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Hurribomber
01-16-2005, 10:08 AM
Hi,

does anyone have any wartime pics of RAF Mitchell III's they could share?

Mitchell II was the RAF designation for the B25C/D.

Mitchell III was the RAF designation for the B25J.

It's easy to tell the difference between them as the top turret of a II is towards the back of the aircraft while the top turret of a III is near the front.

It's a very elusive bird, I've trawled the web without success.

I asked this question on another site but unfortunately every reply was mistaken, referring to Mitchell II's, USAAF aircraft or Warbirds.

Cheers

Heavy_Weather
01-16-2005, 10:37 AM
heres a bit of info on the J model B-25's which I think the British designated III:

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/h226.html

Hurribomber
01-16-2005, 10:55 AM
Thanks, I've a book about the group they operated with so I've plenty of info about which squadrons operated them and their ops, it just pictures that are frustratingly obscure.

FoolTrottel
01-16-2005, 11:15 AM
You must have found this one already then?
(Well, just in case if you didn't:
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/b25-016.jpg

Hurribomber
01-16-2005, 11:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
You must have found this one already then?
(Well, just in case if you didn't:
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/b25-016.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks but that's a II not a III, the top turret of a III is just behind the cockpit.

Taylortony
01-16-2005, 11:45 AM
http://www.warplane.com/pages/aircraft_mitchell_photos.html

FoolTrottel
01-16-2005, 01:14 PM
The Fool stands corrected.... got the turret position mixed up ;-)

Scanned my book-collection.... found some... sorry 'bout the 'fold' in them!

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/FoolTrottel-Mitchell1.jpg

http://server2.uploadit.org/files/FoolTrottel-Mitchell2.jpg

Just left of the left main gear (pilot's view) you can see these are RAF Mitchells:
(though the one with the RAF Roundel looks like a II!)
http://server3.uploadit.org/files/FoolTrottel-Mitchell3.jpg

FoolTrottel
01-16-2005, 01:32 PM
This one just for fun: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
http://www.troop171.org/eagle/rrmsp.htm
(Clearly states 'Mitchell, III' though far from Wartime!)

This is a 'pic', it's firing it's guns, must be wartime!
http://fa.vr1.co.jp/home/museum/Bombers/Britain/img/Mitchell_MkIII.jpg;jsessionid=PBMJFJJFILCE

Cheers and have fun!

Call_me_Kanno
01-16-2005, 06:21 PM
I got this one. Not very good but here it is anyway.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Kanno/FantasyofFlight-B-35ApachePrincess-2.jpg

Hurribomber
01-16-2005, 07:17 PM
FoolTrottel thankyou so much for the pics, I've spent hours over the last few days trying to track some down. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

The reason I was so interested in the III was because I wanted to know whether the RAF aircraft had the blister gun pods on the side.

You've certainly chosen an interesting couple of pics to answer that question! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Unlike the Americans the RAF considered the Mitchell unsuitable for low level work and operated her striclty as a conventional medium bomber.

So I didn't think they would have the pods as there would be no point carrying strafing guns they wouldn't need.

It seems the first pic with the pods is how the aircraft was delivered, the second pic were they don't have them is from an airfield on the contitnent so they are operational aircraft obviously gearing up for a raid, the pods having been removed to save weight.

As for the II still with them, the III was introduced in the latter half of 1944 to replace the II's but apparently the II was more popular as the pilots considered she handled better so they were keen to keep the II's for as long as possible.

This relates to IL2 as our flyable B25 has the pods which gives the AI the possibility of straffing targets which can spoil attempts to recreate RAF missions.

If we could have a slightly modified version to compliment the existing B25 we would have a flyable RAF bomber.

Thanks for taking the time to scan the pictures and could you tell me the book(s) the're taken from?

Cheers

FoolTrottel
01-16-2005, 11:53 PM
Hm, I was wondering why you wanted the pics... that's clear now!
(And I somehow knew you wanted to known where they came from, though I didn't record that initially, I managed to find them once again...;-)
1. 'The illustrated Directory of Fighting Aircraft of World War II' by Bill Gunston, published by Salamander Books Limited.
2. 'Famous Bombers of the Second World War' by William Green, published by MasDonald and Jane's. ISBN 0 356 08333 0
3. 'Bomber Offensive' by Noble Frankland.
ISBN 90 02 19061 1.

Hurribomber
01-17-2005, 12:52 AM
Thanks for the book info. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Btw it's also interesting to see they have even removed the defensive gun in the nose. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I've a book called 'B25 Mitchell Units of the MTO' which has loads of pictures of American B25J's also operating without the blister pods.

Heavy_Weather
01-17-2005, 07:07 AM
yep, nice pics http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

altstiff
01-17-2005, 09:24 AM
I did this video of the CWH B-25 on start up last June>>>

http://www.virtual-speed.com/stiff/media/clips/b25.wmv

Call_me_Kanno
01-18-2005, 05:13 PM
I found this one too awhile ago that I forgot about.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Kanno/B-25J-jpg.jpg

WTE_Galway
01-18-2005, 06:40 PM
a bit of trivia

the pods were the result of RAAF ground crews in New Guinea strapping 50 cal pods under the wings which gave the original design engineers a fit as the pods exceeded the designed loading of the wing by a fair amount

the dodgy pods were removed but in the mean time had proved to the brass higher up that the mitchell was actually very good at ground attack with enough firepower and North America was asked to come up with a legitimate upgrade to replace teh very dodgy australian innovation

MO_JOJO
01-19-2005, 03:38 AM
Here's one at our local CAF chapter in the St. Louis area. I may have some video I can burn and send to you from the PTO.

Bon appetit!!!

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/registry/b25registry/b25-4431385.html