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Avont29
08-20-2006, 02:40 PM
hey, most of the people in the dogfight servers fly spitfires or la-7's, grr i hate that, why the spitfire gotta be overused so much

anyway i fly the F4U-1C corsair a lot, and getting pretty good at maenuevering it. is the F4U-1C any match for a spitfire/la-7?

isnt it faster than spitfire/la-7? better climb rate, i think its just crappy at turning. how can i beat the spitfire/la-7 with it? i don't want to switch airplanes :| i wanna stick with the F4U-1C cause im getting pretty good with it.

one of my squadron members made some training videos for the F4U-1c, and i've been watching them, i was able to pull off some of the maneuvers actually. but now he said that corsair is not what is used to be or whatever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

i like flying the corsair and i don't want to switch planes when i go to servers. i wanna own with a F4U-1c, what can i do

HuninMunin
08-20-2006, 02:46 PM
If you shoot at Spitfires while flying a Corsair you probably lost orientation. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Seriosly, no halfbrained La-7 pilot will be beaten by a corsair and you would have to strictly hit and run to get a well flown spit.

If you wanna own, use its high speed handling and its speed to Boom and Zoom.
Come from high and don't let your enemy see you.
Pass him shooting your 50 cals all over his crate and fly back to alt.
Repeat till enemy fighter is bleeding and running for home.

F6_Ace
08-20-2006, 02:46 PM
My first suggestion would be to find a server operator that has a clue and/or find something a little more historical.

Having the Spitfire, La7 and Corsair on the same map is cobblers.

The Corsair will do well vs its contemporary, usual opposition.

Avont29
08-20-2006, 03:06 PM
:'( beh, hmmok, dang

HuninMunin
08-20-2006, 04:09 PM
Paddon?

VW-IceFire
08-20-2006, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by Avont29:
hey, most of the people in the dogfight servers fly spitfires or la-7's, grr i hate that, why the spitfire gotta be overused so much

anyway i fly the F4U-1C corsair a lot, and getting pretty good at maenuevering it. is the F4U-1C any match for a spitfire/la-7?

isnt it faster than spitfire/la-7? better climb rate, i think its just crappy at turning. how can i beat the spitfire/la-7 with it? i don't want to switch airplanes :| i wanna stick with the F4U-1C cause im getting pretty good with it.

one of my squadron members made some training videos for the F4U-1c, and i've been watching them, i was able to pull off some of the maneuvers actually. but now he said that corsair is not what is used to be or whatever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

i like flying the corsair and i don't want to switch planes when i go to servers. i wanna own with a F4U-1c, what can i do
Its always good to pick another lesser used plane for all sorts of reasons. The Corsair is a good choice but it requires more of you than the Spitfire or La-7 pilot. You have to think a little more, fly better, and use real tactics to win against them. The La-7 is smaller, faster and more agile and the Corsair has few advantages in dogfighting combat.

So comparatively speaking what does the F4U-1C offer you that the other two don't have. Well lets make a list

- comparable top speed (not as good as the La-7 but better than the Spitfire depending on altitude and engine settings)
- dive performance (the Corsair has full roll and pitch authority through a range of high speeds while both La-7 and Spitfire begin to lock up - particularly in roll)
- firepower (4 20mm cannons on the 1C is superior to nearly all fighters with few exceptions)
- durability (the Corsair is more durable than either La-7 or Spitfire, however, it is larger and more prone to sustaining enemy fire)
- ground attack options (while the La-7 and Spitfire have a few bombs the Corsair can pack more bombload than a medium bomber)

So you have some advantages. Overall the Corsair is an effective fighter even in late war battles. It has a huge array of possible weapons for use against ground targets and in terms of air combat it has some options that make it worthwhile. In combat you should favour diving on your opponents, extending away, and then climbing back up to altitude and repeating. Practice aiming at the enemy using deflection shooting (i.e. not from 6 o'clock on their tail but from odd angles).

Do not get absorbed in traditional merrey go round style dogfighting. You want to be coming in from out of the sun, from above, with your four cannons blazing tearing the enemy to pieces. You should never spend time on their 6. Blast them from angles and zoom away. When someone gets on your six, dive away in a shallow dive and start a gentle roll and turn. At high speeds the Spitfires and La-7s cannot roll fast enough to follow. They can follow but much more slowly so use this to escape. Try and get a friendly to help or run them back to your base. Never turn when the enemy is on your six...protect your pilot behind the armored headrest, present your tail which is strongest, and dive away. Madly turning in Corsair will get you killed because he can always cut your turn. Most Corsair pilots make these mistakes till they learn or move onto another plane assuming its the Corsairs fault. Its not.

