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cawimmer430
08-23-2007, 08:11 AM
Might be old news but I just found this in an A/C magazine I bought a few days ago. The guy who owns the wreck, English restauration specialist Jim Pearce, wants to sell it.

This BF-109 E7 was built by Arado in September of 1939 as an E1 spec '109. In August 1940, the plane was upgraded to E7 status. The aircraft belonged to 5/JG5 and had the factory number of 3523. It was shot down on April 4, 1942 on the Russian front by a Soviet Hawker Hurricane while escorting BF-110's. The engine was hit so the pilot glided the aircraft down unto a frozen lake and landed with his landing gear extended. Later the aircraft sank as the ice melted.

The plane was raised in 2003 and brought to England. Jim Pearce also has a rusted P-39 Airacobra which was also raised from a Russian lake in 2004.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1964/bf109e7fp9.jpg

stanford-ukded
08-23-2007, 08:16 AM
Really interesting. It's my favourite 109 by a long shot. Is this something that could be restored to flying condition?

cawimmer430
08-23-2007, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by stanford-ukded:
Really interesting. It's my favourite 109 by a long shot. Is this something that could be restored to flying condition?

From the looks of it, it might be able to fly one day. The engine apparently received a direct hit so it needs to be replaced or repaired (if possible) and the right wing look "clipped".

I was looking for a contact address but the magazine didn't provide one for Jim Pearce. I suppose one can easily find him online though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sturm_Williger
08-23-2007, 09:40 AM
That does it - I'm gonna buy a lottery ticket this weekend !

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-23-2007, 10:08 AM
I google'd Jim Pearce. Loads of stuff out there:

http://www.warbirdfinders.co.uk/progress_reports.htm
http://www.warbirdfinders.co.uk/aircraft_FW189_V7+1H.htm

http://www.airspacemag.com/issues/2007/june-july/Restoration.php

Enforcer572005
08-23-2007, 07:43 PM
I had no idea they recovered any 110s and a 189. and 24 hurris? Wow. Cant believe the shape these things are in. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

cawimmer430
08-25-2007, 09:47 AM
Cool stuff eh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

DKoor
08-25-2007, 03:46 PM
Nice stuff....just it'll cost a lot of money to properly restore it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

f.ip2
08-25-2007, 03:55 PM
check out this plane:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blohm_%2B_Voss_BV_141


made me think about starwars http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

mortoma
08-26-2007, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by stanford-ukded:
Really interesting. It's my favourite 109 by a long shot. Is this something that could be restored to flying condition? Are you kiddin' me?? they restored the P-38F "Glacier girl" after it was entombed in ice for 60 years and it was smashed to pieces IIRC. I think they just brought up bits and pieces a few at a time.
The biggest problem is the engine. Far harder to restore a DB engine than Allisons.

Choctaw111
08-26-2007, 03:57 PM
I don't see the wing cannon (they should be there on an E7). Does it come with the armament?

Xiolablu3
08-26-2007, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stanford-ukded:
Really interesting. It's my favourite 109 by a long shot. Is this something that could be restored to flying condition? Are you kiddin' me?? they restored the P-38F "Glacier girl" after it was entombed in ice for 60 years and it was smashed to pieces IIRC. I think they just brought up bits and pieces a few at a time.
The biggest problem is the engine. Far harder to restore a DB engine than Allisons. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How I understand it, even if the plane has only one panel from the original plane, its still counted as a 'restored' plane, as its from an original wreck.

SO yes, practically any wreck can be 'restored'.

Its not really the same plane by any means however, almost everything will be new. However it is allowed to carry the 'restored' badge rather than a 'copy'.

zardozid
08-26-2007, 11:36 PM
Posted Sun August 26 2007 19:35 Hide Post

quote:
Originally posted by mortoma:

quote:
Originally posted by stanford-ukded:
Really interesting. It's my favourite 109 by a long shot. Is this something that could be restored to flying condition?

Are you kiddin' me?? they restored the P-38F "Glacier girl" after it was entombed in ice for 60 years and it was smashed to pieces IIRC. I think they just brought up bits and pieces a few at a time.
The biggest problem is the engine. Far harder to restore a DB engine than Allisons.



How I understand it, even if the plane has only one panel from the original plane, its still counted as a 'restored' plane, as its from an original wreck.

SO yes, practically any wreck can be 'restored'.

Its not really the same plane by any means however, almost everything will be new. However it is allowed to carry the 'restored' badge rather than a 'copy'.


Its all a mater of how much CA$H you have... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

Draughluin1
08-27-2007, 04:28 AM
Not sure what the upgrade from E-1 to E-7 actually entailed, but the E-1 version was armed with 4 x 7.62mm machineguns. Guess thats the reason for the lack of cannon. The Germans tended to convert some of their earlier 109's to Jabo's and this may have been one of them. The date of April, 1942 is an interesting indicator of the use of old equipment. JG5 also tended to have some of the older equipment and this operated in the far north. I.e the Murmansk map.

Regards, Warg

carts
08-27-2007, 10:58 AM
This is what she looked like when they found her!Remarkably intact
http://premium1.uploadit.org/cartsuk///emil7.jpg

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-27-2007, 11:44 AM
THAT...is a cool photo.

cawimmer430
08-27-2007, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by carts:
This is what she looked like when they found her!Remarkably intact
http://premium1.uploadit.org/cartsuk///emil7.jpg


Awesome photo! And I see a cannon barrel sticking out of the wing! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG52Uther
08-27-2007, 12:22 PM
Thats usually what my 109 looks like at the end of a sortie!

Choctaw111
08-27-2007, 12:42 PM
Interesting. So what becomes of the armament on restored planes? Does it become the property of some government or does it stay with the restored aircraft? I do not know of the rules and regulations for this sort of thing.

Beaufort-RAF
08-29-2007, 06:54 AM
24 Hurricanes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

T_O_A_D
08-29-2007, 09:51 AM
Man I got wood, and a lotto ticket too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Now if I could only win so I could get involved in this stuff. Pluss organize and hold LAN parties for us all over the world. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif