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Xiolablu3
08-17-2008, 03:54 AM
Hope the story is good too..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJghJNAjc1k


EDIT : Just looked it up on IMDB and its been slated by most reviewers from Germany with an average of 5/10. Damn. Apparantly its almost totally fictionalised the story of Richthofens life. Fools.

Xiolablu3
08-17-2008, 04:20 AM
Oh dear...

'Author: Ralfscheapthrill from Berlin


Few days ago I read an interview with Schweigh÷fer in which he's wondering why "The Red Baron" didn't get any subsidies. "Maybe they didn't like the script". They were right! And I don't think, the script was too controversial... I wish, it'd be. It's a pity that private financed productions like "As far as my feet will carry me" or even Vilsmaier's "Marlene" and now "The Red Baron" have producer's that are obviously willing to make the best movies they can, even without public money. they spent their budget on the cast, effects, good looks but they don't have a clue what to do with their values. They hire authors and directors who turn out to be just unable to cope with their projects. And most of the critics just complain about historical facts... I don't get it. It's a movie! But a badly told one. If you want to make a movie about a world war pilot who tries to be the best, then tell us, how he does it. And not in the main case, how he tries to win a nurse's heart! There are a lot of good love stories around, but THIS is the story of guy who liked to fly and shoot down enemies. If you pick it, stick to it. Don't be ashamed of your choice. It's quite funny to see a few quite impressing battle scenes, but the battles that mattered for the story are simply ignored. They get on the plane. Cut. Hospital. Everything that matters in the story is in the dialogs, not in actions. And even the important dialogs are filmed in cowardly undramatic distant shots... A waste of talent, chances and money.'


'It's a German version of that dreadful Hollywood flop "Flying Boy". Immediately after you sat down in a theater, you are overwhelmed by the generous usage of CGI , while being flabbergasted by total lack of any tenable plot.Although I don't want to complain about "historical fact", it gets my nerve to watch a young and lanky German actor (whose acting indeed is not bad at all) plays a short and stout Manfred Con Richtofen. On the other hand , tall and aggressive younger brother Rothar was portrayed by an almost effeminate youthful actor.Worse still, Til Schweiger plays Werner Voss who was 5 years younger than the Baron..Herrgott! I don't want to mention about the fact that Boelcke, Goering, and Allmenroder ,whose lives were indispensables to portray the life of the Red Baron, were totally omitted in this movie. What was matter with a person who casted these actors and screenwriter who wrote such a delusional script? There is no single shred of realism and I am afraid of saying that there might have been no exertion to portray real historical people whose lives were certainly much more interesting and dramatic than those depicted in this movie. And ..those pacifist message the Baron constantly delivered!!give me a break!! The Baron was a professional soldier , not war-conscript and he himself said everything else was nonsense other than shooting down an enemy in dogfight..He was certainly not as bloodthirsty and aggressive as Berthold , but certainly not the one depicted in the movie,either. This movie is just a good example of movie made by those who lost their past and live in historical amnesia.real tragedy indeed! '

'Too bad for all that effort put in the movie. German producer spend / raised some 18 Million Euros, to make a movie about THE flying ace of WWI - Der Red Baron. Why didn't they spend some money on a decent script? The film starts off with a band, you lean back in your seat and think, this is gonna be fun, well at least for the first 15 minutes, then, well, then there is simply not a story in the film. We jump from one air battle scene into the next, who cares that those old planes have a speed like they have to battle the death star in Star Wars.... Worst is, and its not a spoiler, the end, when the baron dies, this segment is told OFF screen. No battle, no nothing. You have the feeling they ran out of money. Casting wise, a huge mistake trying to connect the hero with his lady. Headey & Schweighoeffer don't match, there is NO believable connection between them. Not for one second you understand the love they should feel for each other. She is simply too old, he is too young. Schweighoeffer plays great, so does the rest of the cast, except Fiennes. The poor fellow has simply not one good scene for himself. He was just cast to give an international flair to the pic. Too sad, for what could have made a great story....'

