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Oleg_Maddox
11-17-2004, 08:58 AM
Dear folks,

Our programmer finally come back (but another got sick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif)
He said he need week or so that to get listed by me planes finally coded.
So we decided to release tomorrow the separate of new planes patch with fixes and improvements.

It is already compiled today, but not ready final readme. Should be ready by tomorrow morning.
I think it is the best way for the current moment that to do not wait for another week (and maybe you'll find something more that to fix? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif).


We will offer this patch as v3.01 for the stand alone PF and v3.01m (merged) for the common install PF into FB+AEP

All I promised (even more) will be included in that patch except new planes. Sorry, see above

In additional we will give some new effects on the water, etc....

Recommended drivers from the time of this patch:

ATI cards:
Catalyst 4.11 http://www.ati.com/home/online/CatalystCCCdriver.html
NVidia cards:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_66.93

I can say that it is our common work with the guys from these respected firms. Was fixes from both sides http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

There in the patch we will offer the new method of the program start (new executable programs)
We will keep old and new at once - you will be able to compare differences and report us which is the best.

The size will be ~60 Mb
And the size for these who like to test new method (new executable module) in additional ~7 Mb

With the tests here of new module we got better FPS... But the main purpose - to protect from possible in future online cheaters by the new method of code cripting.

We promised to change the gunnery of the ships - we did it. Even more - it is now more tunable here not only in custom missions, but as well in campaign (both single and online).

There also is present new map - Marianas. Several new campaigns (and fixes for some of old, where was bugs)

Fixes and improvemens list? It is simply impossible to list them all. I would say that the changes were applied to more than 200 modules of program where users found the bugs and where we ourselves were making improvements. So we will list just common changes (also not small list of couple pages!) which will include main changes and improvements without list of all the details (or we will write reade one more week http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

So, with the release of this patch we will look for the short respond and then will release add-on with the new planes and dedicated servers.

One more notice. We release it early than it can be placed on the Ubi site, so please arrange the mirrors for tomorrow somewhere. Or our own ftp will be overloaded as I think...

So if someone would like to help with the mirrors - contact me across known PF address - we will try to give the patch them before we will post common link here in this and general room.

Tooz_69GIAP
11-17-2004, 09:06 AM
Cooooool!!!! New map, new campaigns, bug fixes in the old ones, tweaks everywhere, and we're getting it tomorrow???

And we're getting new aircraft in a week????

Sweeeeeet!!!

KGr.HH-Sunburst
11-17-2004, 09:09 AM
Good news Oleg ,i cant wait http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

oh and all the best to the sick programmer

Miki40
11-17-2004, 09:13 AM
Now, that sound a lot more like the service we are used to get from you Oleg. Good decision , well done and thank you!

9th_Spitin
11-17-2004, 09:17 AM
Great news.......Is it Thursday yet?

Jambock__01
11-17-2004, 09:24 AM
Oleg, would you marry me? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Just kidding man, just kidding http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Thx Oleg http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

chn06
11-17-2004, 09:27 AM
Great!! Any words can't show our respect!!

http://www.ithammer.com/fans/face/6939.gif

VaporBlast
11-17-2004, 09:31 AM
What can I say...thank you Oleg !

UK_Jackal
11-17-2004, 10:10 AM
Hi Oleg, If your looking for any mirrors sites, I would love to add it to our current updates for pacific fighters.

Our Site is : Flying Legends (http://www.flying-legends.net)

Weve already got some patches hosted on our website.

If you would like for me to add this download to current resources then please email me.

codeseven7
11-17-2004, 10:17 AM
Mr.Maddox, unbelievable!,

"I think it is the best way for the current moment that to do not wait for another week (and maybe you'll find something more that to fix? )."

Your positive attitude and willingness to listen to us and continue to improve your products is unprecedented in the gaming industry sir.

"Fixes and improvemens list? It is simply impossible to list them all. I would say that the changes were applied to more than 200 modules of program where users found the bugs and where we ourselves were making improvements."

Folks, this guy and his team rocks! I'm speechless, seriously, outstanding support man! Thanks!!!

codeseven

triggerhappyfin
11-17-2004, 10:18 AM
Great solution on your problems with il coworkers and waiting community - hats off!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I wish for swift recovery for the sick and all of luck with the forthcoming patch working.

The patch tomorrow sure will be great and the wait for it long http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif.

foxfire1941
11-17-2004, 10:20 AM
Oleg & crew,

Thank you. You are the best . We appreciate your efforts to improve PF and FB. No other developer cares about his product more than you do. After you release the new planes patch, next week, you can get back to work on BOB, LOL.

Foxfire1941

WOLFMondo
11-17-2004, 10:21 AM
Thanks Oleg.

Capt._Tenneal
11-17-2004, 10:28 AM
Wow the size is 60 mb even WITHOUT the new aircraft, those must be a lot of fixes... sounds great !! Thanks Oleg.

Actually it is good you will release it in two parts. A 200 mb download might be too much for dial-up users. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Are campaign fixes affecting the older FB/AEP campaigns also ?

Aero_Shodanjo
11-17-2004, 10:30 AM
Great news and thanks Oleg. New flyables can wait a little longer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And here's hoping that the programmer to get better soon.

Btw, it's not something contagious isnt it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FI_Macca44
11-17-2004, 10:32 AM
Great news,Mr Maddox!Thx for the info!

RxMan
11-17-2004, 10:35 AM
SUPER, Many thanks.

MiszaNC
11-17-2004, 10:50 AM
Spasiba Oleg, Bolsze Spasiba MAAANNN!
Great news.

carguy_
11-17-2004, 11:11 AM
Very good choice Oleg!

I like the decision very much!

TheEngine88
11-17-2004, 11:38 AM
If true, this will be nice. Just hope we get new flyables before "two weeks"...

geetarman
11-17-2004, 11:48 AM
Thanks Oleg. Good man!

Fornixx
11-17-2004, 11:50 AM
Allright Oleg!
Thx a lot, you're the definition of customer service!!! This is going to be one great patch week!

S! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

x6BL_Brando
11-17-2004, 11:56 AM
Great news! Thank you for your continued support and improvements to your excellent series of sims.

<salute>

Brando

N9493K
11-17-2004, 12:11 PM
I have to admit it is great to a see such support for a product.

Even to go as far as what video drivers to recommend!

Good deal

Gato__Loco
11-17-2004, 12:13 PM
Wohooooooo!!!!!
Now that is the way to keep the community happy!!!

Kasdeya
11-17-2004, 12:15 PM
Thanks Oleg and Team!

To the programmers that are and have been ill, get well soon. Not for the patch, but for your own health. I never did like being sick, wouldnt guess anyone else would either.

Cheers.

unseen84
11-17-2004, 12:35 PM
This is great news. I hope tomorrow's patch includes some new ships as well as bug fixes, but anything is welcome at this point.

Loki-PF
11-17-2004, 12:36 PM
Oleg,

I am relatively new to this (your) community. I have been a gamer for years however. I can honestly say I HAVE NEVER ever experienced anything like this! To actually have updates from a game developer blows my mind. Not to mention the fact that you actually listen to us in the first place.

Thanks again Oleg! You are the greatest!

SKULLS_Exec01
11-17-2004, 12:39 PM
WAHOOO, Way to go Oleg!!!
What other developer goes this far?? NONE!!
Thanks Oleg

EJGrOst_Trantor
11-17-2004, 12:47 PM
We need the f***ing Dedicated Server now!and not next Month or so , sorry!

Greets

Trantor

Zentaurus
11-17-2004, 01:08 PM
R E S P E C T !!!

Thx,

II/JG54_Zent

BenQ-the-Hawk
11-17-2004, 01:12 PM
and what about the dedicated server?

EJGrOst_Trantor
11-17-2004, 01:20 PM
Why *Respect* ????

I paid 40" for the Game , on the Cover stands :

Over 40 flyable WWII fighters and bombers, a partial list includes: Aichi D3A1 Val, Bristol Beaufighter, Douglas A-20 Havoc, Douglas SBD Dauntless, Grumman F6F Hellcat, Kawasaki Ki-61 Tony, Mitsubishi A6M Zero, Mitsubishi G4M1 Betty, North American B-25 Mitchell, Supermarine Seafire and Vought F4U-1 Corsair.

1.Question

Where is the Betty ??

2.Multiplayer with 128 Players

Where is it??

And i can tell many more.

