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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:27 AM
Fortunately, I've had quite an active year in terms of Airshows (Biggin Hill, Waddington + Fairford). One thing this has done is reinforce is my love of the work of the genius who was R.J.Mitchell - the Supermarine Spitfire.

This one aircraft is nearly enough to bring me to tears when I see and hear it flying. I think the same can be said for quite a few other people as there was hardly a dry eye in the house at Biggin Hill, when they had four spitfires flying together, all doing a superb traditional low-level, along the runway, take off. Plus, of course, the Avro Lancaster.

For me, the Spitfire evokes a number of emotions, happiness, sadness, gratitude and reflection upon how terrible war is. In addition, it makes me remember that we are in debt to our older generation, my grand parents included (one in the Army in Burma and one in the Navy pretty much everywhere). Sadly, and I hope I am wrong, it would appear that young people today have little respect or even knowledge about what happened all those years ago. We truly owe so much to so few.

So, what Aircraft brings out your emotions and what does it mean to you?

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:27 AM
Fortunately, I've had quite an active year in terms of Airshows (Biggin Hill, Waddington + Fairford). One thing this has done is reinforce is my love of the work of the genius who was R.J.Mitchell - the Supermarine Spitfire.

This one aircraft is nearly enough to bring me to tears when I see and hear it flying. I think the same can be said for quite a few other people as there was hardly a dry eye in the house at Biggin Hill, when they had four spitfires flying together, all doing a superb traditional low-level, along the runway, take off. Plus, of course, the Avro Lancaster.

For me, the Spitfire evokes a number of emotions, happiness, sadness, gratitude and reflection upon how terrible war is. In addition, it makes me remember that we are in debt to our older generation, my grand parents included (one in the Army in Burma and one in the Navy pretty much everywhere). Sadly, and I hope I am wrong, it would appear that young people today have little respect or even knowledge about what happened all those years ago. We truly owe so much to so few.

So, what Aircraft brings out your emotions and what does it mean to you?

ta,
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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:35 AM
THE B-17 . the plane that won the war.

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07-21-2003, 08:36 AM
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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:40 AM
The Spitfire Mk IX I saw in the Belgian Army museum made me feel a connection to a plane I never felt before. I swear I must have flown the Spit in a previous life /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:41 AM
Nearly all american and british planes invoke emotions... most of them are puke-inducingly ugly.


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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:46 AM
Werre_ wrote:
- Nearly all american and british planes invoke
- emotions... most of them are puke-inducingly ugly.
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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:47 AM
The B-29...the plane that really ended the war. I think that plane has some emotions attached to it because it dropped nukes...for the first time we realized we could really wipe ourselves off the face of the earth...mass extinction.

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:51 AM
Oooh now I understand. If I want to get to a guy's softside all I have to ask is what plane would make him teary eyed.

I guess its almost good as seeing a movie ...


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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:52 AM
Thanks for the replies guys. Interesting point re: the B-29. Personally I can't say that it evokes the same emotions as a Spit but I can see what you mean.

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:54 AM
Miss-Kitten wrote:
- Oooh now I understand. If I want to get to a guy's
- softside all I have to ask is what plane would make
- him teary eyed.
-
- I guess its almost good as seeing a movie ...

That's right.

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:54 AM
RE: Aircraft that evoke Emotions in you?

anything after 1903 I suppose...



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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 09:01 AM
I would say definitely Spitfire Mk I, for obvious reasons.

Ivan916 has a very good point though, if I ever saw a B-29 I believe it would really make me think.

For some reason when I see P-51's they never move me, they seem more like show planes. B-17's and B-25's didn't do much either but I respect them greatly. I was kind of in awe when I first saw the Corsair (my favorite American fighter), I was amazed that such a big, powerful, capable plane was fighting off of carriers so far from home. Hellcat didn't move me even though my comments about the Corsair could also apply to it, maybe even more so. It is probably the most under-appreciated plane of the war IMHO.

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 09:05 AM
Too bad you can't get to our softer sides the same way when we're up in the air. The only things that'll suffice then are your Mk108s and a pair of steady hands!



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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 09:17 AM
Avia S-199 (Czech version of BF-109G-14). 4 of those saved my country's independence war back in '48.




