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07-28-2006, 03:05 AM

From the Spitfireperformance website this is very interesting reading.


These official 8th AF P51 combat reports are very informative on weather, altitude, speed, engine Hg, heading, tactics, tail radar, K-14 gunsight, G-suit, flaps, manuevering, effectiveness of .50cal/number of rounds used, enemy aircraft position & number during the engagement.

The combat reports are listed by catagory: General Interest, Engine Boost, Dive (Dive Speeds in IAS), Turn, Use of flaps in combat, K-14 Gyro Gunsight. Just click on the Spitfireperfomance link and scroll down to the section your interested in and click on the pilots name for the details of the full report.

Lt. Col. John D. Landers, 19 March 1945, 78th FG--€œThere were Huns all over and three times the tail warning system gave good service.€

Engine Boost

1st Lt. Raymond R. Flowers, 1 November 1944, 20th FG €œI closed steadily pulling over 70 inches.€
1st Lt. James F. Hinchey, 14 November 1944, 353rd FG €œFor fifteen minutes at 74€ hg and indicating 600 mph€¦€
2nd Lt. Thomas R. Drybrough, 27 November 1944, 353rd FG "I had been pulling over 70" H.G. and was indicating about 425 MPH at approximately 14,000 feet."
1st Lt. Charles E. Yeager, 13 September 1944, 357th FG €œI rolled over and was pulling around 70€Hg.€
Capt. Charles E. Yeager, 6 November 1944, 357th FG €œI got behind him and was pulling 75€ Hg.€
Lt. Col. Roy A. Webb, 25 June 1944, 361st FG €œI closed very slowly and pulled as much as 70 inches of mercury.€
1st Lt. Thomas H. Hall, 15 August 1944, 364th FG €œI put on 70 inches and gradually pulled up on them.€
Lt. Col. Kyle L. Riddle, 24 December 1944, 479th FG "I pulled about 70" to 75" mercury..."