Bewolf
08-17-2008, 04:23 AM
Let's put it this way. Upon finding out the movie's first airing in our local cinema complex was to be within an event called "Lady's night" that movie died for me.

R_Target
08-17-2008, 08:11 AM
Everybody was too busy hating Flyboys last year to realize that Der Rote Baron is garbage too.

Blutarski2004
08-17-2008, 08:27 AM
Sad news. It sounds to me as if they entrusted the script to writers who had absolutely no understanding or affection for the man or the period. That "Pearl Harbor" monstrosity with Ben Affleck should have served as a BIG warning sign.

Films like "Blackhawk Down" and "Letter from Iwo Jima" showed that it was possible to focus upon the men who fought and still deliver a very successful commercial product.

DuxCorvan
08-17-2008, 09:13 AM
That CGI demo is the best from the film, and even so, I never really liked that unrealistic show of a really crowded sky with lots of choreographed crossings and moves and mindless speed. Too much spectacle to make the suspension of disbelief work.

K_Freddie
08-17-2008, 09:33 AM
The usual artistic license, to make it 'unbelievably exciting' as possible.
'Unbelievable' being the operative word.

This is the exact reason why I found 'Letters from Iwo Jima' a very good film... None of the unbelievable nonsense was present.
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Xiolablu3
08-17-2008, 11:21 AM
Really odd how they cannot make films like 'Aces High' and 'The Blue Max' any more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Peppard in the Blue Max makes a far better Richthofen character than the 'real' Red Baron in this loved up sounding mush.

They should have watched a film of real WW1 fighters flying to realise they dont fly at 500mph. Also a few bullets would not make a plane burst into flames...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy4e0P6DNWw&feature=related

Jaws2002
08-18-2008, 12:36 AM
I loved the Howard Hughes Hells Angels:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8wmyCcbnX0&feature=related http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Can't beat a movie about pilots made by a pilot.

WTE_Galway
08-18-2008, 01:08 AM
In recent years there has been nothing to compete with "Dark Blue World" .

Even with the obligatory romance that all movies must have these days (and the Hispano 109 G6 footage) .. it is still in my opinion the best aviation movie of the last 20 years.

theDutchman1962
08-18-2008, 02:02 AM
Has ANYONE actually SEEN it???

Bewolf
08-18-2008, 02:27 AM
Actually the Regisseur stated that he wanted to move away from the typical grim and too serious german movies and wanted to created something light and entertaining. That obviously doesn't work with heavy stuff like war movies.

BSS_Goat
08-18-2008, 07:13 AM
Me thinks its gonna suck.......

Blutarski2004
08-18-2008, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by Bewolf:
Actually the Regisseur stated that he wanted to move away from the typical grim and too serious german movies and wanted to created something light and entertaining. That obviously doesn't work with heavy stuff like war movies.


..... "Hey guys, I want to make a light and entertaining movie! Any ideas about a good theme?"

"Ummm, how about WW1 !?!"

"GREAT IDEA !!!"

Krt_Bong
08-18-2008, 12:14 PM
Funny, but if more of these idiots making history movies were gamers they would have got it right because they would've had too. They'd never be able to live it down on these or any other sim-forum. Next time bring the script to us and maybe Monty Dan, or Glowing Ammram they make better sim movies than Hollywood can with $.millions in CGI with a Flight sim and NO actors.

waffen-79
08-18-2008, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by Krt_Bong:
Funny, but if more of these idiots making history movies were gamers they would have got it right because they would've had too. They'd never be able to live it down on these or any other sim-forum. Next time bring the script to us and maybe Monty Dan, or Glowing Ammram they make better sim movies than Hollywood can with $.millions in CGI with a Flight sim and NO actors.

QFT

R_Target
08-18-2008, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
..... "Hey guys, I want to make a light and entertaining movie! Any ideas about a good theme?"

"Ummm, how about WW1 !?!"

"GREAT IDEA !!!"

