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Chuck_Older
07-31-2006, 06:06 AM
I do. Couple years back I picked up a very large arbor press at my shop, about 200lbs. Picking it up wasn't the problem, but as soon as I tried to walk it to the new bench, something in my body...squashed. A few days later the pain had all but gone away. My Dad slipped a disc when he was a kid, said that the pain never stopped or lessened, so I didn't think my injury was that

Yes yes yes, go see a doctor and all that. Sure

My pain was gone, 100% gone, until this April. I had hurt my back in October of '04

I was sitting at my desk, and doing bills. All of a sudden my right leg, and my right hip next to my spine started hurting bad, as if a hot...something was pressing against me. The pain turned into a feeling of not really pain in my hip next to my spine, but I can tell something's not right, and my right leg hurt like I'd pulled my calf and thigh muscles

they tell me it's the sciatic nerve when you get leg pain like that

Well since then it almost went away, some minor achy pain when I get out of bed, nothing that even would keep me from falling back to sleep, and by the time I walk to the shower, it's gone

Saturday, I helped three people move, two completely to move all their stuff to new homes, and one to move some stuff (like two kilns and 300 pounds of clay, don't ask)

Now my right calf is killing me- again. Off the record, I've been told by medical professionals that there's not a lot that they can do, it's pretty much up to me to allow it to heal. Apparently it's hard to get oxygen in there to reduce the swelling which is pinching the sciatic nerve

Anybody else have this literal pain in the *ss? What do you do to help it heal?

Chuck_Older
07-31-2006, 06:06 AM
I do. Couple years back I picked up a very large arbor press at my shop, about 200lbs. Picking it up wasn't the problem, but as soon as I tried to walk it to the new bench, something in my body...squashed. A few days later the pain had all but gone away. My Dad slipped a disc when he was a kid, said that the pain never stopped or lessened, so I didn't think my injury was that

Yes yes yes, go see a doctor and all that. Sure

My pain was gone, 100% gone, until this April. I had hurt my back in October of '04

I was sitting at my desk, and doing bills. All of a sudden my right leg, and my right hip next to my spine started hurting bad, as if a hot...something was pressing against me. The pain turned into a feeling of not really pain in my hip next to my spine, but I can tell something's not right, and my right leg hurt like I'd pulled my calf and thigh muscles

they tell me it's the sciatic nerve when you get leg pain like that

Well since then it almost went away, some minor achy pain when I get out of bed, nothing that even would keep me from falling back to sleep, and by the time I walk to the shower, it's gone

Saturday, I helped three people move, two completely to move all their stuff to new homes, and one to move some stuff (like two kilns and 300 pounds of clay, don't ask)

Now my right calf is killing me- again. Off the record, I've been told by medical professionals that there's not a lot that they can do, it's pretty much up to me to allow it to heal. Apparently it's hard to get oxygen in there to reduce the swelling which is pinching the sciatic nerve

Anybody else have this literal pain in the *ss? What do you do to help it heal?

Waldo.Pepper
07-31-2006, 06:30 AM
Stop helping people move! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Seriously, my Sister in law suffered. Time and physio therapy. She went to a sports medicine specialist. Still she treats her back gingerly these days.

Best I can do Chuck. Might I suggest heavy meds?

Friendly_flyer
07-31-2006, 06:45 AM
Wait until the worst of the pain stops, then get a spot of training for your back. Nothing heavy, just keep the meuscles in shape. Thei'll help holding things in their right place for the future.

Irish_Rogues
07-31-2006, 06:47 AM
I'll get a touch of it when my weight is up and I do a lot of physical activity. Most of mine comes from muscle spasm clenching up my spine and putting pressure on the sciatic nerve. I most likely have something out of line or a bulging disc. I can usually get some relief from normal back ache remedies like, hot shower or compress, ointments and the like. You symptoms are much more severe then mine, but the cause of the flare-ups are similar. I hope you find relief.