1st Lt. Robert C. Church, 29 May 1944, 4th FG "At about 4000 feet we were both still going straight down at about 450 MPH so I started to pull out gradually. I saw his A/C go straight into the sea about a half mile S/W of Nysted."
1st Lt. Fred W. Glover. 5 August 1944, 4th FG "At 10,000 feet we were indicating 600 mph."
F/O Ralph K. Hofer, 8 April 1944, 4th FG "I recovered just above the tree tops with the Me 109 bursting into a thousand pieces."
1st Lt. Orrin C. Snell, 29 May 1944, 4th FG "Our speed was then roughly 650 m.p.h. Halfway through the turn, he seemed to flick and broke in half."
1st Lt. Leonard R. Werner, 6 October 1944, 4th FG €œI glanced at my air speed, which indicated 600 m.p.h.€
1st Lt. Richard D. Bartlett, 2 November 1944, 55th FG €œI was dead astern, indicating 650 mph, and about 6,000 feet behind him.€
1st Lt. Darrell S. Cramer, 7 October 1944, 55th FG €œAt about 10,000 feet the e/a started a yellow smoke trail and immediately the left wing came off.€
2nd Lt. Walter J. Konatz, 11 September 1944, 55th FG €My I.A.S. was 600 and I hit compressibility at 15,000 feet, resulting in violent buffeting and oscillation of my ship. I noticed the Me 109 in the same condition; he was bucking and skidding violently. At about 10,000 feet his right wing ripped off about 4 feet from the fuselage€
1st Lt. Francis M. Matney, 2 November 1944, 55th FG €œI was going 550 MPH when I started to pull out€¦€
Capt. Donald E Penn, 25 February 1944, 55th FG "I dived on one jet, using 50 inches HG and 3,000 RPM. He was making a slight turn to port at 1,000 feet heading back toward the drome so I leveled off about 3,000 yards behind him and put on full power. My I.A.S. was then about 500 MPH and I expected him to use full power also and attempt to pull away from me."
1st Lt. Clifford C. Sherman, 7 October 1944, 55th FG "I closed on him but found it very difficult to control the plane or place my sight on him because of my terrific speed - over 500 miles per hour indicated."
1st Lt. Arthur L Thorsen, 11 September 1944, 55th FG "All this time we were still in the vertical dive - and when I checked my air speed it registered 500 MPH."
Capt. Edwin H. Miller, 21 March 1945, 78th FG "I followed the jet in his dive and started to close slowly when I saw he was headed in a shallow turn for the clouds. My speed at this time was approximately 500 mph."
1st Lt. Donald E. Penny, 6 August 1944, 339th FG "My ship fluttered at approximately 600 MPH causing my shots to disperse around in the entire area of the ME 109."
1st Lt. Harvey R. Waymire, 15 June 1944, 339th FG "Our speed was in excess of 500 MPH when I noted two pieces, then another large piece come off the e/a."
Capt. Valdee Wyatt, 15 June 1944, 339th FG "I was quite a while in overtaking him, even though at one time I was indicating over 500 MPH."
Lt. Raymond H. Littge, 27 November 1944, 352nd FG "At this point I knew I could not stay with him if we continued downward at our then rate of speed as I was indicating 530 MPH and I had passed him at 12,000'."
Lt. John D. Stearns, 12 September 1944, 352nd FG €œHe started to pull out and both of his wings came off leaving a trail of spray and pieces.€
Capt. Henry B. Kucheman, 24 April 1944, 355th FG Three (3) Me 109's destroyed. "I was doing well over the 600 mark when the ship I was following attempted to roll to the left but his elevator pulled off first and finally his entire tail assembly tore off."
1st Lt. R. W. Priest, 2 November 1944, 355th FG "The right wing of the E/A was coming apart from the force of the dive. I glanced at the airspeed and I was indicating 620 miles per hour."
Major Joseph E. Broadhead, 5 December 1944, 357th FG "He was diving almost vertically at 450 to 500 M.P.H. at 3,000 ft. altitude."
