much due to the steep learning curve. I can land and take off, that comes with time, but shooting things down? I'm still useless at it and its one of the hardest things about this sim. I've come back to it now and gonna give it another go. One of the best tips Ive got it to play Quick Missions with just one other enemy plane. Have unlimited ammo and start fighting just bombers then move on to the more older, slower fighters. Have their skill level set low and then increase it as your skills increase. Also use external views
alot at first to get an understanding of how the enemy reacts and flys.

DIRTY-MAC
05-29-2006, 01:30 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bile1975:
Wow, I didn't expect this community to be so active (having only seen 6 or 7 people playing it online). But maybe I don't have it patched up to the right version.

He He Its probably one of the most active and alive game forums on the net,

Welcome by the way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

bile1975
05-29-2006, 01:46 PM
I went to sleep last night feeling defeated and duped by the people that recommended this game to me. After seeing how many of you there are that are playing it (somewhere out there!) and how devoted you seem to be to it, I feel a lot better about my purchase and hope to see some of you in the online skies! This fuels my desire to understand it more and not try to get a refund at the store. Thanks again.

major_setback
05-29-2006, 01:53 PM
The 'pulling to one side' is modelled in the aircraft to duplicate how they behave in real life. There is a reaction on the aircraft due to the spinning propeller, it acts in the opposite direction of the prop's spin, and is experienced as a pull to one side on take-off. This is what people are refering to as torque.

FoolTrottel
05-29-2006, 01:59 PM
You can also read and study Tully 's The 4.0x flight model...some hints & tips (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5111047273/r/5111047273#5111047273)

EDIT: Oops, you are not yet patched up to 4.0x ... well, just read it and see if it helps... if it does not help, patch up to 4.0x and try again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Have Fun!

Xiolablu3
05-29-2006, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by bile1975:
I went to sleep last night feeling defeated and duped by the people that recommended this game to me. After seeing how many of you there are that are playing it (somewhere out there!) and how devoted you seem to be to it, I feel a lot better about my purchase and hope to see some of you in the online skies! This fuels my desire to understand it more and not try to get a refund at the store. Thanks again.

MAte, do you have a joystick?

You can get a very cheap setup if you know a little about computers. Buy an old soundcard with a gameport on it, put it in but disable the sound features if you dont want to use the and just use it as a gameport. (old SB live about 1 off ebay)

Now go onto ebay and buy an old Sidewinder Precision Pro Gameport for around 3, amazing old sticks and work just great. mUch better than the cheap sticks around today. Noone wants these old sticks becasue they have the old gameport connectors, therefore you get a bargain.

There you go a nice joystick setup for under 5.

You must use your rudder when you take off to keep straight. Y0u prop pulls you to one side.

Persevere with this game, I garunteee you will love it. Try and pick up the whole series so that you can play with us on line. Most of us use the whole series merged togther for the fantastica mount of flyable planes you get.

Thats :

FOrgoteen Battles
Aces Expansion PAck
PAcific Fighters
Pe2 Addon. All merged together.

You can pick up the first 3 on a DVD togther for around 20. Then get the Pe2 addon online for 10.

The best WW2 flight sim by far with alomost 100 flayable planes for around 30. Online play is the best part of the sim, with maps where your team must destroy the enemies ground targets or destroy all their plane allotment. This leads to teamwork with fighters covering bombers and ground attack planes if you want to win the map.

If its getting too much for you then turn the difficluty settings down, and maybe start in the air to start with.

Use take off flaps for easier take off but they are not essential, they just make it easier. Be sure to raise them again after you take off or you will jam them.

The reason you havent seen many people online is becasue we all use the merged series, not the single games. There are up to 1000 players every night using the merged series and you can always find a good game online.

dieg777
05-29-2006, 02:10 PM
Hi and welcome- what you are experiencing is not unusual - it took me about a month to take off and land a me109.