Greets

Trantor

VIKINGVIK2
11-17-2004, 01:26 PM
Thank you so much Oleg...Keep up this fantastic job You the BEST!!

p1ngu666
11-17-2004, 01:41 PM
128 is a moot point, imagine the loadin lag :S

betty in patch after this.

question is, will zero 5b get its 7.7mm in this patch or next http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

ill see if i can mirror the patch too

hope the guys are better soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

InyerEye
11-17-2004, 01:47 PM
Oleg,
You rock! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

AirBear
11-17-2004, 01:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EJGrOst_Trantor:
Why *Respect* ????

I paid 40" for the Game , on the Cover stands :

Over 40 flyable WWII fighters and bombers, a partial list includes: Aichi D3A1 Val, Bristol Beaufighter, Douglas A-20 Havoc, Douglas SBD Dauntless, Grumman F6F Hellcat, Kawasaki Ki-61 Tony, Mitsubishi A6M Zero, Mitsubishi G4M1 Betty, North American B-25 Mitchell, Supermarine Seafire and Vought F4U-1 Corsair.

1.Question

Where is the Betty ??

2.Multiplayer with 128 Players

Where is it??

And i can tell many more.

Greets

Trantor <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow,

Do you really need to be such an ungrateful stooge? They do have a pretty good reason for being behind don't you think. Perhaps you never get sick? Perhaps you need to learn to be a little more appreciative.

What an insufferable ***.

LEBillfish
11-17-2004, 01:53 PM
<span class="ev_code_RED">THIS IS TERRIBLE!!</span>

With so much, how will the whiners be able to come up with more to whine about?!

$40.00? You must be joking, if what we got in PF already was not worth 40, let alone adding FB&AEP with their now minor costs.....Then you need to get a reality check of what a good time costs, and one that gets you as much play time as this does....Well, find something else as much fun elsewhere for less.

tigertoo
11-17-2004, 02:03 PM
as expressed before, a very sincere thank you to you and the team
Tigertooo
Tangmere Pilots

KIMURA
11-17-2004, 02:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AirBear:
They do have a pretty good reason for being behind don't you think. Perhaps you never get sick? Perhaps you need to learn to be a little more appreciative.
What an insufferable ***. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Absolutely not agreed AirBear. 1C sells a product and I did buy. So there were things promised either through mechandising at several sites or on the game envelope itself which are not achieved til yet. So that a kind contract one side didn't fulfilled the contract agreements - easy that. If one of Oleg's crew members is sick or whatelse doesn't really interests me as a buyer. Oleg on the opposit side of that contract (with Oleg/Ubi) broke. Regardless of the price. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

TheGozr
11-17-2004, 02:23 PM
HAA great!
Hold down... Tomorrow in Russia is Today for the West coasters right? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SOme of us could host the file.
I can if i get it.

Ala11_Kal
11-17-2004, 02:34 PM
From my humble point of view:

1.- Oleg and Co. have developed with FB/AEP/PF the BEST WWII FLIGHT SIMULATION available so far.

2.- Oleg keeps us informed about their effort to improve the BEST WWII FLIGHT SIMULATION.

3.- Oleg is not UBI.

4.- I LOVE OLEG.

5.- I love OLEG and my wife. Glad I do not have to choose. Divorce is expensive. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

WTE_Konigwolf
11-17-2004, 02:42 PM
A very wise move to release the patch now instead of another week. There are many (myself included) who will now be able to play after waiting 2-3 weeks (from purchase), needless to say we didnt want to wait another "2 weeks".

Thank You

Konigwolf

PS - Thankyou for the MUCH better communication we have recieved since the release of PF as well

sapre
11-17-2004, 02:46 PM
Great news!!

crazyivan1970
11-17-2004, 02:55 PM
Some of you have alot of nerve... sad. Especially with post count = 1

Kimura, didn`t expect that from you either.

Udidtoo
11-17-2004, 03:04 PM
Ty for updating us Mr Maddox, S'

P.S. Some of you must be absolute joys for your poor families to Xmas shop for..........
......."" Whats this?? I'll bet its **** whatevers in the box.....HUH?? I have to unwrap it as well??. well thats *^%&&&^( you owe me better &^%&^%*&)(_^&""

Its a danged good things games don't load up based on appreciation and respect a lot of people here would be S.O.O.L

VMF223_Smitty
11-17-2004, 03:05 PM
Kimura, Trantor and cronies. If you feel you have been robbed or misinformed, take the freaking game back where you bought it and get your freaking money back. Then go play Sim City 3000 or something. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

DRB_DarkStar
11-17-2004, 03:08 PM
REALLY COOL STUFF -

M$ would NEVER Act Like This - now would they boys ?

A New Squad in the "OLEG" World is impressed with the whole thing -

Snoop_Baron
11-17-2004, 03:18 PM
Thanks Oleg for the patch, the hard work from you and your team and taking the time to communicate with your customers and your fans http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You continue to have my respect and admiration http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I hope your programmer gets better soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thanks!

Snoop

Capt.LoneRanger
11-17-2004, 03:21 PM
I still cannot understand why people whine, when they get something for free. And if you don't like it, don't buy it. It's really as easy as that.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Thanks for the ongoing support, Oleg & crew. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Your support for the community is still an example in many other game-forums! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Cannon68
11-17-2004, 03:27 PM
Thanks Oleg u da man!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

zOU5376
11-17-2004, 03:30 PM
\o/

I'm ;looking forward the addon with the dedicated server !!!

(this way my loyals wingman can play even without me actively hosting a server)

Waldo.Pepper
11-17-2004, 03:45 PM
May I also add my thanks to the pile.

EJGr.Ost_chamel
11-17-2004, 03:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Some of you have alot of nerve... sad. Especially with post count = 1

Kimura, didn`t expect that from you either. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looking at your post count, i know why you want to suggest, that post quality corresponds with the post count. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif But I do not agree with you, at that point. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

About the patch: I am glad, to get a patch tomorrow, but anyway it must be possible, to point out the differences between what was promised before the release and on the box, and what we don't have yet (and won't have tomorrow).

Greetings from Germany
EJGr.Ost_Chamel

plumps_
11-17-2004, 04:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Some of you have alot of nerve... sad. Especially with post count = 1
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't let the post count deceive you. It shows only your posts from the English forum. Go to the German or French forum and your own post count there will make you look like a complete NOOB in your own eyes.

crazyivan1970
11-17-2004, 04:14 PM
Both of you misunderstood me. It`s a common practice at this board when people afraid to create a bad name for themselfs and they post under new account, trust me i ban enough of those and all their multiple accounts too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. I have not yet seen a REAL newcommer with such a demanding attitude, if you know what i mean. All this just leaves bad taste in my mouth... but that just me.

plumps_
11-17-2004, 04:18 PM
You'd get used to that bad taste pretty soon if you'd read the German forum now and then ...

crazyivan1970
11-17-2004, 04:20 PM
i can only manage two languages plumps http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
11-17-2004, 04:25 PM
Support for the latest graphic drivers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Now thats GREAT news!!

=S=

NorrisMcWhirter
11-17-2004, 04:40 PM
Hi,

Consistency is the key...First of all we get an unfinished game...then an unfinished patch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Either way, it's news that is half good...and, presumably, completely good when the rest of the patch makes an appearance. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cheers,
Norris

crazyivan1970
11-17-2004, 04:55 PM
You know what cracks me up the most...speaking of consistency...

People say... Oleg, wait with all the planes, let`s get the big issues nailed down and get solid base, then include planes. Well it happened this time, issues are being addressed, planes will be added later, possible with few more fixes... Not good enough again. Let us have planes!!! Pretty consistent isn`t it?

Pancho74
11-17-2004, 05:02 PM
Thank you very, very much !!!!

And for you people that complain about PF, it's true, the game went to the shops, in my opinion, unfinished; BUT I never, never doubt about the excelent support that brings to us Mr. Oleg and crew. Thank you Oleg... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
( Sorry for my English )

Marcelo.

JG52Uther
11-17-2004, 05:05 PM
Some people will never be satisfied http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif.I love this whole series from the beginning (il-2)and,if i have any issues with it,would post here in an adult manner,and know that the actual developer of the game takes notice of what is said.Thanks Oleg,and i hope you know that the majority of people here DO appreciate your work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (yes i AM a fanboy)

TX Rahman
11-17-2004, 05:48 PM
Oleg,
Please see my PM and email to you regarding mirroring the patch. Thanks for the update!

Bull_dog_
11-17-2004, 05:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Some people will never be satisfied http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif.I love this whole series from the beginning (il-2)and,if i have any issues with it,would post here in an adult manner,and know that the actual developer of the game takes notice of what is said.Thanks Oleg,and i hope you know that the majority of people here DO appreciate your work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (yes i AM a fanboy) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How does it go... Some of the people can be satisfied all of the time but all of the people can never be satisfied even some of the time. There are those who want the fixes, those who want the planes, those who want both, those who don't give a rats a$$...and we'll hear from them all.