Major Irwin H. Dregne, 19 May 1944, 357th FG "At about 14,000 ft. the Me-109 was in a vertical dive and started rolling. He went into a tight spiral and then started spinning. I followed him down waiting for him to recover."
1st Lt. Frank L. Gailer, 12 October 1944, 357th FG "I followed him until I hit compressibility at approximately 600 M.P.H., taking pictures of the crash from about 6,000 feet after a 7 G pull out."
Lt. Col. Thomas L Hayes, 28 May 1944, 357th FG "Then the ship acutally disintegrated. I went out of control indicating 500 MPH at 20,000 ft. and so did my wing man."
1st Lt. Leroy A. Ruder, 19 May 1944, 357th FG "At the time we were going at a great speed with my aircraft nearly out of control. As I fired my last burst, the E/A started into another roll with pieces flying from it. Suddenly the E/A fell apart as the pilot tried to dive into a cloud."
1st Lt. James H. Sehl, 19 September 1944, 357th FG "When I was certain he couldn't pull out, I reefed back on the stick at about 550 M.P.H. and below 1,000 ft. Then I took strafing camera shots of the burning wreckage."
Capt. John A. Storch, 19 May 1944, 357th FG "From the way in which the E/A was spinning, I believe the pilot must have in some way damaged his plane by taking such violent evasive action at excessive speeds, as we were both probably indicating approximately 500 MPH."
Capt. Jack R. Warren, 22 February 1944, 357th FG "I was indicating about 525 mph so pulled out about 5000 ft and circled. I saw the Me 109 go into the ground and explode."
Capt. Calvert L. Williams, 24 April 1944, 357th FG "We were at about 10,000 ft., doing 500 M.P.H. I pulled over him and looked around; large pieces of the disintegrated ship were dropping down."
2nd Lt. Harold R. Burt, 5 August 1944, 359th FG "I pulled out with an indicated air speed of 650 mph at 500 feet."
1st Lt. Vernor L. Caid, 21 November 1044, 359th FG €œWhen I noticed my IAS was between 550 to 600, I started to pull out of the dive."
Capt. Benjamin H. King, 11, September 1944, 359th FG Two (2) Fw 190's, one (1) Me 109 destroyed. "I was doing between 500 to 600 I.A.S., between 12,000 and 15,000 feet."
1st Lt. Grant M Perrin, 11 September 1944, 359th FG "I finally closed on the 190 and fired at about 10000 ft. going over 600 MPH."
Capt. Ray S. Wetmore, 15 March 1945, 359th FG "During the dive my IAS was between 550 and 600 mph."
1st Lt. Robert T. Eckfeldt, 8 June 1944, 361st FG "I dived after him at great speed. At 2000 ft I began pulling out in time to see the 109 apparently out of control crash into the ground in a burst of oily flame."
Major George L. Merritt, 24 May 1944, 361st FG "At this instant we were at approximately 10,000 ft, going practiaclly straight down at a speed of 500 MPH."
Capt. Chester A. Barnes, 14 February 1945, 364th FG "When I pulled out at 10,000€ indicating 550 mph€¦"
Capt Thomas P. Farrell, 5 December 1944, 364th FG "At 8,000 feet while still going straight down indicating above 650 mph, I had to trim the a/c out of the dive. The e/a went straight into the ground and exploded."
Col. Roy W. Osborn, 21 November 1944, 364th FG "By this time, I was going about 550 miles per hour and I rapidly closed on the next e/ac."
1st Lt. Romildo Visconte, 12 October 1944, 364th FG "We had been doing about 550 mph in the dive."
1st Lt. Clyde K. Voss, 12 September 1944, 364th FG "My speed was just approaching 600 mph€¦"
1st Lt. Norman R. Benoit, 7 October 1944, 479th FG "Several times during the engagement our airspeeds were over 525 M.P.H."
Major Arthur F. Jeffrey, 25 December 1944, 479th FG "On the way down I observed the other Me 109 break to pieces after he had dived almost straight down for 10,000 feet. I had not fired on him, nor did I see any other Allied A/C attacking, so the E/A must have exceeded the stress limits in the dive."
Lt. Col. Kyle L. Riddle, 5 December 1944, 479th FG


