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PanzerAce
08-04-2008, 10:52 AM
So, as a follow up to my 'what mods are you using' thread, now is the 'What new planes would you like to see in the sim?' thread.

For me: The P-61 and He-100, which held the world record for level speed in a prop plane until Rare Bear cme along, and over a 100km course did 634.32kph, with a DB601a engine (though there is debate as to if it was a stock engine or modified for this flight)

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stalkervision
08-04-2008, 11:10 AM
I's love to have the He-100. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG52Uther
08-04-2008, 11:43 AM
Do17 and 217,and the Lancaster

Uufflakke
08-04-2008, 11:48 AM
I would like to see a Do-17 but the one with the experimental flamethrower in the tail. I think it would be fun to play online when having someone at my six. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/Do-17.jpg

Metatron_123
08-04-2008, 11:53 AM
Won't be so fun when you discover it doesn't work very well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I'm waiting for the Spitfire XIV, and hopefully some italian planes: Regianne 2000/2001/2005, Fiat G55, SM 79, maybe some British heavy bombers...

I_KG100_Prien
08-04-2008, 11:56 AM
JU-88C

Somewhere there is a complete cockpit and model done by the same guy who did the A4 what we have now..

Like others- despite being finished it just wasn't included by 1C.

stalkervision
08-04-2008, 12:03 PM
lippisch P-13a http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvtxjSrImHw


http://www.kheichhorn.de/assets/images/lippsketch.jpg

RegRag1977
08-04-2008, 12:34 PM
1)Ki44 (the most important)

2)Typhoon (early Mk if possible)

3)Bf109G10/14 with 20mm nose canon option should not be too hard to do...

.....Do17, He219 would be cool too... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

JG52Uther
08-04-2008, 12:42 PM
Beautiful pic Uufflakke http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rjel
08-04-2008, 12:57 PM
I'd like to see the Typhoon, more Italian fighters as mentioned, a couple of the missing Japanese fighters like the Tojo, P-47N, P-51H and my dream plane would be the XP-72 with Counter rotating props. Other than that, I don't care much. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Skunk_438RCAF
08-04-2008, 12:58 PM
Typhoon Mk.Ib late.

Wildnoob
08-04-2008, 01:57 PM
the most important in my opinion. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Nakajima_B5N2_Kate_in_flight.jpg

US navy witout it's main torpedo bomber from 1942 until the end of the war?!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Grumman_TBF_Avenger.jpg

the imperial japanese army air service without it's main bomber aircraft as flyable?!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Mitsubishi_Ki_21-2s.jpg

how we gonna recreat sino japanese war without IJN's main aircraft? and by the way, IJA have it's aircraft of the same time - the KI-27. this is the main reason in my view for a flyable A5M.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/A5M_Claude.jpg

jarink
08-04-2008, 02:16 PM
I personally probably won't use it much, but I'm looking forward to the P-61. There is a lot of time and effort being put into that project and I think it will show just what is really possible and set a new standard of quality for mods.

Sturmtrooper
08-04-2008, 02:42 PM
P-61 Black Widow.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
08-04-2008, 02:58 PM
P-61, Whirlwind, Do17, anything else those geniuses come up with!

R_Target
08-04-2008, 04:05 PM
I'm waiting for an F8F, but I'm afraid it will be a long wait. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://i38.tinypic.com/2vcc49c.jpg

Dead stop to 10,000ft in 98 seconds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

LEXX_Luthor
08-04-2008, 06:09 PM
F-82, to escort B-29s from SAC bases in England to Moscow, with a full size map that runs smoothly since there is no need for map "details" at 35,000ft. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

WeedEater9p
08-05-2008, 02:55 AM
Lancaster, Do-17Z, Spit Mk.XIV, P-47N, P-40N,F,L, Wellington, Radar-110s, Ju-88C, Sea Hurricanes, 109s and Ju-87s w/ tailhooks, etc. etc.

Jure_502
08-05-2008, 06:48 AM
He-219 and Lancaster http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif oh, and Do-17 also makes me emm...akhm...wet (?) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-05-2008, 06:59 AM
Whirly, of course. On the way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Would love a Vickers Wellesley, but realise I might be in for a long wait for that one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

CUJO_1970
08-05-2008, 07:01 AM
FW190F-9 Panzerblitz.

Friendly_flyer
08-05-2008, 08:43 AM
A Whirly, I wouldn't mind a Stringbag either.

