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MrSteven37
12-14-2009, 01:30 AM
Alright gang its about that time where we have to give people Christmas ideas so I figured I'd ask for a nice new HOTAS setup, maybe even some rudder pedals if I'm lucky! I feel torn between the Saitek X52 and the CH Fighterstick. I've read quite a bit about both, I guess I'm just hoping maybe some of you guys have owned both and could just spread some light on the various pros and cons. Thanks a lot!

julian265
12-14-2009, 04:20 AM
I think the consensus is that the CH stick is tougher and definitely more reliable than the Saitek, and more expensive given that you need pedals to go with it, as it's not a twist.

Some people swear by the X52, but I've noticed many more posts about problems with them than the CH stuff over the years.

They both still use pots though....ugh (X52 twist axis)

Choctaw111
12-14-2009, 05:16 AM
I have had several different stick during my simming years and wound up with a CH setup.
They are very rugged and even after 6 years of constant use they are still going strong showing no signs of wear.

Bearcat99
12-14-2009, 06:03 AM
If you go with a Saitek get the X-52 Pro.. it is sturdier than the X-52.. I cant say much abot thew new Logitech HOTAS..

Sillius_Sodus
12-14-2009, 02:09 PM
As a non-TrackIr user, I like Saitek sticks because you can map the hat switch to scroll around like a mouse.

na85
12-14-2009, 02:51 PM
Saitek is lousy quality, and if you don't have rudder pedals you will regret the X-52's twist axis.

Sillius_Sodus
12-14-2009, 03:19 PM
By all means get pedals, they will surely enhance your experience. I'm happy with my CH gear.

Chivas
12-14-2009, 04:32 PM
I have the G940 Hotas system. Overall its ok, but my MSFF2 joystick is more accurate, Cougar Throttle more comfortable, and Saitek Pro rudders are tougher to program but sometimes actually work when they are programmed.

RaceguyOSU
12-14-2009, 05:26 PM
Hi Chivas

I'm getting ready to re-build my PC and have been considering the same MB, CPU and ram you have. I have no plans to OC. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

Ed

VMF-214_HaVoK
12-14-2009, 06:06 PM
CH Products FTW! Cant go wrong!

TgD Thunderbolt56
12-14-2009, 08:20 PM
First, if you're on a budget, I'd still not settle for less than the CH stuff. Only, I'd get the Fighterstick and Pro Pedals to start and add the Pro Throttle later (only if you can't get it now)

Second, @ RaceguyOSU, my rig specs are below. Let me say, if you get an i7 920 and don't overclock it, you're leaving WAAAAY too much performance on the table. Even a mild OC with the stock cooler (say around 3.0ghz -3.2ghz) is easy peasy and can net you some serious firepower. It'll also allow you to push that sweet triple channel RAM to its potential.

Also, make sure you run a 64 bit OS if you go this route. It'll allow you to fully recognize and utilize all that RAM.


my specs:

i7 920 @ 3.8ghz
ASUS P6T deluxe V2
Corsair DDR3 1600 @ 1523mhz
XFX GTX 285 1GB Black Edition
X-Fi Titanium CHampion Fatal1ty
Raptor 300gb
Seagate 500gb
Thermalright TRUE copper HSF
Corsair 850w PSU
Vista HP x64

I had this rig for two days and ramped it right up to 3.8ghz. I ran 8 instances of Prime95 for 12 hours and it's rock solid. It's been running like this since June without a single hiccup.


TB

Chivas
12-14-2009, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by RaceguyOSU:
Hi Chivas

I'm getting ready to re-build my PC and have been considering the same MB, CPU and ram you have. I have no plans to OC. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

Ed

You can't go wrong with this setup Race. I overclock mine but it runs more than fast enough as is. The cpu is cheap and has a huge overhead as far as overclocking. You can overclock it later when new games come out that need the extra cpu power.

larschance
12-15-2009, 07:13 AM
I have a hamfisted friend who turns my bathroom taps off so tight it is a struggle to turn them back on. He has damaged one old joystick in the past in his excitement at dogfighting but so far my CH Fighterstick has survived. He has bought me a new CH Fstick just in case.
In an earlier thread someone asked about dealing with Gameseek.co.uk The joystick was ordered on 4th December, despatched via Parcel Force courier on 10th and received today 15th. Cost 105.98 including postage within the UK.
My original CH stick has lasted 3 years of regular use and still going strong. Tough stick for a tough sim.