Major George Carpenter, 13 April 1944, 4th FG "I went after him again and we got in a tight circle for a few minutes. The E/A could not turn with me without losing altitude though and eventually I got on him."
1st Lt. Van E. Chandler, 6 November 1944, 4th FG "(...) I turned inside him easily."
1st Lt. A. W. Chatterley, 21 March 1944, 4th FG "They started to turn with me but it was fairly easy to out turn them and I started to pull deflection on the No. 4 man."
Capt. Don S. Gentile, 18 March 1944, 4th FG "I out-turned them."
2nd Lt. William E. Whalen, 18 August 1944, 4th FG We were in the turn some time before I managed to work up to his tail."
2nd Lt. Richard I. Barrett, 11 September 1944, 55th FG "I got into a lufberry with a Me 109 and another P-51. After several turns the ME broke and went into the clouds."
1st Lt. Hugh Bodiford, 17 April 1945, 55th FG "I could outturn him easily, but could not pull quite enough lead to get strikes."
2nd Lt. Billy Clemmons, 3 September 1944, 55th FG "Getting on his tail at house top level, he started turning to the right, but I managed to turn inside him."
1st Lt. Russell W. Erb, 2 November 1944, 55th FG "I was in the middle of them, out turning them all the time. About a turn and a half, number 4 man hit the ground and exploded."
1st lt. Earl R. Fryer, 11 September 1944, 55th FG Three (3) Me 109's destroyed. "This 109 was a little slow in entering his original turn and in the turning encounter that followed - lasting about 3 minutes - I got on his tail and observed many strikes on his wings and fuselage."
1st Lt. Clifford C. Gould, 2 November 1944, 55th FG "We had turned 360 degrees and I was beginning to out-turn them when the second E/A appeared to hit the prop wash of the first."
1st Lt. Norman L. Larson, 2 November 1944, 55th FG "These tried to out turn us but I was able to draw 30 to 40 degrees deflection on the number 2 man."
1st Lt. Kenneth A. Lashbrook, 24 December 1944, 55th FG "The e/a tried to turn with me but couldn't, so he attached himself onto Lt. Kester."
1st Lt. Brooks J. Liles, 14 January 1945, 55th FG "They were in a tight 360 with the 51's on the other side of the circle from the 190."
1st Lt. Roy D. Miller, 29 January 1945, 55th FG "We then got in a tight Lufberry, and I got good strikes on his fuselage with a 2-second burst."
1st Lt. Frank L. Tischer, 11 September 1944, 55th FG €œThe enemy pilot used no evasive action except to try to outturn me, which he did not succeed in doing.€
1st Lt. Hubert Davis, 19 March 1945, 78th FG "We had made about two 360 degree turns, when I was able to get in a burst at 90 degrees."
2nd Lt. Richard I. Kuehl, 2 March 1945, 78th FG "Then I tightened up my turn and was closing on the 109's tail when he cut his throttle and stayed in a left bank. I dumped flaps and he leveled for a minute and then went into a left bank again. By this time I had slowed down enough to pull in behind him."
1st Lt. Charles S. Coe, 26 November 1944, 339th FG "We started a Luftberry and circled for several minutes before I could get into firing position but when I did open up I saw strikes."
1st Lt. J. S. Daniell, 26 November 1944, 339th FG Five (5) Fw 190's destroyed. "It wasn't difficult to get on his tail as I was turning with him."
Capt. Evan M. Johnson, 18 November 1944, 339th FG "I came around in a tight, right turn and got on the tail of the second 109."
1st Lt. Lester C. Marsh, 23 September 1944, 339th FG "I broke sharply to the left and the E/A started to turn with me; he didn't quite made it and crashed in a bunch of trees."
1st Lt. Richard S. Whitelaw, 24 May 1944, 339th FG "I saw the E/A and called to Major Scruggs to break left; he did so and I turned inside him, getting on the tail of the E/A in 720 degrees of turning."
2nd Lt. John P. Wilson, 26 November 1944, 339th FG "After about two tight 360's he flipped over and headed for the deck."
Capt. Valdee Wyatt, 7 July 1944, 339th FG "I pulled up again, and about this time Lt. Bush fired at him from astern, but overshot him, and he and the 109 were in a tight turn, with the 109 firing at Lt. Bush, but not getting enough deflection to hit him."