Having said that there is a lot of help and advice for people at www.airwarfare.com (http://www.airwarfare.com).
here are links to 2 threads from other beginners asking for help and contain good advice.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=9181071422&p=1

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=400102&f=231102...131017622#9131017622 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=4901007622&r=9131017622#9131017622)

as has been alsready said check out the FAQ at airwarfare and also the community manual here which is packed with advice from users here

http://airwarfare.com/mediawiki-1.4.5/index.php?title=Main_Page

A bit of reading but should set you on the right path

good luck

carguy_
05-29-2006, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
You can get a very cheap setup if you know a little about computers. Buy an old soundcard with a gameport on it, put it in but disable the sound features if you dont want to use the and just use it as a gameport. (old SB live about 1 off ebay)

DAMMIT you wrote that 8months late!!!
I wanted to buy all the new race games but my mobo aint got a gameport so 8months no chance to buy GTR and now this!!!Which model is it?I`m buying this rightaway.

A BIG thanks nonetheless!

Xiolablu3
05-29-2006, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by carguy_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
You can get a very cheap setup if you know a little about computers. Buy an old soundcard with a gameport on it, put it in but disable the sound features if you dont want to use the and just use it as a gameport. (old SB live about 1 off ebay)

DAMMIT you wrote that 8months late!!!
I wanted to buy all the new race games but my mobo aint got a gameport so 8months no chance to buy GTR and now this!!!Which model is it?I`m buying this rightaway.

A BIG thanks nonetheless! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

M8, most of the old Sb Live! soundcards have a gameport. You are better buy one of these than a gameport>USB converter because they dont always work.

Find a 2nd hand Soundblaster live going cheap on Ebay for around 1-3 and message the seller just to make sure its got a gameport (the new models dont have gameports so it must be an older one, but they are cheaper anyway)

Anything like this one, but email the seller just to make sure it has a gameport, I htink you can see one on these :-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sound-Blaster-Live-1024-Sound-Car...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sound-Blaster-Live-1024-Sound-Card_W0QQitemZ6885245223QQcategoryZ3701QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Soundblaster-Live-PCI-card-sound-...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Soundblaster-Live-PCI-card-sound-card-manual-CD_W0QQitemZ6885238929QQcategoryZ3701QQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem)

You can use it purely as a gameport and disable the soundcard, using your newer soundcard if you have one, but if you have onboard software sound, you may as well use the hardware SB live for sound.

DOnt pay any more than a couple of because SB lives are 10 a penny http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Glad I can help and PM me if you need help setting it up...

Jaws2002
05-29-2006, 03:13 PM
You can get the gold pack that one has FB+AEP:

http://www.gogamer.com/cgi-bin/GoGamer.storefront/SESSI...roduct/View/001IL2FG (http://www.gogamer.com/cgi-bin/GoGamer.storefront/SESSIONID/Product/View/001IL2FG)
for 30$ .. You'll have to put PF on top of it and then all the patches up to 4.04m http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif


but better get the "IL-2 Complete Edition DVD"

http://www.gogamer.com/isroot/GoGamer/SiteImages/Quickb...2completeedition.jpg (http://www.gogamer.com/isroot/GoGamer/SiteImages/Quickbuy/il2completeedition.jpg)
for 35$ and is on DVD patched to 4.04m. Many are still playing this version online. It saves you from a lot of troble with patches and updates. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And the last thing you'll need: "Pe-2 addon" from UBI Soft.

Zoom2136
05-29-2006, 03:26 PM
Check out the squads... Omega Air Command (OAC) trains the experience and beginners to be aces... swing by our web site... check out the tutorials and maybe attend a course or two (yep we give free classes (basic flight and combat flying)
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
http://www.oacsquad.com/

Have fun...

Xiolablu3
05-29-2006, 04:03 PM
Lol those SB lives went for higher prices simply becasxue I posted them on this forum I think, one was at 99p and the other at 1.50 when I posted them.

Now one went for 7 (!). I hope the seller is greatful, they only usually go for about 1-3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VW-IceFire
05-29-2006, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by WildApes:
This game can be brutally challanging. Just be aware that games like this are really meant to push your abilities. I dont think a single person to play this game just fired it up and got multiple kills their first time. In fact I would guess most people crashed when they first took off the runway like you and I did. It takes a lot of patience. I've had the game close to a month and have maybe gotten 5-6 online kills the entire time I have played. I still stall out and crash alot but I have gotten much better.