Personally, I'm really glad to see the change in the communications no matter what they say. I've been in management for many years now and I've learned that there is no pleasing everyone, only frustration and heartburn followed by insanity if you dare try it....but if you communicate openly and often, most of the people that mean anything to you will respect that even if they don't agree...agreed?

TheEngine88
11-17-2004, 05:55 PM
So, there are only two options here? Either prostrate yourself before Oleg & Co and crawl on your belly in supplication for the proper game patches which will deliver at least what is promised on the box, or you're a whiner?

Well, that's good to know.

AlmightyTallest
11-17-2004, 06:14 PM
Thanks for the updates and patches Oleg, I can't add much else to this post, but I'm not used to seeing a developer that listens so closely to the simming community, let alone one that constantly and consistantly attempts to improve on their own work.

Many thanks, rest assured I and my friends will certainly appreciate your efforts.

buz13
11-17-2004, 06:26 PM
Some developers deliver incomplete and or buggy products without saying a word and then drop off the map and are never heard from again...not too uncommon. Other developers either produced complete products (if anything is ever complete) or tell you when a product release is incomplete and then support the product and finish the jobs after initial release. I prefer the latter.....
So while reviews and others point out that PF is incomplete...I knew that going in...and I also knew that Oleg and company would complete it as promised...I'm very willing to have fun with the beta version as long as I know the finished product will be excellent and the developer will support it in great fashion...
"and that't the truth"....

MK2aw
11-17-2004, 07:15 PM
Ivan,

Most people if not 99% are happy!

Let us rejoice!

Mk2aw

Osirisx9
11-17-2004, 07:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EJGrOst_Trantor:
We need the f***ing Dedicated Server _now!_and not next Month or so , sorry!

Greets

Trantor <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Totally bad response Man. At least say thank you, unless you can do better. At least Oleg is standing by his product.

RAF238thOsiris

VMF223_Smitty
11-17-2004, 07:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheEngine88:
So, there are only two options here? Either prostrate yourself before Oleg & Co and crawl on your belly in supplication for the proper game patches which will deliver at least what is promised _on the box_, or you're a whiner?

Well, that's good to know. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or you can be a whining prostrating supplicant. Don't say that you haven't been given a choice.

Seriously. I have been with this sim since the beginning and Oleg delivers. If you don't know that already, stick around and you'll find out. Nobody is ever given everything they are promised "on the box".
We buy cars, clothing, electronics, food ad infinitum everyday. The Industrial/Manufacturing/Services industries all have a pitch, a gimmick, a promise, or endorsement to have you lay down your money. Some services and manufacturers care about what you think of their product and some only care about the bucks.
It's fact of life.
But you have options:

1. Explore avenues of satisfaction. For example if you go into a restaurant and don't like the food, do you start sceaming http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif at the owner demanding satisfaction, or do you call some one over and inquire about what can be done about your disappointment. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

2. Learn a lesson and wait until the "bugs' are out until you buy. It is no secret that new cars often have serious problems during the first year or so (or longer). Personally, I never buy anything that is "revolutionary" or new tech. I wait and read reviews http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

3. The obvious alternative. Don't buy from that source again and p_ss and moan http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif to everyone you know about how you were abused. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif When there are no raisens in your Raisen Bran, eat Corn Flakes.

Snootles
11-17-2004, 08:02 PM
"OMG WTF BBQ I CAENT LIEVIVE WITHOUUTY THEE NEW PLENES!3328493804 I WRANT MY BBETTEY NNOWWW!!!!!1111"

Seriously Oleg, good to hear from you. Sounds like a monster piece of code to work on. Sometimes you just have to ignore people who never can bring themselves to derive enjoyment from much of anything.

Jus' keep layin' down the funk.

Hunde_3.JG51
11-17-2004, 08:03 PM
Thanks for keeping us informed Oleg, and thanks for all of your (and your teams) hard work. I hope all is well.

Popey109
11-17-2004, 08:04 PM
Let them EAT CFS3!! I'll Take IL 2 FB+PF anyday anyway! cuse I know I'll get support http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Thanks Oleg and Team! stay well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The_Pharoah
11-17-2004, 08:21 PM
Hi Oleg

thanks for that m8. Just a question (apologies if its been answered somewhere else), whats happening with the dedicated server patch? Its just that merged PF as it stands is AWESOME but we need this to play on larger servers. Any idea?

clayman_52
11-17-2004, 08:22 PM
Ya ... it's always been about the support! The best ever!

This is great ... a patch then Turkey too!

Happy Holidays!!!

VW-IceFire
11-17-2004, 08:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
You know what cracks me up the most...speaking of consistency...

People say... Oleg, wait with all the planes, let`s get the big issues nailed down and get solid base, then include planes. Well it happened this time, issues are being addressed, planes will be added later, possible with few more fixes... Not good enough again. Let us have planes!!! Pretty consistent isn`t it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Some phrase about cake and eating it too comes to mind http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I look forward to anything http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jungmann
11-17-2004, 09:16 PM
A great creation is never finished. Thanks, Oleg.

dima1978
11-17-2004, 09:31 PM
Hello Oleg and the team!
I just want to thank you for your constant support of this and previous products. You guys get A+ for customer assistance and no one else is even close to you. And of course, thank you for the patch!!!

VF_29_Bulldog
11-17-2004, 10:29 PM
Sweet-Oleg, your professionalism and your willingness to help create a better product i swhat will keep me flying your sims for years to come.
Buuldog

AirBear
11-17-2004, 10:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AirBear:
They do have a pretty good reason for being behind don't you think. Perhaps you never get sick? Perhaps you need to learn to be a little more appreciative.
What an insufferable ***. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Absolutely not agreed AirBear. 1C sells a product and I did buy. So there were things promised either through mechandising at several sites or on the game envelope itself which are not achieved til yet. So that a kind contract one side didn't fulfilled the contract agreements - easy that. If one of Oleg's crew members is sick or whatelse doesn't really interests me as a buyer. Oleg on the opposit side of that contract (with Oleg/Ubi) broke. Regardless of the price. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You sound a lot like my son, unfortunately he's six. Stop whining about what you didn't get and what you deserve. Try showing a little gratitude once in a while, you'll enjoy life more.

Reaves_42
11-17-2004, 10:40 PM
Hmm some of these people remind me of something..
"But I want an ompah loompah NOW! DADDY!!!!"

Fanboy? no... I just have patience and trust that when Oleg says it's on it's way it really is. Will you complain when there are aircraft added that wasn't on the box? The only games I know of that add as many things as the Il-2 series AFTER release are pay to play...

VMF223_Anderson
11-17-2004, 11:01 PM
<S!>Oleg and crew,

As expected, nothing but the best.Keep it coming and I'll keep buying.

This forum is better than real TV. These clowns peeing on the fire are surely trying to put it out, sheeeesh. My boy is more mature.
I hear CFS3 is in the bargain racks now, get it and see if MS will reply to you just once if you find a glitch, I tried for 10 years of Flight Simulator.

Freycinet
11-17-2004, 11:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EJGrOst_Trantor:
We need the f***ing Dedicated Server _now!_and not next Month or so , sorry!

Greets

Trantor <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just stop reading postings after the f-word. If people need to shout that into my face, then they're not communicating with me anymore.

TSmoke
11-17-2004, 11:23 PM
~S~
It is boggles my mind to see how ignorant people can be. The support recieved with the IL-2 series is absouletly tremendous and unheard of, especially in the flight sim market. Like someone else posted try getting anything that comes close to support from M$.

The neh sayers and whiners will fall by the wayside where they belong. The overwhelming majority are pleased with the sim and the ongoing support.
The IL-2 series is the best and most complete flight sim bar none. Thank-you for your efforts and dedication.

LLv34_Flanker
11-17-2004, 11:45 PM
S!

Sure a good thing that we have the patch with fixes today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Maybe easens the wait for new planes etc. I really hope the bunch of fixes would address some things that haven't changed since first IL2. Shall see what happens, and no I won't go into them here, just waiting for the patch.