Bremspropeller
08-05-2008, 09:29 AM
Fw 190F-9 "Panzerblitz" and Fw 190A-3.

Uufflakke
08-05-2008, 09:52 AM
I would like to see an Avro Lancaster Dambuster. But I think it will give the modders some headaches: How to make those high steep dams and the watermass that floods the land after the destruction. And all this debris flying around. Would be amazing to see. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Maybe we will get this option in the future in one of the add-ons of BoB:SoW http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif



http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/Dambuster.jpg

Monty_Thrud
08-05-2008, 10:38 AM
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania/Planes/Spit22Mk22a.jpg
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania/Planes/sunderland_short.jpg
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania/Planes/blenbolfloat.jpg
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//xiv4.bmp

ImMoreBetter
08-05-2008, 12:12 PM
Well it's not really a plane but, the B-17 cockpit/entrials.

And the Whirlwind. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Luke5skywalker4
08-05-2008, 12:37 PM
More versions of the Ju-88

Ju-88 C-6 Fighter Bomber (and sub-variants)

http://members.fortunecity.com/nightfighters/Ju88/Ju88/Ju88-27.jpg

http://members.fortunecity.com/nightfighters/Ju88/Ju88/Ju88-33.jpg

Ju-88 G-6 (FuG 220 radar mounting, 20mm belly gun pod, optional 20mm Shrage Musik)

http://members.fortunecity.com/nightfighters/Ju88/Ju88/Ju88-13.jpg

digglyda
08-05-2008, 01:05 PM
1. Westland Whirlwind http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
2. Handley-page Hampden
3. Northrop P-61 Black Widow
4. Nakajima Ki-44 Shoki 'Tojo'
5. Douglas TBD Devastator
6. Curtiss SBC Helldiver
7. Heinkel He-219 Uhu
8. Dornier Do-17...215...217
9. Martin B-26 Marauder
10.Armstong-whitworth Whitley
11.Fairey Barracuda
12.Boulton Paul Defiant
13.Gloster Meteor
14.Avro Manchester

and...

15.Blohm & Voss BV-141 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Proud to say there are a couple there so obscure that I haven't seen anyone else mention them yet? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif How long do you think I'll have to wait? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Blottogg
08-05-2008, 01:37 PM
Digglyda, nice list! I was wondering about a couple of those myself. I don't think I'd survive long in a Hampden, but I'd like to fly one. I tend to think of "the flying suitcase" as a predecessor to the A-20 in form, if not entirely function.

The Devastator, Helldiver, Tojo and Marauder are all sadly missing from the PF roster. And the Do-17 is about the only thing needed (along with the cross-channel map) to make a decent go of a BoB campaign with the current Il-2 engine.

I'm not as keen on the nightfighters (or their intended targets) because of the sim engines inherent limits. I'm an off-whiner, so the Ai's X-ray vision is a definite problem. The 219 and P-61 WIP shots show a lot of hard work, however.

M_Gunz
08-05-2008, 06:04 PM
SPAD XIII
Fokker DVII
Albatross DVa
Nieuport 28
SE-5A
Fokker DrI (porked, of course)

That would make a nice start.

mike_espo
08-05-2008, 06:19 PM
Love to see more early aircraft....Do-17Z, A5M Claude, B5N Kate, G3M Nell. CR.32, SM.79 Spaviero

And of course..... BR.20 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Bearcat99
08-05-2008, 06:20 PM
I have rephrased the title of this thread because as it was it was technically a mod request.. which should be posted at AAA.



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DaddyAck
08-05-2008, 08:43 PM
Why do we need new planes? We already have the sexiest of them all the Bf.109! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Rjel
08-05-2008, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by DaddyAck:
Why do we need new planes? We already have the sexiest of them all the Bf.109! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Sexiest? Deadliest maybe. Most variants certainly. Sexiest is hard for me to see. But like everything, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

DaddyAck
08-05-2008, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Rjel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DaddyAck:
Why do we need new planes? We already have the sexiest of them all the Bf.109! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Sexiest? Deadliest maybe. Most variants certainly. Sexiest is hard for me to see. But like everything, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Aww c'mon it reaks of raw masculine agression! Its slender mechanical lines devoid of the plesantries of astetics and denote it's purpose as noting else but bread for killing, thereby displaying beauty not inasmuch as the spifire's graceful and elegant shapes but in a more sleek almost wolf-like form following function type of sexyness. I just love the clean lines and the slender prow with low exhaust as opposed to the bouchon 109s that I think look like bloated monstrosities. That and the sound of the DB60X engine is awesome. I love to listen to recordings of them starting, running up, and in fly bys. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif I have been smitten for a long time by In my oppinion what is the ever seductive hunter of the skies, sexiest of all luft Iron the BF.109. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