It just takes patience and a lot of practice. If it frustrates you too much I would say it's not your kind of game.
So true. My first attempt at a takeoff was with a Bf109G-2 and I couldn't get the thing off the ground. I tried to pull up hard...that didn't work...then slowly...that didn't work...then I learned about flaps...started to get somewhere but screwed it up at the end...it was quite the experience.

The game is challenging but rewarding in the long run. Welcome to the fold!

bile1975
05-29-2006, 05:18 PM
So, what everyone is saying is that this box that I just bought for myself (and another one for my nephew so that we can play online) won't get me anywhere, and I should have bought the Forgotten Battles instead? Is it true that if I install Pacific Fighters as a stand-alone, I won't be able to connect to most servers?

VW-IceFire
05-29-2006, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by bile1975:
So, what everyone is saying is that this box that I just bought for myself (and another one for my nephew so that we can play online) won't get me anywhere, and I should have bought the Forgotten Battles instead? Is it true that if I install Pacific Fighters as a stand-alone, I won't be able to connect to most servers?
Yes that'd be pretty much true. Not many people have just Pacific Fighters. Most of us now have the entire package plus the recently added Pe-2 Online Addon. Not everyone has upgraded to that mind you...but eventually they will.

This is definately a problem for off the shelf impulse buyers...but most simmers don't don that so I don't see it as a huge problem. Its still not much of a consolation for you.

What you'd want to find, having got PF already is the Forgotten Battles Gold Edition which contains Forgotten Battles and Ace Expansion Pack. Those are the other two critical components you need to get PF merged into FB+AEP+PF.

Xiolablu3
05-29-2006, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by bile1975:
So, what everyone is saying is that this box that I just bought for myself (and another one for my nephew so that we can play online) won't get me anywhere, and I should have bought the Forgotten Battles instead? Is it true that if I install Pacific Fighters as a stand-alone, I won't be able to connect to most servers?

You will be able top play with other Pacific Fighters owners, but not with people hwo have the whole merged series.

Its not a waste, since you need pacific fighters as one of the 4 games to merge. YOu may be able to find Forgotten Battles and Aces Expansion pack to buy togther (I think its called the Gold pack) very cheap.

If you had bought just the Forogotten battles, then you would be in the same situation, just being able to connect to other forgotten battles servers, rather than pacific fighters servers. We will all recommend the whole series which you can probably get for less than $30 now even if you buy them seperate, and you already have Pacific fighters to merge, so you only need the other 3 now.

Forgotten Battles
Aces Expansion (these 2 together are available as the gold pack)
Pacific Fighters
Pe2 Expansion

You can only buy the PE2 addon (the fourth paid upgrade in the series of 4) from the Ubi website online, since it was supposed to be a RUssian only adddon, but people wanted it in the West too, so MAddox released it as an online download for the West, not ideal, but a lot less expense for the publisher.

I think there are a few who play PF standalone online, but nowhere near as many as those who have the whole series.

Its up to you really, if you find you love PF and want more, then get the series. You wont regret it, its not like any other game which you get tired of. Its so open ended and every mission is different. Also there is an online chat program which allows yo to browse and join/create servers. Its called hyperlobby, where most online flyer hang out.

Dowmnload it and have a chat with the other people on there..You will find many of us on there chatting :--

http://hyperfighter.sk/

You will find help for setting up your own coops using just Pacific Fighters so that you and your friend can play together.

In the life of the series we have had so many free patches and planes that it makes the series amazing value for money. For instance the last big patch added for free, The Tempest, The Mosquito, The Dornier 335, 109K4 1.98 ATA, Spitfire IX 25lbs boost and others I forget now.

I play this game far more than any other, you are constanly learning new things about flying.

WTE_Galway
05-29-2006, 06:16 PM
To carguy ..

have you seen these ?

http://www.wyntec.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=170_172&products_id=1279



to ... Bile1975

If you only have Pacific Fighters you only have half the plane set http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Its well worth your while picking up a cheap copy of Forgotten battles and AEP even for offline. Though personally I would suggest getting the complete DVD to save patch hastles.