Oleg's support for his product has been great bar none but sometimes it really makes me wonder if he really can control his team of slipping in things that actually do not belong there. One prime example was the Yak-1b that had performance of Yak1M. Oleg said there is no error in that thing but after tracks and evidence he admitted there was a problem and that programmer had accidentally put the wrong data there..http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I can distinguish a ->B<- from ->M<- http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The patches improve this product a LOT but with some of the oldest things STILL remaining thus affecting especially online playing are taking it's toll and frustration levels are soon high enuf to make me quit flying or at least take a long break. Games are supposed to be fun, not making one throw things around the apartment and cause morbid thoughts against persons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

So bring on the patch and make my day, still over 7hrs work left and week is almost over...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Gr7_Bizu-RO
11-17-2004, 11:58 PM
I,m "patient" man..It,s 18 nov. allready 10 am in Russia..so were,s the patch?.........
..................
now it,s 10.04 ..were,s the patch?

pcpilot_MGG
11-18-2004, 12:05 AM
Ive been an IL2 fan since its 1st release. The reasons are obvious to those that look and listen. Oleg has proven himself honest and attentive to his customers. His product is the best since its inception and still is at present. The problem with some people on this forum is a lack of maturity and patience. If you can do better at anything and actually please everyone, lets see it. Otherwise STFU. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Oleg, well done pal on an outstanding product. Love it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Gr7_Bizu-RO
11-18-2004, 12:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pcpilot_MGG:
Ive been an IL2 fan since its 1st release. The reasons are obvious to those that look and listen. Oleg has proven himself honest and attentive to his customers. His product is the best since its inception and still is at present. The problem with some people on this forum is a lack of maturity and patience. If you can do better at anything and actually please everyone, lets see it. Otherwise STFU. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Oleg, well done pal on an outstanding product. Love it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif Petty u cant see ur nose anymore..it,s been showed in someones rear end so deep it,s obnoxious..My post was a joke, un know like.. funny?

Freycinet
11-18-2004, 01:06 AM
Last two postings: "STFU", "Nose in sbdy's @rse".... - the kids are really out in force today, huh? - Where are parents when you need them!

EJGrOst_Trantor
11-18-2004, 01:47 AM
I know the posting with the "f"-word was wrong and i am sorry about that.
And no cool down please , or is criticism not allowed in this Forum?

Greets

Trantor

ImpStarDuece
11-18-2004, 02:07 AM
Strange but true... I dont even HAVE PF yet but i very, very happy that the first patch is released.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
WHY?

1) Less patch whining. This is always a good thing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif "When is patch due?" threads are the internet equavilent of "are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet?" that i used to inflict on my parents on long car journeys.

2) Less bug whining. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif "Oh my GOD!!! Oleg LOOK AT THIS!! The tyres on my Zero are inflated to the incorrect pressure. The Zero is porked!!! Fix it immediately or i'll never play any UBI game, EVER. I really mean it, i'm serious this time. Are you listening to me. Oleg, Oleg?

3) More concentration on important issues. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Like plane FMS and DMs and anything major that HAS been left out and we should get the community behind to support. Things that matter to people that play this as a sim. When people have the patch to look foward to, their own pet peeves to keep them occupied and a new game to settle into, sometimes the forest gets missed for all the shiny, new, carrier-borne trees.

4) When i do manage to get my sweaty, RSI ridden hands on PF, guess what? It will be rock stead, pretty much bug free and more fun than farting in an elevator. THEN i can play it, turn into an instant know it all about an obscure carrier and its squadrons and happily spam all over the forums about my particular flattop not being in the game. How much fun is THAT! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hawk_22GCT
11-18-2004, 02:15 AM
Mr. Maddox, we will be happy for accommodating the new patch on our web site: www.22gct.it (http://www.22gct.it) , we can carry out the mirror through port (the HTTP).
If for she he goes well, can contact me to my email hawk@22gct.it .

Best Regards!!

TheGozr
11-18-2004, 02:17 AM
PF address ?????

gozr@speakeasy.net

Roast
11-18-2004, 02:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freycinet:

I just stop reading postings after the f-word. If people need to shout that into my face, then they're not communicating with me anymore. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just a thought: maybe they are using your name as an f-word? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But seriouysly, I think you are right. And such ranting doesn't add anything to what they're [trying to] say anyway.

Roast

WUAF_Badsight
11-18-2004, 03:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
bla bla bla . . . . free stuff . . . . more content . . . . . more FMB options . . . . 200+ fixes . . . . better working EXE . . . . better ship AAA . . . . . bla bla bla <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
i sure see a reason to post in the negative here

WUAF_Badsight
11-18-2004, 03:24 AM
with an announcement like that , the only fair reply is . . . . COOL!

ElAurens
11-18-2004, 04:48 AM
I totally agree Badsight. Sometimes I really wonder about the average age of owners of this series.

Comments like we are seeing in here really belong on the Halo discussion boards...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Philipscdrw
11-18-2004, 04:53 AM
Yeah, lets move over to Halo boards en masse and all post at once "Why won't Halo 2 work on my PC?? Micro$oft S*** A**."

Gr7_Bizu-RO
11-18-2004, 05:06 AM
were ,s the patch?

oFZo
11-18-2004, 05:14 AM
yeah, I'm patient and everything too, but it was announced for today and the game updates section still says "coming soon" ....
I don't mind waiting, but it was announced.

VOL_Mountain
11-18-2004, 05:23 AM
~Salute~

I'm very anxiously checking DL's before I head off to work....guess I'll have the luxury of getting the file when I return home tonight.

Thanks Oleg!

Firebird_79vRAF
11-18-2004, 05:48 AM
Mr. Maddox

My squad has recently converted to the IL2 world and we couldnt be more impressed with just how good these flight sims are.

Your level of commitment to your customers and your product is second to none.

Thank you

Willey
11-18-2004, 05:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
You know what cracks me up the most...speaking of consistency...

People say... Oleg, wait with all the planes, let`s get the big issues nailed down and get solid base, then include planes. Well it happened this time, issues are being addressed, planes will be added later, possible with few more fixes... Not good enough again. Let us have planes!!! Pretty consistent isn`t it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like it better this way - but - we still wait for the planes that should have been in the box, that are not because of disk space. That's not another new planes which have been finished after the release. But nevertheless I'm gald to get the patch now. Otherwise we'd have it in 2 weeks or so with the planes. Now we have it today (I hope so, it's almost 4 o'clock already in Moscow) and the planes, well, in 2 weeks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .
Major drawback is the lack of the dedicated server. Oleg says it would be easier to just make a big one for the new planes version and upgrade later. Why not make it 3.01m and add those 3 planes in a server upgrade, too? That's not another 500MB, but maybe 50MB.

TheEngine88
11-18-2004, 06:01 AM
I'm very excited about the patch and I love Il-2 and its follow-ons, or i wouldn't have spent the money.

My point is, if I told my boss I'd have a project finished "next week", and 13 days later I still hadn't produced, I'd be out of a job. I suppose some people on these boards (read: sycophants) just have lower standards.

Atomic_Marten
11-18-2004, 06:07 AM
This is good news in any case. I especially am looking forward to improved AI.

Da_Godfatha
11-18-2004, 06:21 AM
This thread is the reason why I very rarely post here. One group screams "gimme, gimme", one group says "Bow down to the great Maddox and be a blind Fanboi n00b!" and a very small group points out the packaging does not jive with the product. My package says a flyable Betty, none on the CD. Yes, Yes fanboi`s, I read the post were Mr. Maddox says it will be released shortly after PF is in the store. But what about the people who bought this product and they do not have a internet connection? Some would say it is a rip-off.
Yes, 1C does the BEST support of any programmers out there, but that is not the subject here. I have seen no one demand or ask for anything for "Free", they just want what they payed for. Flight Sims are said to be a dying genre, so I ask you, the members of the community, How many new fans do you think we will get when at least the game does not have in it as what the box suggests? Not very many.
If Mr. Maddox and 1C says they will give me a new plane in the next patch/addon, well thats just fine. But they need to then deliver, remember the patch that was supposed to have a flyable Hawk 75/P-36? Still not here. I for one am always glad for a new plane every few months.
Now to the Wannabe's who say "take it back if you don't like it" or the very intelligent "STFU, you don't deserve anything", I say this, you give the Community and your Squadrons (it is sad to say, most of these wannbe's have a squadron Tag) a very bad name.

And Mr. CrazyIvan, to equate the number of posts to value of someones answer is, IMHO, very wrong. A lot of members here have thousands of post, but some are just the "Smiley" or "LOL" posts.
Again, this is just my own opinion. I said in a previous post, I think WE all should maybe lighten up a little.

Thank You Mr. Maddox and the 1C Team for your hard work so far.

AFJ_Locust
11-18-2004, 06:26 AM
PATCH ???

