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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:09 PM
Why am i asking this.

P-40: buged.. it blow's up

P-47 manule prop pitch dosent work the way it should. The plane should be able to Max speed at 433mpr. It cant go 433mph in the game.

I checked veiw objects in the game, under aicraft and the P-47 is rated at 534kmph.

Sorry but it just seems like the north american planes are moddled incorrectly on perppose.

I apologize for whining. I would realy like to know if i should evan bother with american planes.


Some how i managed to read the max speed wrong on the site i was on. So if you think im an idiot, you proubly right.

I am soory for putting incorect speed info and made some changes.


Silent out...





Message Edited on 08/09/03 06:21PM by VF_310thSilent

Message Edited on 08/09/0306:22PM by VF_310thSilent

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:09 PM
Why am i asking this.

P-40: buged.. it blow's up

P-47 manule prop pitch dosent work the way it should. The plane should be able to Max speed at 433mpr. It cant go 433mph in the game.

I checked veiw objects in the game, under aicraft and the P-47 is rated at 534kmph.

Sorry but it just seems like the north american planes are moddled incorrectly on perppose.

I apologize for whining. I would realy like to know if i should evan bother with american planes.


Some how i managed to read the max speed wrong on the site i was on. So if you think im an idiot, you proubly right.

I am soory for putting incorect speed info and made some changes.


Silent out...





Message Edited on 08/09/03 06:21PM by VF_310thSilent

Message Edited on 08/09/0306:22PM by VF_310thSilent

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:26 PM
VF_310thSilent wrote:
- Why am i asking this.
-
- P-40: buged.. it blow's up

Fixed in patch

-
- P-47 manule prop pitch dosent work the way it
- should.

Likely fixed in patch.

- The plane should be able to cruise at
- 650mph.

650mph? I don't think so!

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:29 PM
hmmm, cruise at 650mph??? even 650kmh would be too fast for cruise speed. 650mph looks more like dive speed.

2 things we need in FB:
The 110 and the desert!!!
http://exn.ca/news/images/1999/04/23/19990423-Me110coloursideMAIN.jpg

ZG77_Nagual
08-09-2003, 05:08 PM
The p39 is an american plane and is very well modeled - The p40 is excellent in 08 - no blowing up. P47 is better - probably even better again in the full release.
There is a wealth of info available on the p51 - I am sure it will be very well modeled.

http://pws.chartermi.net/~cmorey/pics/p47janes.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 05:18 PM
Sorry nagual gotta ask.

What part of P39 do you find is very well modelled?

I find one feature lacking which is the stall characteristic, now this turns P39 modelling to total opposite of very well modelled.

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 05:28 PM
Just because it stalls incorrectly, you call the 39 FM completely inaccurate? Oh come now.....

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:27 PM
As far as the aircraft you mention.

depends on altitude.


If you look at the object viewer:

P47D10
SL: 536
9 Km: 697

See that difference. What you are seeing is low altitude performance.

Compare to a p51D
SL: 578
7.6 Km: 703



Interesting is to compare these two to the 190A5
SL: 570
6 km: 670



Until FB offers a good reason to fly over 9000m ( I don't think it's modelled over 10km is it?) the Jug's best case senario is never fully realized.

I realize the Eastern front was a different ballgame - but when Oleg starts doing other fronts, we will need better modelled high altitudes and aircraft like B17's that will have a purpose to be that high.

Just my 2 cents

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ZG77_Nagual
08-09-2003, 06:56 PM
Goldnikov's (sp?) accounts of the 39 - and others accounts as well - mitigate some of the pronouncements about the 39s flat spin (and that WAS the problem by the way - not 'stall characteristics') It is still difficult to recover from a flat spin in the 39 - though less so than in il2. In my opinion all the planes have much more accurate relative performance in the 08 patch. For example the 39's high speed elevator response is only marginally better than that of the yak3 and la7 in the patch - and these are markedly inferior to the 190s. The hurrican, I16 and p40 are all much better - the hurricane is no longer a 'noob' plane.