EnforcerSG
12-15-2009, 02:22 PM
I have a CH Fighterstick and it is a great joystick, except for one thing that just bothers me. There is almost no resistance to it. I know it is not a force feedback stick, but it is so loose that after throwing it around a bit in heated combat I sometimes don't know if it is centered or not. Just by feel it can be hard to know where you have the stick. I can not comment on the X52 or X52 pro or the new Logitech, but I am tempted to switch.

As for upgrading your computer, if you have the cash an Intel I7 920 is the way to go. However check out Toms Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.com/us/) http://www.tomshardware.com/us/ specifically the Building Your Own section. Lots of good information there.

ytareh
12-15-2009, 03:09 PM
Man I hate loose and floppy joysticks .Believe me Ive tried them all and the only one for me is

Logitech Extreme 3d Pro

yes the one in your local pc store for next to nothing ...and re pedals they will put your flying back months ...its like learning all over again ....OK so theyre more 'realistic' but so is shooting yourself in the head with a revolver when you get shot down...I couldnt hack /stand them and gave up ...The Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar is NOT a good 'stiff' stick in my opinion either ...Just my 2c which many will disagre with.

RaceguyOSU
12-15-2009, 03:40 PM
TgD Thunderbolt56 and Chivas

Thanks for the information guys. OC'ing sounds tempting. I'm off from the 21st until Jan 1 so I may plan this project for that time. If you see the lights dim in Dayton Ohio you'll know I'm working on my upgrade.

Ed

WTE_Ibis
12-15-2009, 04:07 PM
CH, the only way to go.
In the five years that I have had it not once have I even had to calibrate it or the pedals for that matter.
Perfect when I bought it, still perfect now.
CH for ever.
cheers.

horseback
12-15-2009, 05:12 PM
Have to counter ytareh's plaint about his inability to get used to pedals; I took all of one afternoon to get the 'hang' of using them.

It was twist sticks that took me forever to get used to and they never felt 'right'.

+ infinity on the CH products. I've had my HOTAS & pedals for at least seven years without a glitch. Unless computers move from USB to a vastly superior interface and Windows or whatever OS is in vogue no longer supports USB, I expect to see my kids and nephews squabbling over 'em when I die...

cheers

horseback

Chivas
12-15-2009, 07:43 PM
The flying part coordinating my hands and feet was easy when moving to foot pedals. The hard part was fine tuning the kill shot using my ham fisted feet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I've never regained the high hit percentage I had with the twist stick.

TgD Thunderbolt56
12-16-2009, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by Chivas: The hard part was fine tuning the kill shot using my ham fisted feet.

Chivas is half chimp. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

wolf-striked
12-16-2009, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by Chivas:
The flying part coordinating my hands and feet was easy when moving to foot pedals. The hard part was fine tuning the kill shot using my ham fisted feet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I've never regained the high hit percentage I had with the twist stick.

Thats because rudder pedals on market nowadays are junk.If you had pedals with enough resistance so that your legs could feel differences in pressure applied you would own the skies my friend. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Stiletto-
12-16-2009, 04:38 PM
I am surprised there arent more high end rudder pedals like the racing pedal market. I know there are a few but 300-600 dollars should be able to get you something nice with load cells or some other kind of resistance.

Sokol__1
12-16-2009, 05:54 PM
Well, you don't find these in "Walmart" - but think that match car pedals like ECCI, Frex...:

http://www.dhs-electronic.de/index2.php?id=216&lng=en

http://66.163.168.225/babelfis...715b11a33fb&.intl=us (http://66.163.168.225/babelfish/translate_url_content?lp=ru_en&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvkb-flightsimcontrols.com%2Fprodukt%2Fpedal.php%3FPHPS ESSID%3Dc05107bd14bd4c072e038715b11a33fb&.intl=us)

Sokol1