I DONT SEE NO PATCH http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

NegativeGee
11-18-2004, 06:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheEngine88:
My point is, if I told my boss I'd have a project finished "next week", and 13 days later I still hadn't produced, I'd be out of a job. I suppose some people on these boards (read: sycophants) just have lower standards. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then again, what would you do if your boss (Ubi) unexpectedly brought your deadline forward by three months at short notice?

I think some people on these boards would make complete b*stards as managers, as they don't seem turned onto reality, and only choose to see deadlines and ignore circumstances.


Cheers for the update Oleg & Co. it will be well recieved http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

TheEngine88
11-18-2004, 06:41 AM
"Tuned into reality". LMAO!

I'd love a job where I could miss my deadline by a minimum of 13 days, and have people grovel at my feet and tell me how great I am!

Oleg and company work for the consumers, not the other way around. Welcome to capitalism. I've enjoyed all of Maddox's products, and have spent a good sum of money on them. But PF is a work in progress. It is not complete, and is therfore not delivering what was promised. That is reality. If you choose to be a psycophant, that's your business, but don't presume to lecture me about "reality.

sapre
11-18-2004, 06:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:
This thread is the reason why I very rarely post here. One group screams "gimme, gimme", one group says "Bow down to the great Maddox and be a blind Fanboi n00b!" and a very small group points out the packaging does not jive with the product. My package says a flyable Betty, none on the CD. Yes, Yes fanboi`s, I read the post were Mr. Maddox says it will be released shortly after PF is in the store. But what about the people who bought this product and they do not have a internet connection? Some would say it is a rip-off.
Yes, 1C does the BEST support of any programmers out there, but that is not the subject here. I have seen no one demand or ask for anything for "Free", they just want what they payed for. Flight Sims are said to be a dying genre, so I ask you, the members of the community, How many new fans do you think we will get when at least the game does not have in it as what the box suggests? Not very many.
If Mr. Maddox and 1C says they will give me a new plane in the next patch/addon, well thats just fine. But they need to then deliver, remember the patch that was supposed to have a flyable Hawk 75/P-36? Still not here. I for one am always glad for a new plane every few months.
Now to the Wannabe's who say "take it back if you don't like it" or the very intelligent "STFU, you don't deserve anything", I say this, you give the Community and your Squadrons (it is sad to say, most of these wannbe's have a squadron Tag) a very bad name.

And Mr. CrazyIvan, to equate the number of posts to value of someones answer is, IMHO, very wrong. A lot of members here have thousands of post, but some are just the "Smiley" or "LOL" posts.
Again, this is just my own opinion. I said in a previous post, I think WE all should maybe lighten up a little.

Thank You Mr. Maddox and the 1C Team for your hard work so far. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ahh, you know, I think there is very few or alomost none number of people who buys this sim and not having a internodet connection.

oFZo
11-18-2004, 06:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:
This thread is the reason why I very rarely post here. One group screams "gimme, gimme", one group says "Bow down to the great Maddox and be a blind Fanboi n00b!" and a very small group points out the packaging does not jive with the product. My package says a flyable Betty, none on the CD. Yes, Yes fanboi`s, I read the post were Mr. Maddox says it will be released shortly after PF is in the store. But what about the people who bought this product and they do not have a internet connection? Some would say it is a rip-off.
Yes, 1C does the BEST support of any programmers out there, but that is not the subject here. I have seen no one demand or ask for anything for "Free", they just want what they payed for. Flight Sims are said to be a dying genre, so I ask you, the members of the community, How many new fans do you think we will get when at least the game does not have in it as what the box suggests? Not very many.
If Mr. Maddox and 1C says they will give me a new plane in the next patch/addon, well thats just fine. But they need to then deliver, remember the patch that was supposed to have a flyable Hawk 75/P-36? Still not here. I for one am always glad for a new plane every few months.
Now to the Wannabe's who say "take it back if you don't like it" or the very intelligent "STFU, you don't deserve anything", I say this, you give the Community and your Squadrons (it is sad to say, most of these wannbe's have a squadron Tag) a very bad name.

And Mr. CrazyIvan, to equate the number of posts to value of someones answer is, IMHO, very wrong. A lot of members here have thousands of post, but some are just the "Smiley" or "LOL" posts.
Again, this is just my own opinion. I said in a previous post, I think WE all should maybe lighten up a little.

Thank You Mr. Maddox and the 1C Team for your hard work so far. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This medium (just typing) can make it hard to convey a point effectively. Things seem more black and white because people fail to mention things that probably would come up in conversation. Too much typing needed to do it right.
You have good points, especially the part about not everybody being able to DL patches.
Your point about postcounts is valid, I'm sure there's a load of smileys and LOLs in my 4000+ posts. The date someone registered says more than postcount, though still not much.
I don't think 1C is to blame, IMHO the people at UBI are the greedy bastards who pushed a game out that wasn't finished yet.
I was disappointed I didn't get the whole game yet, I'm happy I got at least some of it. I'm pretty sure things will be right soon, with a lot more added than promised.
I've bought too many expensive crappy (ported?) games to get all revved up over missing stuff in this great sim. As others have pointed out $60 is cheap for hours and hours of fun, a night out usually costs twice as much. (No, I'm not rich. At all.) Call me a "fanboy" for all I care, yes I'm a fan of Mr Maddox and his team, UBI is pissing me off.

AWL_Spinner
11-18-2004, 06:56 AM
The IL2 line as a whole is a living breathing work in progress, anyone who's been around for more than one release understands that and anyone who doesn't stick around long enough well, their loss. That's why we now have 1000% more than we did when the first IL2 came out; it's great to be a part of. Battle Of Britain will be no different and all the better for it.

You obviously don't work in IT TheEngine88, my organisation as a whole regularly misses deadlines by months if not years, it's called "slippage". That's just the way things work with technology!

Cheers, Spinner

Vengeanze
11-18-2004, 07:01 AM
Today at work we had this hug-a-customer day.
I wasn't attending. Not my divison. But 5 minutes before they closed I went there together with a friend cause we knew they had some free candy.
Man, did we stuff ourself with candy and cookies.
It was a real treat.
I took an apple too just so that I'd feel good...and because tonite is rehearsal nite so I won't get any dinner (just beer).

Anyway, this weekend I gonna build a nice rack for my computer. Both this "tray" so I can access all em ports on the frontside too.
This excites me alot.

Well, thanks for now. I gonna go have a smoke and then call a customer so I can call it a working-day. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VMF223_Smitty
11-18-2004, 07:01 AM
A very good mixture of http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif and http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

TacticalYak3
11-18-2004, 07:01 AM
Firstly, I actually read, or at least skimmed, these six pages of posts [note to self: get a better hobby].

Ok, where to start? Of course I€m very happy that the first patch (of several I suspect) is supposed to be released today. However, I can see the issue from both sides of the table.

On one hand, we do have a unique situation with Maddox. Not only are they producing a game with a very high degree of detail and attention that really appeals to us, but we have the charm of its developer (Oleg) willing to occasionally communicate to us directly, and that with his broken English that has become an endearing trademark and unique manner of authenticating his posts.

If the pressures of Maddox gaming studio is anything like Electronic Arts, I€m sure there€s a lot of pressure for these guys in meeting UBI€s release deadline €" which was messed up again (should have been a world-wide release but whatever).

A lot of folks have a fondness for Oleg given his obviously love and dedication to IL-2 and the community associated with the series. That€s cool.

My experience with other games is that none are being released nowadays without bugs, and sometimes very serious bugs at that. Probably a reality that will plague the gaming industry given the ever growing demand of gamers wanting the €œnext big thing,€ and by publishers competing with other companies attempting to satisfy this need first.

There are several types of folks on these boards that has developed the UBI community into what it is presently:

" A vocal minority that are never satisfied with the details of the game. They are either very, very serious WW2 aviation folks who expectations are not realistic, or people who enjoy never being happy about anything, and this game is just another opportunity to express their caustic personality to others. You will often see these guys taking personal attacks on other posters.

" There are the fanboys who support the game to such a degree that even if it didn€t install they would argue that€s our fault and we should consider going elsewhere for our gaming interests. Whatever!

" Then, finally, the silent majority who really enjoy the IL-2 series, appreciate Oleg and his crew for all their hard work, but will and do expect realistic things like timely patches for bugs, and yes, even additional content if it has been advertised and/or promised. And by the way, all major publishers release patches to resolve gameplay issues €" this isn€t special treatment as some would have us believe.

So that leaves us with Pacific Fighters. It is clear to me from my own experience, and that of many other fans of the IL-2 series, that PF has gameplay issues above and beyond that of just some minor problems with details. The release of a patch so quickly after its initial release supports this position in my view. Everywhere I travel on the Net, I see fans reluctantly expressing their gripes about PF. I see even popular servers like War Clouds returning to the Western theatre only after a short time hosting the PF theatre.