1st Lt. Jule V. Conard, 27 June 1944, 352nd FG "The bogey turned out to be four Fw 190's which went into a tight lufberry to the right. After a turn or so I got on the last 190's tail."
Capt Donald S. Bryan, 27 September 1944, 352nd FG €œAt no time did I have any trouble either overtaking or out-turning the FW 190s or ME 109s.€
Lt. William Fowler, 8 May 1944, 352nd FG "I had no difficulty turning inside of him firing all the way around the turn, bur observed no hits."
Major William T. Halton, 26 December 1944, 352nd FG €œI got into a turning duel with the leader of their top cover flight and found no trouble in out turning and out climbing him at this altitude (10000€).€
Capt. William T. Halton, 2 November 1944, 352nd FG "I found no trouble in out turning them and fought there with them for several minutes."
Lt. Edwin L. Heller, 8 May 1944, 352nd FG "We got into a luftberry at 130 mpg and I had 10? of flaps."
Lt. Richard L. Henderson, 27 December 1944, 352nd FG "I broke into him and after five turns I got into position and fired a long burst getting strikes on his right wing and the fusleage."
Capt. Walter E. Stark, 27 May 1944, 352nd FG "I reefed in hard all the while and was actually making a smaller circle within the 109s."
Lt. John F. Thornell, 10 June 1944, 352nd FG "About 30 E/a were still trying to get us, but I managed to turn into them and out-turn them."
Lt. William T. Whisner, 29 May 1944, 352nd FG "By using 10 degrees flaps and cutting my throttle I had no trouble turning inside him."
2nd Lt. James E. Frye, 14 January 1945, 353rd FG "Breaking into them we went around in a luftberry four of five times, when the lead 190 split S-ed and headed for the deck."
1st Lt. James F. Hinchey, 14 January 1945, 353rd FG Two (2) Fw 190's destroyed, one (1) Me 109 destroyed. "After going round and round four or five times, Jerry split S'ed."
1st Lt. Walter A. Prescott, 24 March 1945, 353rd FG "I turned with the other one for a few minutes, neither of us getting in a shot."
1st Lt. Harry E. Tear, 2 November 1944, 353rd FG "We went into a Luftberry circle at about 10,000 ft, making approximately five 360? turns. I was turning slightly inside of him which he evidently saw because he reefed it in harder. He suddenly snapped over and went into a spin."
Capt. John L. Elder, 15 April 1944, 355th FG "I stayed in a tight turn to the left and gradually began to get the advantage, causing the number 2 man to break for the deck."
Capt. Robert G. Kurtz, 8 April 1944, 355th FG "I had no trouble out-turning his ship and gave him several bursts at quite a deflection."
Lt. Col. Raymond H. Myers, 24 May 1944, 355th FG "I out-turned the E/A and began firing."
1st Lt. Royce W. Priest, 11 September 1944, 355th FG "After about 3 turns with our wing tips barely missing the trees, he pulled it in too tight and did a complete snap roll and ended up on his back, hitting the ground about the same time."
1st Lt. Merle F. Allen, 13 September 1944, 357th FG "He broke into me and we started a tight lufberry to 9000 feet where I got hits on the engine and cockpit in a deflection shot."
1st Lt. James L. Blanchard, 18 September 1944, 357th FG "I got in a Lufberry with an Me-109 at 10,000 ft. and we went around twice. I out-turned him and he straightened out, pulling across my nose."
2nd Lt. Byron K. Braley, 18 September 1944, 357th FG "By that time I was out of ammunition, so I out turned the other Fw 190, hit the deck and ran for home."
Major Irwin H. Dregne, 12 May 1944, 357th FG "I followed him up and he started turning. I out turned the 109 and started shooting."
1st Lt. Howard B. Egeland, 18 September 1944, 357th FG "I wore my G-suit and beleive it is a great asset in maintaining a tight turn."
1st Lt. Robert W. Foy, 19 May 1944, 357th FG "I made six 360? turns with the Me. 109s still following when a grey nosed P-51 attacked the rear ship, shooting down in flames.
1st Lt. Paul R. Hatala, 5 December 1944, 357th FG