WTE_Galway
08-05-2008, 09:48 PM
A somewhat different product from Herr Messerschmitt :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/lasermonkey/Messerschmitt%20Bf%20108%20Taifun/bf1088.jpg

DaddyAck
08-05-2008, 10:04 PM
ahh yes, the 108. Good picture I might add. The look of the 108 though does not seem menacing like her kid sister the 109.

KrashanTopolova
08-05-2008, 10:26 PM
I've changed my mind about having any new planes even in 1946. I can see Noobs decimating the entire Japanese and German aerial inventories with an F8F...and after that turning it onto the Russians because of a beginning Cold War...and then turning it onto the British because they want a slice of the world pie at the Potsdam conference...and then they might turn it onto the French because General Petain didn't know his frog egg pate from his Vichy suis...somehow it just would'nt add up.

LEXX_Luthor
08-06-2008, 12:24 AM
Daddy::
Why do we need new planes? We already have the sexiest of them all the Bf.109! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
Sexiest of the sexiest is Bf-109Dora. We are not there yet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Topo::
I've changed my mind about having any new planes even in 1946. I can see Noobs....turning it onto the Russians because of a beginning Cold War...
Yes! http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/Lexx_Luthor/Smileys/Clap.gif

That has never been done in The Sims, at least never out-of-box.


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/Lexx_Luthor/Cockpits/2.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/Lexx_Luthor/Siberian%20Sun/000-2.jpg

BWaltteri
08-06-2008, 01:39 AM
I wish there existed two versions of the game: online and offline versions. Online version would have all the best planes that barely even flew and offline version would concentrate on historical accuracy.

DaddyAck
08-06-2008, 01:50 AM
Originally posted by BWaltteri:
I wish there existed two versions of the game: online and offline versions. Online version would have all the best planes that barely even flew and offline version would concentrate on historical accuracy.

I think that you are right to an extent. I think that sims like this should focus on historical accuracy and not turn into airquake with all the best "uber planes". That being said i think that in HyperLoby one has a choice to fly in servers that TRY to emulate historical match ups and those that are first person shooter settings.

BWaltteri
08-06-2008, 02:02 AM
Yes, the combat pilots never were able to choose their planes, many times they only could do their best against a superior enemy plane.

wayno7777
08-06-2008, 02:28 AM
He 219C and F7F Tigercat ooo ooo and Martin-Baker MB.5 and http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif one more B-26 Marauder

potver
08-06-2008, 02:37 AM
What about this one? Fokker D-XXl!
It,s finished if I remember well.http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/potver/Fokker20D2120replica20Schiphol20198.jpg

Gibbage1
08-06-2008, 03:34 AM
I like this thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

My vote goes to the B-35

http://www.military.cz/usa/air/war/bomber/b35/yb35_21.jpg

Or the Cw-21b?

Blutarski2004
08-06-2008, 05:33 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
SPAD XIII
Fokker DVII
Albatross DVa
Nieuport 28
SE-5A
Fokker DrI (porked, of course)

That would make a nice start.


..... Quite concur.

Bremspropeller
08-06-2008, 05:37 AM
Would bee nice to have an early P-38, say an F,G or H.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Blottogg
08-06-2008, 05:40 AM
The Il-2 engine would be better suited to WWI aircraft than post-WWII types, though apparently even there it had too many limitations for the Gennadich crew. I'm still holding out hope that KotS will see release someday.

The Martin Baltimore is noticably absent in the North Africa campaign, though I don't know how much interest there'd be in flying these.

As long as we're mentioning odd aircraft, how about the USS Macon & F9C Sparrowhawk parasite fighters? There was apparently a mod done for CFS2 years ago, but the links are long since dead, and I don't have CFS2 anyway. Cr@p planes and airships, what's not to like?

M_Gunz
08-06-2008, 07:22 AM
The limits Gennadich hit are more like the new sim must have new graphics limits.

KotS.... some day maybe or maybe Korean Air War.