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WTE_Galway
08-18-2008, 04:55 PM
I always found it interesting that whilst WWII has been the source of many comedies ranging from TV shows like Hogan's Heroes and Dad's Army through to movies such as Catch 22 and Kelly's Heroes .... the number of comedies based on WWI are few and far between.

steiner562
08-18-2008, 06:18 PM
It can't be as bad as Flyboys surely.

BOA_Allmenroder
08-19-2008, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Really odd how they cannot make films like 'Aces High' and 'The Blue Max' any more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Peppard in the Blue Max makes a far better Richthofen character than the 'real' Red Baron in this loved up sounding mush.

They should have watched a film of real WW1 fighters flying to realise they dont fly at 500mph. Also a few bullets would not make a plane burst into flames...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy4e0P6DNWw&feature=related

Actually the movie the Blue Max took serious liberties with the plot line of the book.

And a few shots could light the plane on fire since the fuel tanks were not protected and many, including Richtofen, used/loaded 100% incendiary ammo specifically to light up the other a/c if they hit the fuel tank.

So it's possible and Richtofen did 'light some up' with very few shots : Maj Barker's demise #79 on the early evening of April 20th, 1918 is one such example.

DuxCorvan
08-19-2008, 08:44 AM
WW1 planes were frames covered with stretched flammable fabric, which was covered and tightened with some highly flammable lacquers and then covered with highly flammable varnishes and paints. Add sparky engines, overheated flashy guns, exposed ammo, scorching bullet cases, boiling radiators, short exhausts, non-sealed fuel tanks, lots of oil everywhere... and you'll realize it isn't hard at all to make those things burn with a few shots, and sometimes even without shots at all. An awful business, since those guys rarely or never carried chutes. If you were in fire, you could only die a horrible way, or jump out the pit to the relief of a sure and sudden death -just like Raoul Lufbery did.

Xiolablu3
08-19-2008, 08:45 AM
Yeah but not EVERY time as in the clip I posted of The Red Baron.

DuxCorvan
08-19-2008, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Yeah but not EVERY time as in the clip I posted of The Red Baron.

Well, that clip is really 'overdoing' it. Looks like something from the last Star Wars films, but with old planes instead of space ships.

Xiolablu3
08-19-2008, 08:50 AM
Actually this trailer doesnt make it look too bad, at least not as cheesy as FLyboys...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er--DLaG7SM&feature=related

At least parts of it look vaguely historical.

It was the story which really killed Flyboys for me, it was like the most basic comic book story which I read time after time (told in different theatres and people but always the same story) as a kid in the comic book 'Commando War stories in Pictures'....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_Comics

Friends go to war, 'bad German' kills friend, man falls in love and swears revenge, big battle, 'Hero' kills 'bad German' in the showdown.

Its just the most shallow, easy, childish story ever made, and its been told thousands of times.

If Flyboys had a twisting, weaving, interesting story as in 'Aces High' or 'The Blue Max', then I would have been very happy with it.

These guys MUST remember to use a good story, and not use all the money on effects.

After watching that trailer, I still think I may enjoy 'The Red Baron', surely more than 'Flyboys'. As long as it has a vaguely interesting story which I cannot guess the whole film within the first 20 minutes of the film, then it will be worth watching for me.

BOA_Allmenroder
08-19-2008, 11:14 AM
Re: Blue Max,

Aside from the character of Bruno being ruthless, very very little in movie tracks with the book plot line.

For example, Bruno lives, Herr Hauptmann dies.
Bruno discovers the new plane has a weakness and doesn't tell the other guy about it and he goes up and dies.

And Bruno murders Willie as well.

MadMacgunner
08-19-2008, 11:54 AM
Well....might be...
But for the trailer, i┬┤m sure it┬┤s anothersilly film, as flyboys, pearl harbour....
Planes with engines of 80,90,110 hp climbing like angels, dives at unsound speeds for a plane of the period or diving whitout the problem of engines stoping for negative Gs...
Manfred with a girl...(No woman was knownto Manfred apart his mother)..Yes, it coul be a real good film...if you have no brain,don┬┤t like planes or don┬┤t know WWI history..
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cawimmer430
08-19-2008, 12:26 PM
Best thing about Der Rote Baron?