Udidtoo
07-31-2006, 07:20 AM
Try this when you can get some down time. Get a big thick pillow (they make specially shaped ones for both side and back positioning) Try both sides. Draw your knees up to groin level and put the pillow between your knees. Its important that your top leg doesn't slip over and slid down any over the bottom leg. Move your knees up or down in very small increments while you try and find the sweet spot. A 1/4 can be the difference between bliss and agony. If your sides don't produce a comfortable position then lay on your back and place the pillow under your knees. Have someone help you while you try different thicknesses and degrees of incline for your torso. mine usually likes around 15 to 20 degrees if its a knees up day. Use ice on that spot just to the side of your spine where the burning is worse. Cold reduces swelling, heat produces swelling. You have to remember that its not muscle that's hurting. Your frame is out of alignment and tissue is touching a nerve that wasn't meant to be touched so something like a hot tub will probably make matters worse,does for most folk in your position.

If you can afford it get an MRI so a specialist can see exactly where the damage is and the extent. They are doing amazing things with spinal injuries if you don't destroy what the Dr's have to works with.

Check your PM's Chuck.

Frankenstein000
07-31-2006, 08:02 AM
Time and physio is what worked for me.

I had a separated sacroilliac (not the same. but it's still a pain in the a**) from a minor car accident. No problem at the time but two days later, I couldn't even walk without help.

Only advice I can give is if they do suggest physio, don't stop until the regiment is done, even if it feels like it's better.

You only get one body, take care of it and hope you feel better.

B16Enk
07-31-2006, 08:23 AM
I have had great success with a Chiropractor.

Injured myself picking my bike up, it weighed over 300Kg whilst I'm a mere 5'8" 150lbs, took two days for my body to realise what it had done and then it took valium and painkillers before I could get out of bed.

Sciatica was the lesser of the injuries I had sustained, but my Chiro put it all straight in short order http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HayateAce
07-31-2006, 09:19 AM
Chuck, you can get well if you want to. Alternate these two therapies and stop lifting things for 4 to 6 months.


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strider1
07-31-2006, 09:58 AM
Try some on-line research for foods and supplements that are anti-inflammatory in effect (such as omega 3 fatty acids, etc) as well as foods that cause inflamation of body tissues in general---lots of info is readily available. Avoid the fast or processed foods (JUNK!) as they have components that inflame tissues. Use in conjunction with the above wise suggestions about stretching, mild exercise targeted at the problem area (once you have recovered a bit and have the inflammation issue under control). Lift nothing over 10 kg and even then use proper technique---bend your knees and move your feet to turn--don't twist! Accept the fact that you cannot perform as prior to the injury, no matter how much rehab, diet, etc.--never! Oh, and use proper posture when sitting in front of your rig and blasting enmys--no slouching which will misalign your spine more, cause deterioration of the exact muscles you need in good shape for your spinal health and ruin your enjoyment of life in general. Take breaks in between missions, get up and stretch out, small walk through the house or down the taxi-way! Gives you an opportunity to devise ever-more devious strategies tocome home in 1 piece! Seriously, the diet thing is very important in this. Best of luck!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Strider1

Lucius_Esox
07-31-2006, 10:18 AM
Aghh, another sciatica sufferer. Mine came about through a weightlifting injury many years back, but, like yours, seems to come and go.

Hayatace above has covered the two methods I use to kep it at bay and to be honest inactivity brings it on for me.... Hmmm IL2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I have a packet of pretty powerfull anti inflamitry's (spelling ?) called Diclofenic for when it kicks off. I take this in conjunction with mild excercise of the type described above and this has cut my out time down.