What is unnerving to some is that in light of all this we cannot admit openly that PF needs this patch (and probably several more) without individuals being personally attacked for expressing their present disappointment about a whole host of gameplay issues.

Anyway, today the patch will hopefully resolve a number of these issues, enough so that I can start enjoying some campaigns.

Regards,
TacticalS!

TheEngine88
11-18-2004, 07:02 AM
"You obviously don't work in IT TheEngine88, my organisation as a whole regularly misses deadlines by months if not years, it's called "slippage". That's just the way things work with technology!"

I'll take your word for that, AWL_Spinner; I work for a defense contractor, but not in IT. We aren't allowed that kind of slippage, I'm afraid. Not without a sizeable monetary penalty, at least.

BTW, the patch isn't out yet.

VMF223_Smitty
11-18-2004, 07:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
Firstly, I actually read, or at least skimmed, these six pages of posts [note to self: get a better hobby].

Ok, where to start? Of course I€m very happy that the first patch (of several I suspect) is supposed to be released today. However, I can see the issue from both sides of the table.

On one hand, we do have a unique situation with Maddox. Not only are they producing a game with a very high degree of detail and attention that really appeals to us, but we have the charm of its developer (Oleg) willing to occasionally communicate to us directly, and that with his broken English that has become an endearing trademark and unique manner of authenticating his posts.

If the pressures of Maddox gaming studio is anything like Electronic Arts, I€m sure there€s a lot of pressure for these guys in meeting UBI€s release deadline €" which was messed up again (should have been a world-wide release but whatever).

A lot of folks have a fondness for Oleg given his obviously love and dedication to IL-2 and the community associated with the series. That€s cool.

My experience with other games is that none are being released nowadays without bugs, and sometimes very serious bugs at that. Probably a reality that will plague the gaming industry given the ever growing demand of gamers wanting the €œnext big thing,€ and by publishers competing with other companies attempting to satisfy this need first.

There are several types of folks on these boards that has developed the UBI community into what it is presently:

" A vocal minority that are never satisfied with the details of the game. They are either very, very serious WW2 aviation folks who expectations are not realistic, or people who enjoy never being happy about anything, and this game is just another opportunity to express their caustic personality to others. You will often see these guys taking personal attacks on other posters.

" There are the fanboys who support the game to such a degree that even if it didn€t install they would argue that€s our fault and we should consider going elsewhere for our gaming interests. Whatever!

" Then, finally, the silent majority who really enjoy the IL-2 series, appreciate Oleg and his crew for all their hard work, but will and do expect realistic things like timely patches for bugs, and yes, even additional content if it has been advertised and/or promised. And by the way, all major publishers release patches to resolve gameplay issues €" this isn€t special treatment as some would have us believe.

So that leaves us with Pacific Fighters. It is clear to me from my own experience, and that of many other fans of the IL-2 series, that PF has gameplay issues above and beyond that of just some minor problems with details. The release of a patch so quickly after its initial release supports this position in my view. Everywhere I travel on the Net, I see fans reluctantly expressing their gripes about PF. I see even popular servers like War Clouds returning to the Western theatre only after a short time hosting the PF theatre.

What is unnerving to some is that in light of all this we cannot admit openly that PF needs this patch (and probably several more) without individuals being personally attacked for expressing their present disappointment about a whole host of gameplay issues.

Anyway, today the patch will hopefully resolve a number of these issues, enough so that I can start enjoying some campaigns.

Regards,
TacticalS! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ahhhhhh. The voice of reason. Thanks TacticalS

Vengeanze
11-18-2004, 07:20 AM
My mom always said: life is like a box of chocolate - you never know what you're gonna get.

http://www.chocolatetrading.co.uk/images/thumbnails/CTMB15.CLOSED.gif

jimmie_T
11-18-2004, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by TheEngine88:
"You obviously don't work in IT TheEngine88, my organisation as a whole regularly misses deadlines by months if not years, it's called "slippage". That's just the way things work with technology!"

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif said before I say.

AWL_Spinner
11-18-2004, 07:27 AM
Look how far the release date for HalfLife 2 slipped, whether you believe the stolen code story or not. That game is GUARENTEED sales so they have no problem with slipping it for a year, the publisher isn't (under any circumstances) going to pull the plug on that cash cow. This gives them as much time as they want to polish the thing as much as practical.

Not so the Flight Sim, they're on a commercial tightrope anyway, look how quickly UBI pulled out from the Lock On franchise.

Get 'em on the shelves, patch 'em later. I agree that it's not satisfactory and a lot of the community (and probably Oleg and co. too) would just rather the release for PF was slipped two months to allow the inclusion of the first round of patch content. For whatever (commercial) reason this wasn't an option, so we have to make the best we can of it, KNOWING it'll get improved upon. We get a few weeks to get familiar with carrier ops, if nothing else. Many may feel like they're beta testers and this is probably broadly accurate, over the time frames we're talking. Look how much stronger the product line is as a result, Oleg's always got something to tinker with.

I appreciate new community members won't KNOW this and may get disillusioned and maybe leave and that's sad, but I'd think anyone who has the gumption to read these forums would probably stick around out of curiousity. Where are they going to run back to anyway, CFS3?

This franchise may always be in need of a patch, but at least there's always one coming. What have we had, major upgrade and new content every six months or so for the last three or four years? Always something to look forward to... always plenty to talk about...

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers, Spinner

NegativeGee
11-18-2004, 07:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheEngine88:
"Tuned into reality". LMAO!

I'd love a job where I could miss my deadline by a minimum of 13 days, and have people grovel at my feet and tell me how great I am!

Oleg and company work for the consumers, not the other way around. Welcome to capitalism. I've enjoyed all of Maddox's products, and have spent a good sum of money on them. But PF is a work in progress. It is not complete, and is therfore not delivering what was promised. _That_ is reality. If you choose to be a psycophant, that's your business, but don't presume to lecture me about "reality. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I could respond by saying you are an ignoramus who chooses to see only what they feel suits their opinion. Well, as you are posting in a public forum, you should expect a lecture, especially when you make claims that are different to what other people know. So who do you think calls the shots here as to when and in what form PF was released, Ubi or 1C? I'll leave you to think that over http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

-HH-Quazi
11-18-2004, 07:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
Firstly, I actually read, or at least skimmed, these six pages of posts [note to self: get a better hobby].

Ok, where to start? Of course I€m very happy that the first patch (of several I suspect) is supposed to be released today. However, I can see the issue from both sides of the table.

On one hand, we do have a unique situation with Maddox. Not only are they producing a game with a very high degree of detail and attention that really appeals to us, but we have the charm of its developer (Oleg) willing to occasionally communicate to us directly, and that with his broken English that has become an endearing trademark and unique manner of authenticating his posts.

If the pressures of Maddox gaming studio is anything like Electronic Arts, I€m sure there€s a lot of pressure for these guys in meeting UBI€s release deadline €" which was messed up again (should have been a world-wide release but whatever).

A lot of folks have a fondness for Oleg given his obviously love and dedication to IL-2 and the community associated with the series. That€s cool.

My experience with other games is that none are being released nowadays without bugs, and sometimes very serious bugs at that. Probably a reality that will plague the gaming industry given the ever growing demand of gamers wanting the €œnext big thing,€ and by publishers competing with other companies attempting to satisfy this need first.

There are several types of folks on these boards that has developed the UBI community into what it is presently:

" A vocal minority that are never satisfied with the details of the game. They are either very, very serious WW2 aviation folks who expectations are not realistic, or people who enjoy never being happy about anything, and this game is just another opportunity to express their caustic personality to others. You will often see these guys taking personal attacks on other posters.

" There are the fanboys who support the game to such a degree that even if it didn€t install they would argue that€s our fault and we should consider going elsewhere for our gaming interests. Whatever!

" Then, finally, the silent majority who really enjoy the IL-2 series, appreciate Oleg and his crew for all their hard work, but will and do expect realistic things like timely patches for bugs, and yes, even additional content if it has been advertised and/or promised. And by the way, all major publishers release patches to resolve gameplay issues €" this isn€t special treatment as some would have us believe.

So that leaves us with Pacific Fighters. It is clear to me from my own experience, and that of many other fans of the IL-2 series, that PF has gameplay issues above and beyond that of just some minor problems with details. The release of a patch so quickly after its initial release supports this position in my view. Everywhere I travel on the Net, I see fans reluctantly expressing their gripes about PF. I see even popular servers like War Clouds returning to the Western theatre only after a short time hosting the PF theatre.