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fluke39
07-21-2003, 10:46 AM
Boeing 747 : usually makes me sick

(actually now i think about it it might be the food they serve)

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 10:49 AM
b17 if it becomes flyable and making it back to base with 1-2 engines and bad damage. Oh yeah fire extinguishers too for each engine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 11:45 AM
The Aircraft that produces the most emotions is the one shooting at me, I get kinda emotional then, mostly in the digestive system.

And im pretty much a fan of all aircraft, if it flies im all woo yay.

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 11:51 AM
well, the first time i saw and touched the mustang my eyes got wet, really...

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 11:56 AM
ohadbx wrote:
- Avia S-199 (Czech version of BF-109G-14). 4 of those
- saved my country's independence war back in '48.
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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 12:39 PM
The SAAB J 37 Viggen. That thing is over 30 years old but
still a top dog

always make my knees weak when I see it at airshows
and the engine roar shakes the ground

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 01:45 PM
I saw a wing of Spitfires fly over me on their way to some rememberance-type airshow.
The sound of their throbbing engines brought a lump to my throat and a tear to my eye.
And this was before I became an air-plane junkie!

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 02:05 PM
The Spitfire, and not because i am british and therefore biased to it. To me the Spit represent the will to win against overwelming odds stacked against a country, what more than an example of the battle of britain- a small, stretched and kind of unexperienced airforce that faced the might of the entire luftwaffe that had fighting experience in the Spanish civil war. For me the spit represents pure power, defiance, the unrelenting desire to win. She was that lady that held our country together, she was that lady that kept us free, she was that lady that made CHurchills words a reality. She was that lady that portays us Britons and what we stand for.

The Mustang i feel does not have these qualities, she joined the war when the allied airforce, in particular the US one were relativley large. Plus also the Germans diverted their attention to Russia after the Spit broke their resolve

Let us not forget the Hurricane also, for she also joined the spit in arms and odds to defend England green and pleasant land


I give my thanks to the RAF of the era for their truely heroic actions

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07-21-2003, 05:36 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 05:38 PM
Ivan916 wrote:
- The B-29...the plane that really ended the war. I
- think that plane has some emotions attached to it
- because it dropped nukes...for the first time we
- realized we could really wipe ourselves off the face
- of the earth...mass extinction.
-
-

The Brewster dropped nukes ?

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 05:49 PM
Though I love fighters the C-47 (DC-3/Dakota) will always have a special place in my heart. My dad jumped out of them as a paratrooper with the 101st.

On those rare occasions when I was a kid one would fly over our house, my dad would stop whatever he was doing in the yard and look up. He'd know what it was before he even saw it by the sound. The look on his face was like he was seeing a long lost friend. It would nearly bring tears to his eyes.

Great airplanes. I'm glad so many of them are still flying.

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 05:55 PM
I have tears comming out of my eyes when i see I-16, and I-153......Poor russians, brave pilots, what they were forced to fly in.

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 05:56 PM
Arm_slinger wrote:
- The Spitfire, and not because i am british and
- therefore biased to it. To me the Spit represent the
- will to win against overwelming odds stacked against
- a country, what more than an example of the battle
- of britain- a small, stretched and kind of
- unexperienced airforce that faced the might of the
- entire luftwaffe that had fighting experience in the
- Spanish civil war. For me the spit represents pure
- power, defiance, the unrelenting desire to win. She
- was that lady that held our country together, she
- was that lady that kept us free, she was that lady
- that made CHurchills words a reality. She was that
- lady that portays us Britons and what we stand for.

I really couldn't agree more, when a spitfire flew over our house I almost started crying.

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 05:59 PM
Has to be the B-17 for me!

The P-47 "Razorback" is a close second!

Then the Bf 109!
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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 06:23 PM
Pretty funny that guys can't say what plane they like, without saying how much they hate the P-51.

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 06:33 PM
For me it's the P-47 and P-51 both planes mean alot to me as my gradfather flew them in WWII. To hear and see them does bring a special feeling of understanding sometimes, and mostly deep admiration to all of that generation.
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07-21-2003, 06:42 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 06:54 PM
heh, well not much ww2 planes bring out emotions, but watching 3 f15 eagles in formation does bring a smile or 2 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 06:55 PM
The a/c I found to be the most challenging and exciting (in more ways than one) to operate was the Beech 18. The army called it the C45.

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 10:07 PM
I'd say the Spit and the Avro Arrow.