NOW as for Online ... you will find a lot more people using hyperlobby than on Ubi.com .

For online play I sugggest that ..

1. get hyperlobby

http://hyperfighter.sk/

2. ,,, this is a must ... sign up for a squadron in your time zone

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/48310655

Buster_Dee
05-29-2006, 07:14 PM
One thing you are probably not ready for is the way Maddox supports this sim. Every patch includes SUBSTANTIAL new content. You will lose the feeling you might have had with most games: patches here usually don't mean the original was flawed, and you'll get excited rather than annoyed each time one happens. The last 3 patches weren't even supposed to happen, and Maddox had said there would be no more add-ons because of their heavy commitment to their upcoming Battle of Britain sim. Happily, Oleg Maddox broke those "promises."

The flight models aren't perfect, but they are very advanced. Much more than torque is modeled (e.g., additional swing will occur if the tail is raised too quickly--again, true to life).

I've done a bit of RL flying myself, and some of the limitations are with controllers, not with the game. If rudder pedals or twist grip sticks could provide some feedback, you would correct for swing more instinctively. But, do as others have suggested (slow throttle feed), and most of the problem will simply not occur.

In my 1st squadron, I was the only one who had played the game. My M8s took several weeks to take off without incident. It took several more to land as such. I had already undergone the whack to my ego, so watching and trying to help them was great fun.

Of course, when they improved, I was the worst of the lot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

bile1975
05-29-2006, 08:07 PM
I just downloaded the 4.01 patch, and instead of being an .exe file, it was a bunch of different files. Where do these go?
Also, when I finally finish downloading all of the patches, do I just put them in the same folder with the earlier versions ?

Scen
05-29-2006, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by bile1975:
I went to sleep last night feeling defeated and duped by the people that recommended this game to me. After seeing how many of you there are that are playing it (somewhere out there!) and how devoted you seem to be to it, I feel a lot better about my purchase and hope to see some of you in the online skies! This fuels my desire to understand it more and not try to get a refund at the store. Thanks again.

Hey man I'm really happy to see someone willing to give this Genre a go...

A while back I put together a sort of easy guide for by buddies that where starting out much like you. I've kept it up to date so have a look. It will really help you out.

There are a number of really top notch sites out there that have great information to get you going.

The guide should help you get a better understanding of the overall picture then you can dive in from there.

Off the Cuff it looks like you just have Pacific Figthers and to be honest I suggest you go with what they call a mergerd version.

Check my post and it should explain everthing.

http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=97108

WTE_Galway
05-29-2006, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by bile1975:
I just downloaded the 4.01 patch, and instead of being an .exe file, it was a bunch of different files. Where do these go?
Also, when I finally finish downloading all of the patches, do I just put them in the same folder with the earlier versions ?

patch thread

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/5581083643

carguy_
05-29-2006, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
To carguy ..

have you seen these ?

http://www.wyntec.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=170_172&products_id=1279



Yes,I`ve seen this.For that amount of money I could buy a new wheel&pedals and I`m not used to dumping stuff like my old racing "equipment" just because it doesn`t have the needed port.Figured I`d wait for a good moment when I have more $.With the soundcard I can`t go wrong it seems though.

AlGroover
05-30-2006, 07:59 AM
If you have Pacific Fighters only, don't try the carrier takeoff and landing just yet - you'll get doubly frustrated. Try the RAAF Beaufighter campaign. Easy to fly and a nice big runway.

Zoom2136
05-30-2006, 08:05 AM
Don't patch your stand alone version of PF... go by the DVD edition and that should bring you up to 4.04m (that means FB+AEP+PF patched to 4.0.m) you will just have to buy the Pe-2 add-on for about 20$... and you will be up to 4.05m and able to join the most popular servers (wourclouds, darskies, Winds of War, etc... (all on hypperlobby))

Worf101
05-30-2006, 08:48 AM
If you hang in, and keep at it, you'll soon find yourself emmersed in this weird wonderful "virtual world". A world full of eediots and crumudgeons, characters and crazies but also some of the finest folks I've ever "not met" face to face. They will praise you, pan you, encourage and enrage you, but if you're lucky, they'll also come to care about you.. This I know for sure..