I get exactly the same thing though. One minute I can be in pain thinking about how I can get to work, then do something happens (still don't know what?) and it's gone,,, magic! Must just release the pressure on the nerve http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As I say, for me, inactivity seems to be the greatest cause.

sparty7200
07-31-2006, 10:24 AM
yup!..got it ..had it...always gonna have it!..depends on the severity tho...gentle exercise only when there is no pain...easy walking and swimming..need to help get ur spine supple!..you may find as you get older ..if u do nothing about it the frequency of sciatica will increase and may even lie u flat on ur back for a month or 2!..NO heavy lifting EVER....always lift properly not from the waist! and always ask for help with lifting if u think its too much!... My father was a mechanic mainly ..his favourite trick was to stand on the wing's of a car...and lift the engine up n out with chains around the engine block..this was when he was early 20's!..must have done the damage then......only caught up with him when he was 44..had a bath...ping ....finally went....2 slipped discs 1 each way catchin both nerves....12 months it took to get him right again!...So ..morale.....take it easy..right now u gettin the alarm bells!..take notice m8....it HURTS more!..hope u get better! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

blakduk
07-31-2006, 09:17 PM
Chuck- it sounds like you might have a herniated disc in your spine. Basically a disc is a bag of fluid that acts as a shock absorber between the vertebra. If you over stress it the walls of the disc weaken and it starts to bulge outward. If it bulges in the direction of a nerve and presses on it you get the symptoms you describe. Once that weakness is there it is permanent- so that's what your doctors mean by saying there isnt much you can do about it. They cant go in and surgically repair it and they dont repair themselves.
I would guess that when you damaged it a few years ago the symptoms relieved gradually. Over time if there is no undue stress on the disc the bulging will (usually) decrease. Also, the nerve becomes inflamed when it's irritated by the bulging disc. Anti-inflammatory drugs will help reduce this inflamation but not the original cause- therefore they should be used cautiously and only for as long as they are needed. Simple anti-infammatories like aspirin, paracetamol, or ibuprofen are quite good. They wont get rid of the pain completely but will help reduce it. Read the packaging and dont overdo it- they can have very nasty side-effects if used incorrectly.
Listen to the others- stop lifting heavy objects, especially ones that are awkward to handle (such as furniture). If you do have to lift anything, heavy or small, bend your knees rather than your back.
When sitting, sit up straight with a lumber support- especially when gaming or driving.
Go for walks (DONT RUN, it will overstress your spine).
Go swimming, but dont dive in. Be aware that with swimming you may initially get increased sciatica if your muscle tone hasnt been too good to start with. People with poor muscle tone who start to exercise will initially have muscles that become inflamed when exercise is resumed. Persevere with the light exercise however and it will improve.
I hope that helps and you get some relief.

Jester_159th
07-31-2006, 09:55 PM
I've had a back injury that's kept me off work for over three years now. Constant pain in the back and down the right leg. I know exactly what you're going through and you have my sympathies.

I'd seriously suggest you see a specialist before embarking on any exercise regieme. Always best to make sure you know exactly what you're dealing with before starting a course of treatment. If you don't you possibly risk wasting time before starting the necessary treatment, and in a worse case scenario, you risk further inflaming the injury and lengthening your recovery time. This I know from painful experience since by trying to exercise and keep working I've ended up with damage they can't repair.

Having said that, Blakduk's advice seems pretty good to me ( in fact he sounds just like a physiotherapist I was seeing after I picked up the intial injury).

PBNA-Boosher
07-31-2006, 10:10 PM
Even though I'm only 18, I speak from personal experience. I've injured my back lifting things (even when I do my best not to and wear a back brace) and my father's had a slipped disc for many, many years. My grandmother's also got a horrible back problem, she needed surgery a while back.
Swimming definitely helps. Always wear a back brace when lifting things. Make sure you always have ready access to ice-packs AND heat packs. If the pain does start to come, before it gets severe, lie face-down on the floor and do small "superman" stretches. (lift arms and legs off the floor so you're "flying like superman") Get up slowly. Don't be a superhero when it comes to your back, you'll regret it.