What is unnerving to some is that in light of all this we cannot admit openly that PF needs this patch (and probably several more) without individuals being personally attacked for expressing their present disappointment about a whole host of gameplay issues.

Anyway, today the patch will hopefully resolve a number of these issues, enough so that I can start enjoying some campaigns.

Regards,
TacticalS! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hear, hear! Well put m8. I wish I could have worded it like that.

Frequent_Flyer
11-18-2004, 07:49 AM
I believe most people that are employed in a occupation that deals in time sensative products/services understand reaistically it is rare if ever that a project is done on time and absolutly complete, in fact i'd say their mutually exclusive. I work in a profession where we are audited internally and externally baseon time and exactness. We're happy to pass much less be perfect!!!!!

Targ
11-18-2004, 08:05 AM
Do some of you have no concept of the word gratitude?
Oleg and Co. have given the flight sim community so much more than what has been "promised" in IL2, FB and AEP. It is obvious to many that Maddox games has given much more than they have needed to. We shall see the same in Pacific fighters.
How sad it is to read some of your responses.

TheEngine88
11-18-2004, 08:14 AM
Call me what you will, NegativeGee, but rhetorical, pedantic mouthings of the party line are no substitution for an analysis of the facts.

BTW, is the patch out yet?

NegativeGee
11-18-2004, 08:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheEngine88:
Call me what you will, NegativeGee, but rhetorical, pedantic mouthings of the party line are no substitution for an analysis of the facts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I chose to respond in the style of your comments, so you only have yourself to blame there.

Anyway, you claim to be in possession of the facts! can you list them please?

Targ
11-18-2004, 08:25 AM
Just ignore this person he has no facts, just his opinion.

AWL_Spinner
11-18-2004, 08:29 AM
Updates usually appear on the UBI site between 4 and 5pm GMT, that's a while yet. I doubt very much Oleg has any control over this.

Which, no doubt, is cause for much irritation to those that think their 24.99 means Oleg must personally hand deliver a gold disc with "patch" embossed in platinum to their place of residence.

Cheers, Spinner

Equilizer
11-18-2004, 08:31 AM
He should also give me a sponge bath and shine my shoes.

TheEngine88
11-18-2004, 08:32 AM
Here are some facts:

10/27/04: Pacific Fighters ships to U.S. with patch €œto follow soon€.
11/05/04: €œLetter From Oleg€ posted, delaying patch, but promising it €œnext week€.
11/17/04: Oleg announces release of of the patch €œtomorrow morning€.
11/18/04: 1031 U.S>.Easten time, and the patch is.....?

Now if this sits fine with you, so be it. But that in no way shape or form requires me to have the same opinion you do, and, frankly, i can't for the life of me see why you are so threatened by my opinion on this matter.

B16Enk
11-18-2004, 08:32 AM
As said elsewhere in this thread.

We have heard from the developer in person (well the chief honcho anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) and that is a rarity in the entertainment software industry.

Thanks for the update Oleg http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and I too am Ok with the way it is being handled, think of it as a sort of public beta - he has promised to look at and rectify any new or unresolved bugs.

And if you want to call me a fan boy, I don't have a problem with that. It's one of the reasons why I continue to support the sim and the community http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
11-18-2004, 08:34 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I still don't understand how people can whine, post BravoSierra like that and even demand things, when they are being offered something for free.

Okay, I've been around to see this happen again and again, but it still shockes me everytime.

I'm all against violence against children, but some here are a good example against anti-authoritarian-education.

TheEngine88
11-18-2004, 08:37 AM
LoneRanger; You may have gotten you PF for free, but i paid for mine, and didn't get what was advertised.

Does this make it horrible? Not at all. Does it make Oleg & crew incompetent? No again. I simply would expect what I was paying for. hardly sounds unreasonable to me...

GC25Redstar
11-18-2004, 08:46 AM
Hello http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Where is the patch ?? i didn't see nothing for the moment ?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

wuggle85
11-18-2004, 08:47 AM
hey oleg great news about the patch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
but what gets me is the whinners complaining that some aircraft wernt in the game but are said on the box, their coming in a patch so just relax & stop moaning like children.

firehttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gifstarter

PE_Tigar
11-18-2004, 08:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheEngine88:
Here are some facts:

10/27/04: Pacific Fighters ships to U.S. with patch €œto follow soon€.
11/05/04: €œLetter From Oleg€ posted, delaying patch, but promising it €œnext week€.
11/17/04: Oleg announces release of of the patch €œtomorrow morning€.
11/18/04: 1031 U.S>.Easten time, and the patch is.....?

Now if this sits fine with you, so be it. But that in no way shape or form requires me to have the same opinion you do, and, frankly, i can't for the life of me see why you are so threatened by my opinion on this matter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Either way, you're either supposed to be in school or at work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. If not, well, find something better to do with your time than whining here. Like playing PF as it is, it's great fun, believe me.

TacticalYak3
11-18-2004, 08:54 AM
OK mates, time for a group hug methinks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Hey, c'mon guys, that's a bear hug you have on poor TheEngine88. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Mjollnir111675
11-18-2004, 08:54 AM
I'm tellin ya all this talk of business practices is gonna warrant an over anxious power trippin' forum mod to break out some:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/873935/ubithreadlock.jpg


Anyways "C'mon Patch!!"

Targ
11-18-2004, 08:57 AM
Ok, we have all voiced our opinion and anything further is redundant.
The debate in this thread ends right here. Take it up in another thread or another forum please,
thank you.

-HH-Quazi
11-18-2004, 09:11 AM
Released finished. Released unfinished. Makes no difference to me because I have enough history with this sim to know that whatever is missing or buggy will be addressed and fixed. And at the same time, I am enjoying flying online with my m8's through direct connect plus an online dynamic campaign and an offline campaign. And that's not to mention the excellent missions my squad mates are creating in the FMB. If nothing else was done to address the bugs or ac that aren't in the sim now, it is still the best $40 I have spent since I bought IL2 Sturmovik, IL2 Forgotten Battles, and Aces Expansion Pack. Throw BOE in there to.

But the truth of the matter is, in the end we will not only get the ac promised and the bugs fixed, but probably a few freebies that wasn't promised, just as Oleg did for us with Forgotten Battles.

For those of you new to Oleg Maddox and 1C, you will eventually understand why so many here take offense at throwing bs at Oleg and crew. And if you can't or don't want to acknowledge the fact that the majority here stand behind Oleg and the 1C crew, CFS3 and Microsoft would love to have you back.

oFZo
11-18-2004, 09:15 AM
IBTL? IATL?

Targ
11-18-2004, 09:16 AM
No need to lock this, yet.

Miki40
11-18-2004, 09:18 AM
Well ?.It`s getting dark here in UK...

Mjollnir111675
11-18-2004, 09:19 AM
Just remember the golden rule:

A Lil Dabbledoo Ya! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

oFZo
11-18-2004, 09:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Targ:
No need to lock this, yet. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Targ:

The debate in this thread ends right here. Take it up in another thread or another forum please,
thank you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

?

Targ
11-18-2004, 09:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by oFZo:

? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

?

oFZo
11-18-2004, 09:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Targ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by oFZo:

? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Alright, I'll use some more symbols, this time combined to form words, to explain what I mean:

You said: "The debate in this thread ends right here. Take it up in another thread or another forum please,
thank you."

I wondered why you hadn't locked it yet, and expressed my wonder by means of the abbreviations IBTL and IATL, followed by a questionmark. Later in this thread you said: "no need to lock this, yet", while your previous comment implied you thought this was the case (the case being: locking).

Clear? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Mjollnir111675
11-18-2004, 09:32 AM
@ oFZo,

You see he is tryin to get all opinions to another post so they can just lock that one.They dont want to lock this one because there are still more ppl who will say thank you and fan boys to kiss ..well we all know what.
And if you see his clever remark he clearly plays poker cuz he raised you your "?".

Targ
11-18-2004, 09:36 AM
Hey oFZo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Long time no see.
I have no intention of locking this thread, sorry for the confusion.
I was talking about a debate that was getting personal in this thread, That topic is dead.

oFZo
11-18-2004, 09:42 AM
Hey Targ, been a while indeed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Sometimes a little (over)heated discussion is good, that's what you get when people voice their opnion instead of "being nice at all costs".

Da_Godfatha
11-18-2004, 09:44 AM
Excuse me Mr. Targ, why was my last post deleted?