Lt. Col. Thomas L. Hayes, 14 July 1944, 357th FG "It was easy to turn with them. In 180 degress of turn I caught the last Me 109. Opened up at about 300 yards; got good strikes; he burned and smoked."
Capt. John C. Howell, 29 June 1944, 357th FG "I reefed it in to get a shot and he tried to pull in tighter. He snapped over into a vicious spin and I followed him until I saw the right wing come off and I think it hit the tail."
1st Lt. Ivan L. McGuire, 18 September 1944, 357th FG "Lt. Brailey, No. 4 man, and myself broke into them and chased my ship to the deck, out turned him and shot him down."
1st Lt. Charles K. Peters, 19 May 1944, 357th FG €œI was out-turning and out-climbing them at 31,000 ft.€
Capt. John F. Pugh, 25 July 1944, 357th FG €œI continually out-turned him.€
1st Lt. Edward K. Simpson, 27 May 1944, 357th FG "We out-turned them, three E/A ran for the deck, followed by Captain Anderson and his wing man, one E/A climbed and myself and wing man followed him."
1st Lt. Morris A. Stanley, 19 April 1944, 357th FG "The Fw 190 must not be able to turn steeply to the right.
1st Lt. Mark H. Stepelton, 11 April 1944, 357th FG "While reforming two Fw 190's wre observed in front of us, one of which I attacked and fired on from about six turns observing hits on engine, cockpit and wings."
Major John A. Storch, 13 September 1944, 357th FG "When we got within range they broke left and went into a turning circle with us. We turned three or four times with them and they began to break up."
Major John A. Storch, 13 September 1944, 357th FG "I broke into him with my wingman, Lt. Schimanski, and turned with him a couple of times firing while on the deck."
1st Lt. Gerald E. Tyler, 18 September 1944, 357th FG Two Me 109s, one Fw 190 destroyed. "I followed him into a Lufberry and after about four turns, was able to draw deflection on him.€
1st Lt. John B. Hunter, 24 May 1944, 359th FG €œI had no trouble out-turning and out-climbing these 3 109€s during the whole combat.€
1st Lt. Robert T. Lancaster, 24 March 1945, 359th FG "I broke and we went around in a Lufberry about 3 times."
2nd Lt. Fred S. McGehee, 24 March 1944, 359th FG "He tried to turn me in a turn to the left but I had no trouble staying inside of him without wing flaps."
F/O Luther C. Reese, 20 July 1944, 359th FG "I could turn inside of him all right, but once in a while I'd hit a high speed stall trying to get enough lead on him."
1st Lt. Robert C. Thomson, 19 May 1944, 359th FG €œIncidentally, I had no trouble out-turning this e/a at any altitude from 20000 ft. on down.€
Capt. Charles R. Cummins, 25 June 1944, 361st FG "He immediately went into a climbing left turn, and, out-turning him, I opened fire from 300 yards, closing to 200 yards with 15 deg deflection."
1st Lt. David R. Morgan, 25 August 1944, 361st FG €œSeveral times we got into a luftberry but each time by using 20 degrees of flaps I found I could out turn him.€
1st Lt. Ray S. White, 7 July 1944, 361st FG "I got into a circle with him and within 2 turns I was getting on his tail."
2nd Lt. Jack T. Barrie, 27 December 1944, 364th FG "They both started turning to the left and we fell into a Luftberry that continued for about 10 to 15 minutes."
1st Lt. Ernest H. Duderstadt, 21 November 1944, 364th FG "We made about one complete 360 degree turn. I fired at him practically all the way around and observed numerous strikes."
2nd Lt. Robert H. Dwyer, 15 August 1944, 364th FG "On this pass I got behind him at about 100 to 150 yds. and followed through a 360? turn, firing short bursts and observing strikes on his wings then along the engine and canopy."
1st Lt. Robert H. Farely, 21 November 1944, 364th FG "I dove on him and he started a tight turn but I followed him and after about two 360 degree circles pieces were flying from his ship."
Capt. Elmer M. Fiery, 27 December 1944, 364th FG €œThe enemy was aggressive but I easily out turned him.€
2nd Lt. Richard L. Stiefvator, 12 October 1944, 364th FG "The last one spotted me at the same time and tried to turn into me. However, I turned with him and found it quite easy to postition myself on his tail where I closed from 300 to 100 yds firing all of the time."

