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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:20 PM
Ok did some dive testing aircraft all trimmed out with max power 90 degree's straight down until it started to lose body parts.
Best diver - ME-262 960 before it exploded as it broke up.
Second best - P-47 910 before it came unglued
Third Best - FW-190 late model right at 900.
Fourth best - Late model BF-109 (latest model) 870 before losing pieces. Total breakup over 930.

Next up - La-7 840 before she came apart. Lost every control linkage but self recovere and pilot survived.

Lagg-3 810 which is much much higher than I expected. Started shuddering at around 560 so was probably unrecoverable by then also self recovered.

Mig-3U Wow what a fireball at 680

Stuka (no brakes) 740

Also for fun it was found that none of the above aircraft except the BF-109 were able to recover from a flat spin. Also noted the BF-109 turns better with it's nose below the horizon spiralling downwards. Leads me to believe it is nose heavy.
Emil - Surprisingly low at around 680

I did some others for fun too. Saved some tracks, and did mutiple dives. All from 10,000 feet up. No two dives were alike with any one aircraft.
The late 109's, and P-47 were still recoverable at 800+

I also did multiple test dives in late model 109's. At 800+ they were still recoverable, but it was 50/50 on whether the wings stayed on.



Message Edited on 09/22/0310:22PM by Hopperfly22

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:20 PM
Ok did some dive testing aircraft all trimmed out with max power 90 degree's straight down until it started to lose body parts.
Best diver - ME-262 960 before it exploded as it broke up.
Second best - P-47 910 before it came unglued
Third Best - FW-190 late model right at 900.
Fourth best - Late model BF-109 (latest model) 870 before losing pieces. Total breakup over 930.

Next up - La-7 840 before she came apart. Lost every control linkage but self recovere and pilot survived.

Lagg-3 810 which is much much higher than I expected. Started shuddering at around 560 so was probably unrecoverable by then also self recovered.

Mig-3U Wow what a fireball at 680

Stuka (no brakes) 740

Also for fun it was found that none of the above aircraft except the BF-109 were able to recover from a flat spin. Also noted the BF-109 turns better with it's nose below the horizon spiralling downwards. Leads me to believe it is nose heavy.
Emil - Surprisingly low at around 680

I did some others for fun too. Saved some tracks, and did mutiple dives. All from 10,000 feet up. No two dives were alike with any one aircraft.
The late 109's, and P-47 were still recoverable at 800+

I also did multiple test dives in late model 109's. At 800+ they were still recoverable, but it was 50/50 on whether the wings stayed on.



Message Edited on 09/22/0310:22PM by Hopperfly22

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:23 PM
why not try bailing out just before max-speed, see what happens!

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:24 PM
Interesting work - I wouldn't mind swapping tracks with you on these.

CEM settings are important for these tests as well.

I'm surprised at your Mig3 and La7 figures - in my [very limited] testing the Mig3 is good to 7-800+kmh, and the La7 has occasionally lost bits before it even hits 690kmh.

As you mention there's some weirdness with recoverability - obviously if you lose an elevator as your first torn off part then, well, good luck pulling out :>



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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:26 PM
Hi Badger,

Most of the time, the game won't allow you to bail out at faster than 600kmh.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:29 PM
Actually most of the Russian planes once losing all their control surfaces would self level, and begin to climb. Thus letting the pilot bail. Only a couple like the Mig-3 lost theirs wings.
Noted the Mig-3 also caught fire, and killed the pilot before it hit the ground.

Like I said though no two dives were the same either even with the same aircraft. I attribute this to very slight control inputs at high speed in attempt to maintain a 90 degree dive.
Also in a less than 90 degree dive roughly 70 degree's. Most of the Russian planes break up speeds decreased. 90 degree's they're falling with gravity I guess, and anything less they're somewhat fighting gravity, and drag.

Also the German planes reached their maximum dive speeds later then the russian planes. In general of course. It seemed which is maybe due to using complex engine management. They accelerate better into the dive.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:33 PM
The P-39 used to be the best diver. Able to do well over 1000KPH before braking up. I did 1180 and still pulled up with every controle surface. Not I start to loose stuff at 750. This needs to be fixed!

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:40 PM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- The P-39 used to be the best diver. Able to do well
- over 1000KPH before braking up. I did 1180 and
- still pulled up with every controle surface. Not I
- start to loose stuff at 750. This needs to be
- fixed!


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:43 PM
Sorry. Im not a skirt wearing Jet panzy that only fly's against lesser apponents and runs from those who pose a threat. I will however fly P-80's and make downing 262's my hobby as vulching 262's is my current hobby.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:50 PM
The only aircraft I run away from is La7 (because it is overmodelled), if you think you can face me in your P39 we can arrange a meeting tonight.


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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 12:05 AM
Lol. Last 3 times I met you online, you were flying 262's and you DID run away from me in my P-39. You even had a heavy alt advantage, but you flew out to sea. I turned back and shot down 3 109's and landed by the time you returned. Besides, this is about dive tests, not your lack of flying ability, Fliegenm├┬Ądchen.

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