TheEngine88
11-18-2004, 09:48 AM
My last post was deleted, too, but I suppose I don't mind. It was kind of a shot. As long as its not one-sided, I can live with it.

NorrisMcWhirter
11-18-2004, 09:49 AM
Hi,

I don't know what you are apologising for, Engine - you've done nothing wrong except to simply point out what you (and I) believe to be a problem.

Of course, we all except that Oleg will pull one out of the bag to make up for it but it doesn't change the fact that PF was not finished and the claim that the patch would be out at the 'same time as the game' was patently not true.

No one is whining; they are just saying what they see as the facts..and they are facts.

I think people fail to consider one important point and that is that not everyone has been with this title for as long as 'we' have. I've said this before but how many people haven't bothered to stick about and have returned their game to the shop and purchased something else instead.

'Their loss' or 'well, they can go and play Crimson skies', you might be thinking whilst patting yourself on the back for a good put-down but it isn't 'their loss'...this is to the detriment of all of us because less revenue equates to less chance of future developments, such as BoB. I dunno about piracy but how the PF release has been handled has probably turned a lot of people off. Obviously, someone at UBI thought that the risk of annoying a lot of punters, including die-hards, was worth the risk; essentially we were treated as 'friendly customers' who would 'put up with what we got' and that's not a particularly good way to maintain or increase your business.

In short, any new planes (over and above what was shown on the box) and fixes are greatly appreciated just as being messed about isn't appreciated.

Cheers,
Norris

Targ
11-18-2004, 09:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by oFZo:
Hey Targ, been a while indeed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Sometimes a little (over)heated discussion is good, that's what you get when people voice their opnion instead of "being nice at all costs". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree with you, however I felt that the thread was hijacked and it was getting personal so I asked that it be moved to another thread or forum. Seemed like a fair comprimise. I even said please and thank you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

crazyivan1970
11-18-2004, 09:52 AM
IBTL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VMF215_Plug
11-18-2004, 09:58 AM
This has been a real laugh to read while eating my lunch. This is an interesting dynamic that Oleg has created. I think the main reason for the flaming attitude of some posters is that they hate the pedastal that many have put Oleg on. I have been flying my new Corsair online every night since PF hit the shelves. There are some problems, but they haven't stopped me from enjoying the game. Yes, if it's on the box it should be in the game, but give me a break - you are only going to get to FLY a betty http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If you want to praise Oleg for the support that he gives the community, that's great. Me, I thanked him with cold hard cash. And will do so with his next release too, because frankly it kicks every other sim's a**.

IMHO, Plug

Raul_TT
11-18-2004, 09:58 AM
I commend Oleg and Co. for finding pragmatic solutions to real problems.
I haven't played much PF because I belive it was released a bit early, so I paciently waited for the patch.
Although I would have preffered that the release was delayed, I understand that with the community and a publisher breathing down your neck you may have to compromise.
I never doubted that Oleg would come through with his promise, and he is delivering on it the best he can, so as with the game release there is a bit of a compromise in the face of a real problem, but is no big deal there are plenty of planes as it is already in IL2/PF.

Willey
11-18-2004, 10:09 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif Ihttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif Bhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif Thttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif Lhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

DuxCorvan
11-18-2004, 10:09 AM
To be released November 18th morning... in Hawaii perhaps? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Uh, this is not for the impatient... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

crazyivan1970
11-18-2004, 10:11 AM
See Oleg`s replies in ORR...Same topic.

Da_Godfatha
11-18-2004, 10:13 AM
Hmmm, still no reply from the Mod. I guess the post count does mean something.

Targ
11-18-2004, 10:23 AM
I deleted your thread becouse it was insulting to another community member.
Just like your last one to me is.
Stop playing the victim and own what you did.

Jirozaemon
11-18-2004, 10:31 AM
Hmmm, as I read the whole thread I get the feeling that criticism is not appreciated very much in this forum.

Some guys made valid points about the product and what they expected when they bought it. But the majority of the posts (sadly: including the mods) tends to call them whiners or jokes about their age and atitude. I don`t think this is fair... If you want everybody to cry out "Hurray" all the time this is not the place to be. This is an open forum and different opions should be respected here.

My two cents
Regards

Jiro

goshikisen
11-18-2004, 10:44 AM
8:43 p.m. in Moscow. Oleg et al are putting in more than a full day... and I suspect that this isn't unusual for them.

WIFC Warhawk
11-18-2004, 10:50 AM
I go back to the old, old days..TRS 80 and above, any and every sim that provided flight..and in those almost 30 years of gaming I have never, EVER, seen the product support and dedication to a genre like maddox 1C.

Keep up the good work Maddox 1C.

Gr7_Bizu-RO
11-18-2004, 11:17 AM
I,m 100% behinde engine88.Look, i understand that things can happend ..In this case it was said that the patch could be realeased last week but a guy got seek..and they decided to wait for him to return..ok! Now another one got seek...ok! I wish them all good health and stuff
but in my view if you say a word you better
mean it..if you cant deliver ,dont say it.That,s all ..I can wait for the patch few days but if was announced and that creates expectations. I,m a paying customer and i whant to get what i paid for, in a timely manner..ok?

Mjollnir111675
11-18-2004, 11:19 AM
Hee hee hee!!

Man this is gonna get good, Wheres my chips?!?!

ZG77_Nagual
11-18-2004, 11:24 AM
The development team is extremely receptive to well informed or even just polite criticism - and I have just oodles of evidence to back this up. But looking for something constructive on these boards is like diving for gold in a septic tank.

Gr7_Bizu-RO
11-18-2004, 11:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mjollnir111675:
Hee hee hee!!

Man this is gonna get good, Wheres my chips?!?! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know..lol ..They gonna jump all over me in a second http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Jaws2002
11-18-2004, 11:39 AM
The patch better come before the mob finds you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

TheEngine88
11-18-2004, 11:41 AM
Gr7_Bizu-RO - Exactly! I am only going by what Oleg himself said he could produce. If he is unable to meet expectations, fine, but how many times do you have to say "two weeks" and not meet it before someone "blasphemes" by questioning Oleg?

I mean, c'mon. The whole "two weeks" has become a running joke around here. Why do you suppose that is, if it hasn't been repeated over and over as a completely ficticious release date?

Da_Godfatha
11-18-2004, 11:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Targ:
I deleted your thread becouse it was insulting to another community member.
Just like your last one to me is.
Stop playing the victim and own what you did. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am not "playing" the victim. I just find it funny that this community member can say alot of us are talking Bravo Sierra, and when I answer it is deleted. I just asked why it was deleted. You did not even have the respect to inform me that MAYBE my conduct was out of bounds. That gets me to believe it IS the post count that is all important.
It was not my intention to insult anyone here. But I have noticed a slight double standard is being applied.
If my question to you was insulting, then maybe, as we say in Germany, you need to get a thicker skin. No insult was meant.

DuxCorvan
11-18-2004, 12:00 PM
You guys don't get it:

1C is part of Santa Claus & Co. enterprises. Hence, it is located near the North Pole, where night lasts 6 months and day lasts another 6.

So, when Oleg said "tomorrow morning" he was referring to mid Spring 2005, or so. The add-on patch with new planes will arrive circa 2012.

wuggle85
11-18-2004, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
You guys don't get it:

1C is part of Santa Claus & Co. enterprises. Hence, it is located near the North Pole, where night lasts 6 months and day lasts another 6.

So, when Oleg said "tomorrow morning" he was referring to mid Spring 2005, or so. The add-on patch with new planes will arrive circa 2012. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

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Mjollnir111675
11-18-2004, 12:03 PM
SO Dux whats the exchange rate on time fer BoB then?Just tryin to do the math for the consequent upgrade.

TheGozr
11-18-2004, 12:05 PM
soemone can post the email that oleg didn't write..
thx.

We should try to help as a whole community.

Gr7_Bizu-RO
11-18-2004, 12:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
soemone can post the email that oleg didn't write..
thx.

We should try to help as a whole community. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


???? i think this post should do it..Let,s all stop here.Finall words.. We all love you 1C,Ubi,etc, we thank you for everything,we understand everything,we are 100% behinde you clapping happily..did i say we love you guys?
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif Sorry i get all emotional when i drink http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

pselva
11-18-2004, 12:38 PM
Respect and gratitude from me Oleg http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
Now if only all the developers were like you!

JG51Beolke
11-18-2004, 02:12 PM
Sweeeeeet !!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Mr Oleg Maddox. I'm looking foward to it. I'm loving Pacific Fighters. You've set a new standard for a Pacific War flight sim.

Best Regards and Wishes.

GerritJ9
11-18-2004, 02:17 PM
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