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 10:15 PM
bigest emotion was the airbus a340-600 at le bourget 2 couple years ago

damn that huge thing made a to with 30 degrees pitch up

the pilot was all the time on the edge of flight protections and in the pit you can hear the master caution shime every 10 secs
what a plane

in ww2

biggest emo with the 262 and the fw190

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 10:31 PM
I can no-longer look at a Fairey Firefly without feeling sick. I was at Flying Legends at Duxford. anyone else who was here on the Saturday will know what i'm talking about. There was a Firefly displaying, did a couple of fly-by's and then seemed to attempt a loop. he was far too low. When he reached the top of his loop I realised that there was no way he was going to make it. he crashed about a mile away from the croud, and only about 100m from a bussy motorway. i am 15, and that is the first time i have watched a person die. i was in tears, as were most of the croud. when i close my eyes, i still see that maagnificent bird, the culmination of thousands of hours of work, take the lives of it'a two crew. it messed with my already messed with head.

in terms of sheer beuaty, i have to say my favourite aircraft is the Grumman F7F Tigercat. what a machine.

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 10:43 PM
Gloster Gladiator. I find the way it battled bravely against superior opposition in Norway, Greece and Malta moving. A great plane out of its depth, which nonetheless in the hands of people like Pat Pattle was still capable of tremendous successes.

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07-21-2003, 10:46 PM
A formation of 8 plus He-111s in formation bring goose bumps though out my body. I get that during our squad events.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:34 AM
BuzzU wrote:
- Pretty funny that guys can't say what plane they
- like, without saying how much they hate the P-51.
-
- The more you hate the P-51. The more I love
- it.
- Da Buzz

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:01 AM
So, what Aircraft brings out your emotions and what
- does it mean to you?

What a question! I think most all WWII aircraft evoke some sort of emotion from me. However, I'm think I'm most fond of the Allied birds. Seeing one in person really makes you appreciate the beauty and craftmanship that went into their development. They exude,in my opinion,more personality,(and,yes,even affection)than most stone-cold,post-war aircraft. These aircraft,however antiquated as they may be, have(without a doubt)a special place in my heart.

(btw,I know that sounded corny,but its true/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:54 AM
of all the ww2 planes actually in flight soundwise well........ i was at work one day and heard this loud rumbling roar overhead. i knew it wasnt anything id ever heard before. no fighter or prop fighter . it was a b17 flying overhead towards moffett field in santa clara CA. most impressive plane ive ever heard. jet fighters dont sound half that cool. even spits and stangs cant hold a candle to that flame. no way. if its low enough it rumbles right through you.

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07-22-2003, 03:16 AM
Buzz and UCLANUPE, the Mustang has you all emotional. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Nobody said they hated the Mustang, they just said that it doesn't invoke much emotion in them. I said they look like show planes, that isn't a shot, I just meant that because they are more common, have more elaborate paint schemes, and have very clean lines that they look more like racing planes than fighting machines. In a way it is a compliment, I think the Stang is an awesome plane. Actually I think only me and Armslinger (something like that), even mentioned this point. Try not to get so emotional. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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07-22-2003, 03:22 AM
kyrule2

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:33 AM
kyrule2 wrote:
- Buzz and UCLANUPE, the Mustang has you all
emotional. Nobody said they hated the Mustang, Try not to get so emotional.

Kyrule2 you are a laugh riot. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif First you missed the puke post. Also you don't have to look too far for anti-Mustang posts in this forum. That's ok with me, to each his own.

Second the Mustang does evoke some emotion from me because my favorite Fighter Group flew them (ie. The Tuskegee Airmen). If you are not sure how/why that plane flown by those men evokes some emotion, I understand. Why not take this opportunity to stop by my site and read the history of what these men endured, just for the chance to die fighting for a country that viewed them as second class. It might evoke some human emotion from you as well. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Then again maybe not /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif S!

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07-22-2003, 03:37 AM
I remember when I saw the Fokker DR1 up here at a toronto airshow. It was beside another biplane but I dont remember what it was. It was amazing to see it flying...was quite a while ago...4-5 years..man it was slow though.

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07-22-2003, 03:42 AM
BuzzU wrote:
- kyrule2
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- Did you miss the guy saying the P-51 makes him
- puke?..
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To be fair he said that all American and British aircraft made him want throw up, not just the Pony.