Its an excellent plane...its challenging, requires management of the engine (supercharger stages), and it requires good air combat technique. Learn these things and you will quickly dominate as the Corsair has excellent abilities. Once you've mastered the Corsair, other aircraft like the FW190, Tempest Mark V, and P-51 Mustang will start to feel more comfortable than the Spitfire or La-7. Arguably the Spitfire and La7 are easy to fly but also are easy to get yourself killed in.

Pilots who fly with Corsairs or Tempests or FW190s tend to get back to base more often because they require a air comat style that presents the enemy with fewer chances to get you back.

Good luck!

fordfan25
08-20-2006, 04:55 PM
in a sair your faster than a normal spit. the 25lb boosted tie fighter i dont know. your slower than the LA-7. in a dogfight your at a major disadvantge. use it like the FW190. B&Z. remember is this version of reality you do not have the corsairs RL advantge of better dive rates and abilty to take damnge. also the "feature" that was added wich makes the sair pull down and to the left when fireing "on the .50 armed versions". also remmebr that there is a bug wich makes opening the radiator on the DW fighters nonfunctonal. so keepm closed.

VMF-214_HaVoK
08-20-2006, 06:36 PM
IceFire pretty much summed it. Well said. Oh and dont forget P-47s in your last sentence. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VW-IceFire
08-20-2006, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
IceFire pretty much summed it. Well said. Oh and dont forget P-47s in your last sentence. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
My bad! I knew I was forgetting something!

Xiolablu3
08-20-2006, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by Avont29:
hey, most of the people in the dogfight servers fly spitfires or la-7's, grr i hate that, why the spitfire gotta be overused so much

anyway i fly the F4U-1C corsair a lot, and getting pretty good at maenuevering it. is the F4U-1C any match for a spitfire/la-7?

isnt it faster than spitfire/la-7? better climb rate, i think its just crappy at turning. how can i beat the spitfire/la-7 with it? i don't want to switch airplanes :| i wanna stick with the F4U-1C cause im getting pretty good with it.

one of my squadron members made some training videos for the F4U-1c, and i've been watching them, i was able to pull off some of the maneuvers actually. but now he said that corsair is not what is used to be or whatever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

i like flying the corsair and i don't want to switch planes when i go to servers. i wanna own with a F4U-1c, what can i do #

Hi Avont, if you want to fly on those dogfight servers then you should fly either the Spitfire 25lbs or the La7 if you dont want to be at a big disadvantage.

Those servers are so 'close in dogfight' orientated, that the best pure dogfighters in the game are going to win. Late war that is the Spitfire 25lbs, La7, Yak3P or maybe the 109K4 if you like the Mk108.

If you want to get a more realistic view on planes then you should try some historical 'mini war' servers where planes arent flying around turn fighting in a tiny area and you can use planes historical strengths.


Try some servers where there is a proper scenario, such as

English Channel 1942 (Spit V's/Mossies vs 109F4/FW190A4)
Stalingrad (La5/Yak9/Lagg3 vs 109G2/FW190A5)
Kursk (La5F/Yak9 vs 109G2/G6/FW190A6)
Singapore (Hurricane IIb/Gladiator/Brewster vs Ki43/D3A1
Malta (Spitfire MkV/HurricaneIIb/P40 vs 109F4/Me110/He111.
Marianas (Corsair/P38/Hellcat vs Zero/Ki61/Ki84)

(I missed out the bombers but you can guess what they will be in the year given)

These scenarios give you a much more realistic setting for the aircraft and you can use all their strengths. Plus the ground targets to win the map for the team, means that the whole team cannot fly fighters.

P38's and Corsairs are fantastic on these (more)realitic scenario maps because they can carry such a load to the target adn then cover the area too, the US planes are real map winners in this respect. SPitfires, 109's and La5's are great for covering, but pretty useless on their own in the grand scheme of things. (interestingly I dont think I have played a map with either the Spitfire 25lbs or the La7 for months)

Cajun76
08-20-2006, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
...the US planes are real map winners in this respect. SPitfires, 109's and La5's are great for covering, but pretty useless on their own in the grand scheme of things. (interestingly I dont think I have played a map with either the Spitfire 25lbs or the La7 for months)


Sounds like Oleg got it right.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif They were IRL too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

p1ngu666
08-20-2006, 09:35 PM
spitfire was a great photo recon plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

but them thar big american fighters are nice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

p1ngu666
08-20-2006, 09:36 PM
oh u could just fly a dora aswell http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Xiolablu3
08-21-2006, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
spitfire was a great photo recon plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

but them thar big american fighters are nice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I really meant as fighter-bombers Ping, but they can be good fighters too.

I should have added IMO.