Esel1964
07-31-2006, 10:48 PM
I agree with Blakduk,it sounds like a herniated disc.I've got 3: C-5(neck),T-10(middle back),& L-5 (lower back).
The pain you describe,is exactly like my L-5 disc-have you had an MRI?

The 'supplement' MSM can provide good relief(you need alot),but I developed 'tolerance'(it stopped helping) after 10 months.

Good luck and best wishes.

56th BMAC
07-31-2006, 11:30 PM
Blakduk's got it nailed. From my own experience, I suffered through what you're describing for several years before I had an orthopedic surgeon I used to do work for take a look at it. Had an MRI done and there it was.... bulging disk pressing against the nerve root. We tried the conservative route for a while: Lots of ice, physical therapy, no lifting, no running, making sure to keep the beer belly under control. When that didn't work we progressed to a series of epidural steroid injections. These gave temporary relief, but within several months the pain and radiculopathy (shooting pains down the leg) would return. Then it was time for surgery. He didn't like operating on the back, so he hooked me up with a neurosurgeon who went in and removed only the part of the herniated disk that was pressing against the nerve root, leaving the rest of the disk in place to maintain the structural integrity of the spine. No more nerve problems from the moment I woke up in the recovery room. Ten years later everything is still fine. Sure I still have back pain, but that's to be expected with four degenerated lumbar disks. But the nerve problems have never returned. My recommendation is to have your family doctor hook you up with someone who can fix your problems, but let him/her know you want to exhaust all treatments before having surgery. Hopefully you'll get better with conservative treatment. If not, spinal surgery has come a long way even in the ten years since I had mine. The kind of surgery I had is now a day surgery procedure with quicker recovery time. I know how you feel; I hope you get better real soon. Good luck!!!

Mysticpuma2003
08-01-2006, 02:11 AM
Chuck...I feel your hurt. I'm 39 now, got my when I was 17. Picked a telegraph pole up between two of us, no problems. Later that evening turned to walk out of a door, and lost the feeling in my legs for about a second.

Now, I just have a dull ache down the back of my buttock and into the rear of my thigh.

It just nags, and nags, but I have resigned myself to the fact that, I'm breathing and life goes on!

Good luck though with whatever you try.

Cheers, MP.

Chuck_Older
08-01-2006, 07:24 AM
Thanks for all the replies and support

Today- almost no pain. My calf aches a little, it will be gone by the time I get out of the shower. The nice thing is that for the rest of the next two weeks, I'm off work on a restful relaxation vacation, my first in three years

The way my leg hurts today, it could even BE a pulled muscle, which I hadn't considered, but I'm not counting on it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Don't worry about the lifting- although picking things up cannot be avoided (I ask for help with stupid heavy things now, my buddy Brian's helping me remove my [huge] muscle car hood thursday, instead of me doing it alone), I was a pro package handler for the better part of ten years, I know the drill http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Painkillers are not something I like, I have a high tolerance for that stuff, heck I could always even drink more than anyone my size, and the two aspirin that get rid of a headache for others doesn't touch mine. The surgeries I've had, the locals they gave me barely kept me out, and I even recall an anathesiologist's panicked face. and the blurted words, 'doctor, he's woken up!'. The last one, I woke up about 15 minutes into post-op, should have been two hours. The morphine drip the nights before? Useless, they only allow six little doses before it automatically shuts off for a while. I avoid pharmacueticals, so no worries on the bad side effects- it won't happen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Box-weasel
08-02-2006, 09:25 PM
Hip flexion

Stand in front of a mirror and while keeping the rest of your body straight, slowly shift your hip to its side then return to straight erect. Then shift the other hip the other way and repeat. Go slowly and deliberately. 10x day/