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07-22-2003, 03:44 AM
Whoa, easy guys, I was joking. I said that I like the Mustang, and yes I can certainly appreciate it stirring emotions in many people. It just doesn't for me, that does not mean there is something wrong with me. This is subjective. I know the history of the P-51 and the units who flew them just fine, it just doesn't move me when I see it. I was surprised but it didn't. For some reason the Corasir does though.

And Buzz, the guy said all American and British planes made him puke, that's not exactly singling out the Mustang.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:47 AM
Funny I love the Corsair too. Just a fine plane with great character. Like I said to each his own, no problem with that. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:47 AM
Does that make it better?

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:50 AM
BuzzU wrote:
- Does that make it better?
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When i think of it, no /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

How could a Spitfire possibly make anyone want to puke?!

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:55 AM
LOL Buzz. If I came on and posted that "I hate all American and British cars, but I like BMW's", wouldn't it be odd if someone replied "why is it that when someone posts about their favorite car, they can't help but say how much they hate the Corvette." So yes, I think it does make it better. Oh well, just having fun.

Oh, and Demolisher, I couldn't agree more. Why would anybody hate the Spitfire, or the Tempest for that matter. When talking a bout those planes, that is a horse of a different color. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:48 AM
Most planes don't get my too stirred up emotionally, except the F-15. I have so many fond memories of being at the riverfront for the 4th of July airshows...of an F-15 shrieking in low over the Eades Bridge, doing a half roll, and turning away from the crowd at full afterburner, making so much noise that the water ripples. To me, that aircraft personifies power. An armed F-15 is a perfect, no-BS killing machine. I get all tingly every time I see one fly over /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:51 AM
Yeah, F-15, B-52, and definately B-17.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:55 AM
For me it is the P-51....the P-47.....the Spit....the Me-109....and the A-7E Corsair.... I used to work with them in may Navair days.... I often wonder how my life would have been had i stayed in the Navy...believe it or not I still can smell the JP-5...and a San Miguel takes me back with every sip../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 06:21 AM
P-39 Airacobra.

When I was five one crashed in the park behind our neighborhood elementary school. It was a Saturday and school was out. My dad and I were walking to the park to play on the swings and slides when we heard a sputtering, coughing aircraft engine. We looked up and saw this P-39 smoke coming from behind the pilot, (which I thought was odd because I didn't know where the engine was placed), and desending rapidly toward the school/park. It wasn't gliding like my balsawood flying models did, it was almost pancaking down. I remember pointing to it, not realizing what was going to happen. I looked at my dad who had served in the Pacific as a Marine, and his face was ashen. I looked at the cockpit and remember seeing the pilot for just a brief instant, looking around franticly. I realized later he was probably trying to find the best place to crash. The plane disappeared behind the trees of the park and an extremely loud explosion and fireball followed. I hadn't heard anything like it in my life. I grabbed my dad and he started running to the park dragging me along. When we got to the crash scene there was nothing but a firey wreckage in the only place that had a large open area, the low rumble of burning fuel and thick black smoke. My dad stopped and stared. That's when I realized that when a real plane crashes, a real human dies. The fire department, police and Army Airforce arrived and we left the area. For days I couldn't get my dad to talk about it.
Two weeks later he told me a story about a friend of his who had enlisted the same time he did but joined the Army and got his pilot wings. My dad says the last letter he got from him said that he had been assigned to fly in a squadron of P-39's and he didn't like the balance of the plane. "Without power it glides like a rock." he said. 3 months later my dad found out he had crashed and died during a routine patrol. Probable cause, engine failure. Then my dad expalined to me why the pilot hadn't bailed out. Since the P-39 had poor gliding characteristics, the pilot was doing his best to avoid crashing into the shcool or neighborhood houses. He actually cried, the only time I ever saw him do that.

Every time I see a P-39 I remember that plane falling from the sky, the pilot looking around trying to find the safest place to land.

I still haven't flown the P-39 in Il-2 yet.


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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 06:54 AM
The E seriers BF 109 & Spitfire & Hurricanes cause of their history

The SU-47 Berkut because of its single-minded approach to turning ability

The A 10 because its so Fearsome

The F22-Raptor because of its abilitys

The Mustang because of how it sounds & its power & how it flys

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 06:56 AM
a plane going down with one wing and then exploding into a ball of fire evokes emotions in me