LENA HEADY http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

There's a reason I am dying to watch Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles - Lena Heady and Summer Glau... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Xiolablu3
08-19-2008, 04:18 PM
Hows her German in the film?

Can you notice a British accent?


http://imaginativewomen.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/lena-headey-51.jpg

Doolittle81
08-19-2008, 05:00 PM
If you'd like to see a good movie about biplane aviation combat, I recommend <span class="ev_code_red">"Faith, Hope, and Charity"</span> (http://www.wingmenproductions.com/content/index.html). Not the Big Screen, it is merely an IL2-based PC movie...but many have found that it stands up very well in comparison to Hollywood's MegaMillionBucks movies...such as Pearl Harbor, Flyboys, etc. [I'm witholding judgement on Red Baron until I see it.]

Blutarski2004
08-20-2008, 06:13 AM
Originally posted by cawimmer430:
Best thing about Der Rote Baron?

LENA HEADY http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

There's a reason I am dying to watch Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles - Lena Heady and Summer Glau... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif


..... It's just not the same without Aaahnold!

M_Gunz
08-20-2008, 06:39 AM
WWI Albatross had monocoque <sp> fuselage and not fabric over frame.
The better framed planes used steel tube frame as well.

And then there were the Junkers metal planes starting with the J1 in 1915.


During 1917"ö18 three all-metal Junkers airplanes entered service in the German air force:

* The J 1 armored biplane for close observation of enemy troop movements. Though underpowered, the J 1 was one of the most strikingly clean and modern-looking biplanes of the war, with no wires or struts between its metal wings. Visit the following Web site to see a photo of this pioneering biplane:
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* The D 1 monoplane fighter, startling in its similarity to what would become the norm for fighters 20 years later, with its single low wing and metal skin. Visit the following Web site to see a photo of this advanced WWI fighter:
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* The two-seater CL 1 ground attack monoplane, a two-seat version of the D 1 fighter.

The last one had skin with a degree of armor protection from bullets but too few, too late.

And there are accounts from survivors who put fires out in high speed dives in the wood and
fabric planes. You had to do that before the fire developed though.

cawimmer430
08-20-2008, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Hows her German in the film?

Can you notice a British accent?


http://imaginativewomen.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/lena-headey-51.jpg


I have not seen the film yet (will rent it soon) but just the trailer and some screenshots. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

cawimmer430
08-20-2008, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cawimmer430:
Best thing about Der Rote Baron?

LENA HEADY http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

There's a reason I am dying to watch Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles - Lena Heady and Summer Glau... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif


..... It's just not the same with Aaahnold! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. Why do people have to get old!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

But Summer Glau...mmmm...female terminatrix. She can terminate me anytime. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Blutarski2004
08-20-2008, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by cawimmer430:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cawimmer430:
Best thing about Der Rote Baron?

LENA HEADY http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

There's a reason I am dying to watch Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles - Lena Heady and Summer Glau... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif


..... It's just not the same with Aaahnold! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. Why do people have to get old!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

But Summer Glau...mmmm...female terminatrix. She can terminate me anytime. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... I know you understood that I meant to say that things just weren't the same withOUT Aaahnold. My bad.

AS for Summer Glau, please post a few more of your fantastic photo essays before you let her "terminate" you.

Xiolablu3
08-21-2008, 09:15 AM
Just one thing, I had assumed it would be in German and dubbed in English.

My mistake, guess Lena Headeys German doesnt matter after all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif*

waffen-79
08-21-2008, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
http://imaginativewomen.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/lena-headey-51.jpg

QFT

hawtz0rness deserves to be reposted

I'm a regular fan of Sarah Connor chronicles, a fan of 300 and when I knew she was appaering in Der Rote Baron it was a blast!

Some say she's old but I'll buy her a drink ANYTIME

about DRB movie, just saw and I liked it