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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:39 PM
In campain mode i cannot get past this bunch of 109f-4's!
the whole mission is escoruting some i-16's on a bomb run.
you get 8 p-40's to do the job against some 109f-4's.
now im not going to knock the f-4 but one would think that it would be a fair enough match that the p-40's would have some kind of a chance. NOPE. the ai f-4's wipe the floor with the ai P-40's every time leaving me all alone with at least 6 f-4's chsing me down. i keep playing this same mission over and over again and i just cant get past it. it's really starting to Tick me off good.

So my question is which plane should really have the advatige the p-40 or the 109F-4? which was the better aircraft?

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:39 PM
In campain mode i cannot get past this bunch of 109f-4's!
the whole mission is escoruting some i-16's on a bomb run.
you get 8 p-40's to do the job against some 109f-4's.
now im not going to knock the f-4 but one would think that it would be a fair enough match that the p-40's would have some kind of a chance. NOPE. the ai f-4's wipe the floor with the ai P-40's every time leaving me all alone with at least 6 f-4's chsing me down. i keep playing this same mission over and over again and i just cant get past it. it's really starting to Tick me off good.

So my question is which plane should really have the advatige the p-40 or the 109F-4? which was the better aircraft?

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:44 PM
You should be able to win a turnfight in a P-40 against pinhead AI in 109s. Against humans, the 109F4s will have a huge climb advantage. The P-40s have those six .50s though, which are a great equalizer.

In the mission you are flying the 109s are porbably verterans and the P-40s are average. Most of the P-40s will die in the initial head-on. It's just the way the AI is set up. Order your pihead AI to attack while you climb and drop in behind the 109s. (What am I telling you for, you know your stuff /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:52 PM
Without the initial advantage of altitude, the 109F should have the upper hand. I'd rate the 109F better in all aspects save perhaps diving speed. The P40 doesn't manuever as well, and with its stall characteristics, it's best to have some height for a cushion. Also, the P40 burns well when hit about the engine.

That said, the P40 packs a good punch, especially against the 109 airframe. It's not a turn fighter, IMO, but as a platform it's nice and steady ... just don't go too fast (the high speed self destruct bug).

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:53 PM
or deliberately hang back so the 109's go for the I-16's, then go on in behind them. Just watch that speed. Nothing worse than lining up a 109 and getting those 570kph wobbles just before your wings tear off!



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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 07:42 PM
I've already tried that one tony. the only problem is the i-16's must servive and those hungarian 109'2 at stagger in flights of 4. the come in waves. 4 at a time each about 1 min apart. and it's to far to race and try to caych them on the ground by my self. I'm going to try an attack from altitude. maybe some b&z.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 09:15 PM
I've won a fight with a P-40 vs. a 109F-4... But it was online multiplayer, more of a duel. But so far I find the P-40E to be one of the most deadly fighters around, especially in groups. What I recommend you do is keep your wingmen close to you at all times, and when the time is right send them after bandits.

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 10:41 PM
AI-planes should be easy to beat, if you use arcadish settings.. like outside view.. trick is to keep turning all the time (horizontally) and the AIs may chase you, but they waste their ammo shooting air. Then when they bug out, you just finish them off, when they are flying ahead stupidly.. or RTB:ing..

Though you are right, it is likely that you do this alone against 8 109 F4s.. but it can still be done, since AI in certain manouvers is a n00b /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif even when they cheat, and never stall ..

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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 12:12 AM
Yes making them waste their ammo is very good, and it's possible to do it if you keep turning they'll keep shooting behind you.

Also u can jump forward of your flight and drag the ennemies behind you, then keep turning so they empty their ammo while your fellow P40 can get on the 6 of the P40s

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