Da Worfster

dieg777
05-30-2006, 01:09 PM
hi - all versions of the game and patches are explained here

http://www.airwarfare.com/guides/patching.htm

good luck

bile1975
05-30-2006, 02:48 PM
I appreciate all of the support...but after spending two days downloading patches and speaking with all of you, I have realized that I initially bought the wrong game to be introduced to this community and have convinced the salesperson at the PC store to let me exchange it for something else (since he doesn't have FB). I'm afraid my excursion into flight sims will have to be delayed indefinitely. Since I can't find any servers to play PB stane-alone on, I'll have to settle for something else for now. Thanks for the help, guys. Hopefully, I'll be back one day.

JFC_Rautaristi
05-30-2006, 04:13 PM
I'm sad if i'm a bit too late for this one...

Still, i am one of the few people in here that play the standalone version of the game. I have both standalone and merged but i play mostly on standalone.

If you changed you game already, that's ok, but if you still have it i could help you get started with it. If you're interested just let me know. Also, the platinum DVD (FB+AEP+PF) is available from www.play.com (http://www.play.com) for only 15, and as far as i know, it's free delivery worldwide...

And did you use hyperlobby to search for servers? As there certainly are servers for standalone...

Scen
05-30-2006, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by bile1975:
I appreciate all of the support...but after spending two days downloading patches and speaking with all of you, I have realized that I initially bought the wrong game to be introduced to this community and have convinced the salesperson at the PC store to let me exchange it for something else (since he doesn't have FB). I'm afraid my excursion into flight sims will have to be delayed indefinitely. Since I can't find any servers to play PB stane-alone on, I'll have to settle for something else for now. Thanks for the help, guys. Hopefully, I'll be back one day.

Bummer dude... Well you can always pick up the DVD version and it has everything you need to get going even online with 1000 others.

I know you've taken a different route but it wouldn't be hard for you to pick up a copy.

If you decide never to get into it then you don't know what you're missing.

bile1975
05-30-2006, 06:52 PM
Well, the games are back on the store shelf and the cash is in my pocket. I don't order stuff online, so unless FB shows up in Best Buy or Circuit City, I don't know if I'll be on anytime soon. I'm bummed, because I was looking forward to being an active member of this community eventually. You all seem to get a lot out of the game, and it's hard to find a game that has such a devoted following that doesn't consist of a bunch of hateful little kids (Counter Strike, Halo, etc.). Hopefully, I'll be back one day. Until then, I'll be playing Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield Veitnam. Thanks for all of the support..

Unknown_Target
05-30-2006, 07:04 PM
Aw, that's too bad dude, I wish I had seen this earlier. You should check out the squad I'm in, JFC: www.jfcmil.com (http://www.jfcmil.com)
We fly full real with a continuous campaign every sunday. And it's all on standalone PF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif On top of that, there are at least a few people who still fly standalone PF, it was worth it to me before I got FB + AEP.

Old_Canuck
05-30-2006, 09:30 PM
See you later, bile1975. Keep an eye open for the release of Oleg's Battle of Britain. That might be a good time for you to jump in and go through the birthing pains of a new sim with all of us diehards http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

carguy_
05-31-2006, 07:31 AM
I think if you keep playing BF/BV you`ll be right at home.Even if you ever had balls to return to this game you`d be hooked and that`s bad.The game can mess up things,really.

And for the record I tell you that you`d be just a target online for about 2-3months regardless how good you`re offline.And you`ve got a long way to be good offline.

LStarosta
05-31-2006, 07:39 AM
They're only being nice to you now because they want you to come play online so they can get some easy kills at your expense. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

blazer-glory
05-31-2006, 04:02 PM
Makes you wonder, really, how the hell real pilots managed to stay alive long enough to GAIN any experience. Guess they were the lucky ones.

GR142-Pipper
05-31-2006, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by blazer-glory:
Makes you wonder, really, how the hell real pilots managed to stay alive long enough to GAIN any experience. Guess they were the lucky ones. That's easy. We had an instructor along. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GR142-Pipper

blazer-glory
06-02-2006, 12:18 PM
You mean you seen action???