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Full Press Ups

€ Lie face down on the floor, elbows bent and hands up by the chest, elbows bent, palms facing forwards.
€ Raise your body up by straightening the arms, keeping your body straight as a plank.
€ Once you have reached the top of the Press Up and your arms have straightened out, hold for a second and slowly lower back down to the starting position.
€ Repeat this for 3-5 repetitions, more if you are comfortable, making sure that you have your abdominal muscles tensed throughout the exercise.
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Lay in bed on your back and slowly bring one knee up and across your body using both hands to assist. Do a few times, then the other knee.
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Lay in bed on your back with feet on mattress and your knees bent. Place a large airball like your see in bins in Walmart between your knees and squeeze your knees together, gradually increasing the pressure until you feel a pop in your lower back

REMEMBER, with all of these never progress past the point of pain. All these can gently shift your disks back into alignment. Stay away from chiropods.

SkyChimp
08-02-2006, 10:02 PM
Ah, something I actually know something about.

I'm an insurance claims adjuster and review treatment for it every day. Additionally, I suffered ruptured L4-L5 and L5-S1 disks back in November of 2005 caused by lifting heavy batteries out of my boat. I actually heard these disks pop.

Funny thing was, the pain didn't set in right away. It hurt a little and I paused wondering if I had actually hurt myself. I felt OK and kept working. The next morning, I couldn't get out of bed. I had a pain starting high on my left butt cheek, which ran down the back of my thigh, through my knee and into my calf.

I'm telling you, it was the worst pain of my life. It felt like someone took a knife and cut my leg open from hip to ankle. My left calf cramped up. It stayed cramped 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for a month. The bottom outside half of my left foot went numb. I had to sleep on the floor. I got no more than about an hour or two of sleep at night. When I woke up in the morning, the pain was at its worst. I had to have help getting up. I actually passed out twice due to pain, once when coughing, and once while taking a ****. I screamed out load on several occasions. Have you ever heard someone say they "saw stars?" It actually happened to me. A couple of time pain hit me so bad I saw white flashes of light.

I saw an orthopedic a few days after the injury. He put me on a steroid dose pack which was intended to decrease inflammation of the sciatic nerve. It actually made things worse. I went back a few weeks later and the orthopedic decided an MRI was necessary. I had that on a Friday. On the following Monday he called me and told me I needed emergency surgery the next day. The disks were so badly ruptured and the nerve so badly impinged that I risked permanent nerve damage. I actually had the surgery the next Friday, exactly one week after my MRI. When I was lying in the gurney before surgery, the doctor came out to mark my back. I couldn't roll over for him without help. And once he marked my back, I couldn't roll back. They had to give me morphine and oxygen.

I remember being rolled into the operating room and seeing the table. I had to lying face down on the table. It was shaped so my *** would be up in the air. I told the doc there was no way I could get on it. He told me not to worry; they would do all the heavy lifting. The anesthesiologist injected my IV. My arm started to freeze. Next thing I know I'm waking up in the recovery room. 100% pain free.

To this date, I've been pain free. I have only the slightest twinges of pain every now and then, mainly in my back. My left little toe is still numb, but the rest of me is back to normal. I have a 2-3 inch scar on my lower back.

My sciatic pain was life altering. I never experienced anything like it. Even today, I simply can€t relate to how bad it was and have difficulty remembering it. No one really believes me when I tell them how bad it was. I€ve broken major bones, had a nose injury, been kicked in the nuts €" and I would gladly take all of those, at the same time, instead of even one day of the sciatic pain I had. At its worst, I was taking 2 Oxycodone (Percocet) every 4 hours which was a double does twice as frequently as directed. I was also taking 8 Motrin or Aspirin (alternating) every 6 hours. And that barely controlled the pain. I could only take baby steps when I walked. Driving was impossible.

The strange thing was the more I moved around, the better I felt. Once I got moving, I didn€t want to stop. Motion actually decreases inflammation.

I also tried an exercise that helped. I would lie on the floor on my stomach with my legs straight out behind me. I would cross one leg over the other (sort of like a figure 4), then push up with my arm while keeping my belt buckle on the floor. This compresses the lumbar discs and can relieve pain. Doing this would give me a about an hour or so of some relief, then I would have to do it again.