All companies taking money from outside have to deal with market expectations.
Is WWI air war a viable market? When was the last good WWI air war sim? 10 years ago is when.
Do the marketers see anything but sales to know there is a WWI air war community? I think not.
And yeah I do know of the arcade WWI air war sims out less than 10 years ago, even have one but
they haven't sold so well as to make positive results. Even RB3D had no successor.

GatorSub1942
08-06-2008, 06:07 PM
Which sim are we talking about here? If it's Storm of War, then all I want is:

Spitfire Mk1/Mk2
Hurricane
Messerschmitt 109E
Messerschmitt 110
Heinkel 111
Dornier 17
Ju 87 Stuka
Junkers 88

Anything else is completely unnecessary. I'd rather see them make excellent models of those planes, rather than including the Italian airforce and the like. How many times did the Italians actually fly during the Battle? Did they ever actually get through?

WOLFPLAYER2007
08-06-2008, 08:31 PM
He 177, the Lancaster, a flyable b24, b17 and late war italian planes.

ODB_Duck
08-06-2008, 08:39 PM
I always thought if they were gonna have 109Zs and I-185s in the game the Grumman F8F Bearcat shouldve been included too. There was a squad equipped with it on a carrier and on their way to Japan when the bomb got dropped.

WTE_Galway
08-06-2008, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by GatorSub1942:
Which sim are we talking about here? If it's Storm of War, then all I want is:

Spitfire Mk1/Mk2
Hurricane
Messerschmitt 109E
Messerschmitt 110
Heinkel 111
Dornier 17
Ju 87 Stuka
Junkers 88

Anything else is completely unnecessary. I'd rather see them make excellent models of those planes, rather than including the Italian airforce and the like. How many times did the Italians actually fly during the Battle? Did they ever actually get through?

The thread seems to be about what is missing from IL2.

As far as BoB goes one flight of Italians escorted by CR42 biplanes made a serious attempt but suffered heavy losses.

Your list is fine for online dogfights but misses a number of aircraft that were historically important for creating offline campaigns. Just off the top of my head, the 109D with carby equipped jumo's was still about in fair numbers, one RAF squadron fought with gladiators throughout the battle and there were a number of Blenheim/Beaufighter Squadrons. Not to mention the much maligned Defiants and I even think some Whirlwinds were about.

As far as I know the FAA squadrons tended to fly land based Hurricanes and Spitfires rather than their own Fulmars and Martlets and there was not a lot for the Stringbag's to do either but these aircraft were all still around.

ElAurens
08-06-2008, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by BWaltteri:
I wish there existed two versions of the game: online and offline versions. Online version would have all the best planes that barely even flew and offline version would concentrate on historical accuracy.

I'll take my historical accuracy online thank you very much.

Curtiss Hawk 75 H (fixed gear version)

Curtiss Hawk III

Curtiss-Wright CW-21

Kawanishi H6K "Mavis"

Mitsubishi F1M "Pete"

Mitsubishi KI 30 "Ann"

I could go on, but these will do for starters.

joeap
08-07-2008, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BWaltteri:
I wish there existed two versions of the game: online and offline versions. Online version would have all the best planes that barely even flew and offline version would concentrate on historical accuracy.

I'll take my historical accuracy online thank you very much.

Curtiss Hawk 75 H (fixed gear version)

Curtiss Hawk III

Curtiss-Wright CW-21

Kawanishi H6K "Mavis"

Mitsubishi F1M "Pete"

Mitsubishi KI 30 "Ann"

I could go on, but these will do for starters. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why distinguish between the two? I want historical accuracy for both. If someone wants to fly fantasy planes offline fine. If someone else wants to set up a 24 h Lerche server fine also.

GatorSub1942
08-07-2008, 03:40 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GatorSub1942:
Which sim are we talking about here? If it's Storm of War, then all I want is:

Spitfire Mk1/Mk2
Hurricane
Messerschmitt 109E
Messerschmitt 110
Heinkel 111
Dornier 17
Ju 87 Stuka
Junkers 88

Anything else is completely unnecessary. I'd rather see them make excellent models of those planes, rather than including the Italian airforce and the like. How many times did the Italians actually fly during the Battle? Did they ever actually get through?

The thread seems to be about what is missing from IL2.

As far as BoB goes one flight of Italians escorted by CR42 biplanes made a serious attempt but suffered heavy losses.