Use of flaps in combat

1st Lt. Louis H. Norley, 8 April 1944, 4th FG Three (3) Fw 190's destroyed. "I dropped 20 degree flap and easily out turned him."
1st Lt. Paul S. Riley, 22 April 1944, 4th FG "Letting down 20? of flaps, I could get on the inside of the turn and pull deflection."
2nd Lt. Grover C. Siems, 12 May 1944, 4th FG "Observing that I was overtaking too fast, I pulled up over the right e/a and dropped flaps."
2nd Lt. Frank E. Speer, 24 May 1944, 4th FG "I had to put down 20? flaps to keep from overrunning him, indicating above 500 m.p.h."
1st Lt. Thomas D. Shank, 19 September 1944, 55th FG "I dropped full flaps and placed myself directly astern of the e/a on the extreme right of the formation."
1st Lt. Frank E. Oiler, 14 January 1945, 78th FG "I got into a Luftberry at 1100 feet with the FW 190, and with the use of flaps I got on his tail in two turns."
1st Lt. Chris J. Hanseman, 10 June 1944, 339th FG "I cut my throttle and turned inside of him, dropping 20 degrees of flaps."
2nd Lt. Chris J. Hanseman, 24 May 1944, 339th FG "€¦dropped 20 degree flaps€¦"
Harold W. Scruggs, 24 May 1944, 339th FG "I lowered about 10 degrees flaps and made two 360 degree turns in which I gained rapidly on the E/A€¦"
Capt. Bradford V. Stevens, 12 September 1944, 339th FG "€¦I was able to turn inside the Me 109 after dropping 20? flaps."
2nd Lt. Myer R. Winkelman, 6 August 1944, 339th FG "I put down 20? flaps and got on his tail."
2st Lt. S. K. Moats, 29 July 1944, 352nd FG I dropped 20 degrees flaps and after 2 more turns I was closing on the tail of the E/A."
Lt. Glennon T. Moran, 27 May 1944, 352nd FG "We fought for about 20 minutes and it was necessary for me to put down combat flaps three times in order to turn with him."
Major George E. Preddy, 21 June 1944, 352nd FG "He turned into me and I dropped 20 degrees of flaps, out turning him."
1st Lt. Arthur C. Cundy, 14 January 1945, 353rd FG "With throttle pulled back and full flaps down, I overshot this 190."
1st Lt. William J. Cullerton, 2 November 1944, 355th FG "I started to overshoot so I dropped full flaps and gave him another long burst just as he was leveling off to land."
Capt. Walter V. Gresham, 15 August 1944, 355th FG "I downed 40 degrees of flaps and got in another burst which hit him hard."
Capt. Fred R. Haviland, 21 June 1944, 355th FG "At 1,000 feet, I dumped 20 degree flaps and made a turn inside him and started to get within firing range, when the E/A made an abrupt turn, snapped over and crashed into the ground, exploding as he hit the ground."
2nd Lt. Esward Moroney, 2 November 1944, 355th FG "...I put down full flaps and closed on the E/A."
1st Lt. Harold W. Spencer, 16 August 1944, 355th FG "I dropped full flaps to keep from overrunning and fired from dead astern at about 100 yards and as I went over him, the Jerry popped his stick forward and crashed."
Capt. Clarence E. Anderson, 30 April 1944, 357th FG "By using 20? flaps and full throttle I pulled around on their tails in one turn and started firing€¦"
Capt. Leonard K. Carson, 2 November 1944, 357th FG "I chopped my throttle and dropped flaps."
1st Lt. Leonard K. Carson, 30 May 1944, 357th FG "I dropped flaps and turned back behind him."
Capt Robert W. Foy, 18 November 1944, 357th FG "I lowered flaps and gave E/A a short burst."
Capt. Robert W. Foy, 25 July 1944, 357th FG "He suddenly pulled into a sharp right turn and I put down 20? flaps and followed giving several bursts with about two radii lead."
1st Lt. Gilbert M. O€Brien, 27 May 1944, 357th FG "I slid right up beside him with my flaps down. He bailed out as I was alongside of him, at about 12,000 ft. His chest was covered with blood and he hit the rudder."
Capt Richard A. Peterson, 6 October 1944, 357th FG "I realized I was over running him and lowered flaps as I pulled along side of him."
1st Lt. James R. Sloan, 24 December 1944, 357th FG "In the ensuing combat I was unable to turn inside the E/A until I dropped 10 degrees of flaps."
F/O Boyd N. Adkins, 24 October 1944, 359th FG "I dropped flaps and slid in trail with him at close range."
1st Lt. George F. Baker, 11 September 1944, 359th FG "I dropped flaps to stay astern of E/A."
Capt. William C. Forehand, 30 May 1944, 359th FG "I dropped twenty degrees of flaps and cut my throttle and closed in behind him firing from approximately 100 ft.€
1st Lt. Frank O. Lux, 16 August 1944, 359th FG "I closed on him, dropped about 10 degrees of flap, and started to fire."
1st Lt. James L. McCubbin, 2 December 1944, 364th FG "The e/a then dropped his wheels and I dropped 20? flaps to stay behind."
Lt Elmer A. Taylor, 24 August 1944, 364th FG "I dropped 20? Flaps and outturned him."