Ultimately, the only thing that helped was a double microdiskectomy. That actually cured me. A microdiskectomy involves an incision in the back over the spine. The doctor inserts a tool (a scope with a suction device, and a cutter) and he trims away the portion of the disk that ruptured and sucks away the nucleus that leaked out onto the nerve. You get sewed up and go home with a bandage on your back. The sciatic pain relief is immediate. Your back pain may never go away, though mine is almost completely gone. The surgery leaves you with a nearly intact disk (about 95% intact). Eventually the disk will heal and rehydrate. I currently have no restrictions and do everything I did before €" even lifting the same batteries that hurt me initially. I€m definitely more careful about how I lift and follow the adage €œlift with your legs, not with your back.€ I was out of work for 1 week due to the surgery €" but I could have gone back sooner. I had the surgery on a Friday. The following Tuesday I felt so good I shampooed all the carpets in my house. I consider that surgery and the doctor that did it God-sent.

PM me if you want more information. I€d even be happy to talk to you on the phone if you want.

SkyChimp
08-02-2006, 10:17 PM
BTW, I think you need to have an MRI. If you've had one but its been awhile, you need a new one. Many causes of sciatic pain, like herniated disks, are dynamic - in other words, they change. You could have had a bulging disk last year that could have since ruptured. You need an MRI to accurately diagnose your pain.

If you don't have a herniated disk, but rather a bulge (aka protrusion), non-invasive treatment like physical therapy or chiropractic can be of great help.

You could also consider an epidural injection - just like a woman in labor has. This is where anesthetic medication is injected directly onto the sciatic nerve. Even though its medication, it CAN BE a permanent cure, because it can reduce the pain enough for you to work it out.

If you have a mechanical impingement, like a herniated disk, injection can be tricky. They can relieve the pain, but they can also impinge the nerve more. I had a friend who got an epidural injetion due to a herniate disk and his leg became paralyzed - because the medication added to the mass impinging the nerve. He had to have emergency surgery to relieve it. If you have a mechaical impingement, surgery is probably the only sure cure. Disckectomys are out-patient procedures and take about 45 minutes to perform. You are up and back home the same day. Depending on your job, you can go back to work in a few days (with temporary limitations, of course). Relief is usually instantneous.

But, see a doctor. I like chiropractors, but you need to see an orthopaedic back specialist first to get your problem diagnosed. He can then advise you on treatment.

DocD1960
08-02-2006, 10:55 PM
Chuck,
Being a chiropractor for close to 20 years I've treated the problem you speak of many, many times and with great success. It sounds as if you have more of a bulge as SkyChimp mentioned as opposed to a rupture. Typically the rupture tends to bring on constant pain that rarely can be alleviated by repositioning your body. With a bulge you can normally find a good position that eases the pain. As mentioned already, walking and swimming are excellent as is stretching but they need to wait until the situation at hand is under control. Most patients find that ice helps a tremendous amount but it needs to be applied correctly, no more than 30 minutes at a time and at least 45 minutes to an hour before reapplying. Always place a cloth between you and the ice pack, never place the ice pack on the bare skin. I like the gel packs because they tend to stay really cold for only about 20 to 30 minutes.
A good chiro will do a thorough consultation, history, examination consisting of physical and x-rays before treating you. The worse thing most patients do is put off doing anything for so many years that the problem (misaligned spine/pelvis creating the bulging disc) progressively worsens. Years of neglecting proper treatment can create severe disablities and permanent damage.
As a side-note I too have suffered from sciatica and it can make life miserable, but thanks to some life-style changes (walking, stretching, weight management) and my chiro (my brother) I'm essentially painfree. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions at all.
Take care of yourself, you only get one body.
BTW, all I've mentioned is IF you have a disc bulge, a rupture is a different beast altogether and a neurosurgeon would be your best bet.

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