Golodnikov remarks that the p39 was easily mastered and was a well-balanced fighter. It is also worth noting the handling was steadily improved in each model - and that the first one we have in this game is the n1 - a ways down the line from the 'D' which was the first model recieved by the vvs - and to which many of the more negative comments apply

http://pws.chartermi.net/~cmorey/pics/p47janes.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:56 PM
Recon_609IAP wrote:Until FB offers a good reason to fly over 9000m ( I
- don't think it's modelled over 10km is it?) the
- Jug's best case senario is never fully realized.
-
- I realize the Eastern front was a different ballgame
- - but when Oleg starts doing other fronts, we will
- need better modelled high altitudes and aircraft
- like B17's that will have a purpose to be that high.


Exactly right. I agree completely. Here's hoping Oleg models high alt. in the add-ons....

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:06 PM
VF_310thSilent

This is the second time you said the P-47 can go 650mph on the level. It's silly. Even 650 km/h would be silly.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:44 PM
VF_310thSilent wrote:
- P-47 manule prop pitch dosent work the way it
- should. The plane should be able to Max speed at
- 433mpr. It cant go 433mph in the game.

What altitude are you trying it at? It should
only get up to 433 at over 20,000 feet. At sea
level is should manage about 350mph.

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:46 PM
Recon_609IAP wrote:
- Until FB offers a good reason to fly over 9000m ( I
- don't think it's modelled over 10km is it?) the
- Jug's best case senario is never fully realized.
-
- I realize the Eastern front was a different ballgame
- - but when Oleg starts doing other fronts, we will
- need better modelled high altitudes and aircraft
- like B17's that will have a purpose to be that high.

I would imagine that the next sim, with the stated
aim of covering all theatres, will address this issue.
I certainly hope so.

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 08:00 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- VF_310thSilent
-
- This is the second time you said the P-47 can go
- 650mph on the level. It's silly. Even 650 km/h would
- be silly.
-
-
- Da Buzz


looks like he doesn't want to listen. 650mph in cruise. that's a Jet not a WW2 plane lol



2 things we need in FB:
The 110 and the desert!!!
http://exn.ca/news/images/1999/04/23/19990423-Me110coloursideMAIN.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 10:36 PM
What, you don't beleave me? I don't blame you.

For some reason i read it wronge, ya i know how right. I forgot what site it was. I think they were using kmph.

I tride to get back to that sight but i couln't find, I whent to a few other's that said the P-47D had a max speed of 433mph.

I couln't find a sight that showed the differant speeds for differant hights. Any one know a good sight that would satisfy my thurst for info.


Again i apologize for putting incorrect info.

Sient out..

RichardI
08-09-2003, 11:29 PM
VF_310thSilent:-
Start here;-

http://p47tbolt.tripod.com/designanalysis.htm

I would also suggest a couple of books:-
From Specialty Press's Warbird Tech series, volume 23 : Republic P-47 Thunderbolt. ISBN 1-58007-018-3
From ibooks: Thunderbolt! by Robert S. Johnson and Martin Caidin. An excellent read. ISBN 0-7434-2397-6

I also suggest a book called "The 56th Fighter Group". From Osprey Publishing, ISBN 1-84176-047-1. It's the life story of the famous 56th Fighter Group, the only unit to start and end the war flying the T-bolt. Type in the book titles in a search box on Amazon.com and you'll find them. Also, typing in P-47 Thunderbolt in Google will bring up a LOT of websites with plenty of info. Enjoy.

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Message Edited on 08/09/0306:33PM by RichardI

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 11:35 PM
Oleg plz make P51 blow up at 350mph.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 12:01 AM
Afraid to fight a good plane carguy?

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 12:01 AM
The P-40 & P-47 in patch 8 are vastly improved..I have no reason at all to doubt the 1b patch will be a step backwards. With all the available info around and all the available P-51s around..the p-51 will probably be the most accurately modeled plane in FB. I think All the FMs in FB are more realistic...harder is not better.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 12:17 AM
Why did you ask in ORR?

Please read the guidelines. This should be in GD

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