K-14 Gyro Gunsight

2nd Lt. John M. Creamer, 18 November 1944, 4th FG "I used the K-14 Gyro Gunsight and I'm sure it was a definite advantage in the combat."
Capt. John C. Fitch, 18 November 1944, 4th FG "I used the K-14 Gyro Gun Sight and believe it is superior to the fixed sight."
Capt. William J. O€Donnell, 18 December 1944, 4th FG €œI used the K-14 sight and found it to be excellent for deflection shooting and superior to the reflector sight.€
1st Lt. George C. Smith, 27 September 1944, 4th FG "The K-14 sight was very helpful. I don't think I could have hit the 190 without it."
Capt. Richard P. Gatterdam, 2 November 1944, 20th FG "I wish to express my unqualified recommendation of the K-14 sight which I used in getting this destroyed."
Lt. Col. John L Mc Ginn, 11 September 1944, 55th FG
1st Lt. Edward H. Beavers, 23 September 1944, 339th FG €œThe K-14 sight, which I used for the first time, is an excellent instrument and is far superior to our old sight.€
Capt.Donald W. Johnson, 26 November 1944, 339th FG Three (3) Fw 190's destroyed. €œAll my shooting was done at 300 yards or less and with the K-14 sight it was easy.€
1st Lt. George T. Rich, 18 November 1944, 339th FG €œWe quickly outclimbed the e/a and, having a K-14 gunsight, I opened up at around 600 yards.€
Capt. William T. Whisner, 2 November 1944, 352nd FG €œI was using a K-14 sight which I believe to be very effective.€
1st Lt. George S. Montgomery, 14 March 1944, 353rd FG €œRight away with the aid of my K14 sight, I started hitting him.€
1st Lt. Billy J. Murray, 14 January 1945, 353rd FG
1st Lt. H. W. Brown, 11 September 1944, 355th FG Three (3) Me 109's destroyed. "The K-14 sight is a pilot's dream. The accuracy in deflection shooting is unbelievable."
Capt. Charles W. Lamer, 6 October 1944, 355th FG "I used the K 14 sight in these encounters and it was extremely successful."
1st Lt. Robert O. Peters, 20 July 1944, 355th FG Five (5) destroyed. "I was flying YF-S, a P-51 B5 equipped with a new K-14 sight. The sight was perfect and so easy to use in combat that I was amazed. The accuracy was perfect as it always showed hits at the point of aim. Without it I probably would have barely damaged one or two E/A. The sight is a miracle. I had only had one hour practice on it before."
1st Lt. Thomas L. Wood, 14 January 1945, 355th FG "The K-14 sight made the whole thing so easy it was unbelievable. It is something no good fighter plane should be without."
Lt. Col. Donald A. Baccus, 26 November 1944, 356th FG "I used the K-14 gunsight for the first time in aerial combat on this mission. It worked magnificently. It is so much superior to the old type reflector sight that there is no comparison."
Capt. James W. Browning, 5 December 1944, 357th FG "I took the second and with the K-14 made quite a deflection shot. I observed hits in the engine and cockpit."
1st Lt. William R. Dunlop, 19 September 1944, 357th FG €œI used the K-14 sight to do the above fireing and consider it far superior to the old sight.€
Capt. John B. England, 13 September 1944, 357th FG "Without the K-14 sight and my "G" suit I don't believe I would have gotten this Jerry as he was headed for a heavily defended airdrome."
1st Lt. Frank L Gailer, 7 October 1944, 357th FG €œI was using a K-14 sight and feel that it is the best thing yet as far as sights go.€
1st Lt. Harold O. Hand, 2 November 1944, 357th FG €œI was using a K-14 Gunsight and I think it is much better than the regular ring and bead sight, because it eliminates the guessing of range and lead.€
1st Lt. Harry H. Hermansen, 24 August 1944, 357th FG €œI highly reccommed the K-14 sight for deflection firing.€
1st Lt. H. P. Howell, 13 September 1944, 357th FG €œI used a gyro sight on this mission on a P-51D which I found very effective and easy to use.€
Capt. Thomas E. Hughes, 2 November 1944, 357th FG €œThe K-14 Sight is a vast improvement over the old type sight €" once you have an E/A properly lined, it is difficult to miss him.€
1st Lt. Howard E. Moebius, 18 September 1944, 357th FG €œAs I was using the K-14 sight, less than 50 rounds were expended.€
1st Lt. William B. Overstreet, 29 July 1944, 357th FG The gyro gunsight (k-14) worked extremely well and I think was responsible for getting the hits at first€
1st Lt. Donald J. Pasaka, 19 September 1944, 357th FG €œIn closing may I add that the K-14 sight is really perfect. In fact it is hard to miss after you once get on him.€
1st Lt. Richard C. Roper, 19 September 1944, 357th FG €œI had a K-14 sight. It worked perfectly at all angles of deflection and at extreme ranges.€
1st Lt. Charles E. Yeager, 12 October 1944, 357th FG €œTo my estimation the K-14 Sight is the biggest improvement to combat equipment for Fighters up to this date.€
1st Lt. Emery C. Cook, 23 December 1944, 359th FG "I hit the e/a at a 60 degree angle and attibuted it to the fact that I was using the K-14 gunsight, which I consider a boom to fighter-piloting."
1st Lt. Chester R. Gilmore, 11 September 1944, 359th FG "My ship is equipped with a K-14 sight and it worked perfectly. I turned on the gyro and put the pip on the cockpit of the E/A. Immediately on firing I observed strikes on the cockpit and he mushed yup into the cloulds."
1st Lt. Robert M. York, 27 November 1944, 359th FG Four (4) Me 109's destroyed. "My K-14 sight was working perfectly."
2nd Lt. Claire P. Chennault, 12 September 1944, 361st FG "I was using the K-14 gun sight and found it excellent."
1st Lt. Roy W. Orndorff, 31 December 1944, 364th FG "When he at last spun and broke he was just right for a K-14 sight."

These reports are merely a sampling from P-51 Mustang equipped 8th Air Force Fighter Groups. The gun camera film assessments, Victory Credits Board review as well as complete supporting statements for each encounter are beyond the scope of this work. It is hoped, however, that the quantity of reports provided is sufficient to enable the reader to gain an appreciation for the skill and courage of the Mustang pilots as well as the capabilities of the P-51 Mustang they flew.

Pulling 6-G's at 400mph and the effectiveness of the K-14 gunsight/G-suit combination--
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07-28-2006, 03:22 AM

Go to the Spifireperformance website and click on the pilots name. A report will come up looking like this:

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1st Lt. Frank L. Gailer, 12 October 1944, 357th FG
"I followed him until I hit compressibility at approximately 600 M.P.H., taking pictures of the crash from about 6,000 feet after a 7 G pull out."


07-28-2006, 03:45 AM
im just wondering .............. would have the combat flap "users" also outturn their foes without setting flaps ?