Your list is fine for online dogfights but misses a number of aircraft that were historically important for creating offline campaigns. Just off the top of my head, the 109D with carby equipped jumo's was still about in fair numbers, one RAF squadron fought with gladiators throughout the battle and there were a number of Blenheim/Beaufighter Squadrons. Not to mention the much maligned Defiants and I even think some Whirlwinds were about.

As far as I know the FAA squadrons tended to fly land based Hurricanes and Spitfires rather than their own Fulmars and Martlets and there was not a lot for the Stringbag's to do either but these aircraft were all still around. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Weren't the Defiants removed from the battle when they once lost ten in one sortie?

Also, how often did Beaufighters/Blenheims actually go up against the enemy? (Apart from at night, of course)? And planes like the Stringbag may have been around, but what use would they have been in actual aerial combat? They were naval attack planes, what use is that in the Battle of Britain?

JG53Frankyboy
08-07-2008, 03:56 AM
and there were no Jumo driven Bf109s anymore in active combat in July - November 1940.
the german sinlge engine fighterforce was a pure Bf109E one.


and at least for online play , you need a british bomber........... the Spits and Hurries in 1940 didnt carry bombs AFAIK - the BF109 and 110 did.

the last "known" planelist of SoW:BoB is very axis sided when it comes to carrieing bombs , speaking about flyable planes.

JG52Uther
08-07-2008, 04:01 AM
Its a misconception that the Italians only made one attack.They made several,but only caused minimal damage.
Read The Chianti Raiders by Peter Haining.

JG53Frankyboy
08-07-2008, 04:09 AM
the italians during the BoB - or better mostly after the "offical" BoB time has ended , they came late in action................

-> http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/falco_bob.htm (http://www.dalnet.se/%7Esurfcity/falco_bob.htm)

Billy_BigBoy
08-07-2008, 04:30 AM
Originally posted by potver:
What about this one? Fokker D-XXl!
It,s finished if I remember well.http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/potver/Fokker20D2120replica20Schiphol20198.jpg

At last a plane that could REALLY make it into the game!

WOLFPLAYER2007
08-07-2008, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Billy_BigBoy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by potver:
What about this one? Fokker D-XXl!
It,s finished if I remember well.http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/potver/Fokker20D2120replica20Schiphol20198.jpg

At last a plane that could REALLY make it into the game! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is a flying brick, why would you bother to fly this piece of ****?

BWaltteri
08-07-2008, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by WOLFPLAYER2007:

This is a flying brick, why would you bother to fly this piece of ****?

And you probably would fly a Flying saucer and destroy cavemen slingers?

No answer, please think some more.

WOLFPLAYER2007
08-07-2008, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by BWaltteri:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFPLAYER2007:

This is a flying brick, why would you bother to fly this piece of ****?

And you probably would fly a Flying saucer and destroy cavemen slingers?

No answer, please think some more. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Think about what?

BWaltteri
08-07-2008, 12:12 PM
Love thy neighbour. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Billy_BigBoy
08-07-2008, 12:56 PM
This piece of **** happened to be the only fighter which the dutch could bring in to counter the invasion in 1940, and this piece of **** happened to be a good dutch design for that time. And it happened to be I am dutch, but that is probably too patriotic for you.

Xiolablu3
08-07-2008, 01:15 PM
Anthony Fokker was a genius, if he had been asked to build a 'no expense spared' fighter like the Spitfire, then he would likely have come up with a competitor to the 109/Spit.

However the D XXI was built to be a cheap and rugged aircraft, which could be built cheaply in large numbers.

He succeeded in that. It had respectable performance for 1937-40, especially when you consider his design breif.

Cost is a very important factor in wartime, and as an interesting sidenote, Alex Henshaw truly believed when flying the SPitfire prototype, that the SPit would never be adopted by the RAF. I'm paraprasing here becasue its from memory of an inerview, but he said something like... 'Its a beautiful aircraft, but it will never be built of course. Its so expensive to build that the Air ministry will not accept it'

stalkervision
08-07-2008, 04:30 PM
Fokker g1! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://www.dutch-aviation.nl/index5/Military/index5-1%20G1.html

http://www.dutch-aviation.nl/pictures/Fokker/Military/Fokker%20G1%20in%20flight%203.JPG

great site about Fokker

http://www.dutch-aviation.nl/index5/index5-0.html

ElAurens
08-07-2008, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by WOLFPLAYER2007:
This is a flying brick, why would you bother to fly this piece of ****?

You know, there are lots of us who don't care for late war uber planes 24/7/365.

Early war aircraft are overflowing with character. And they take a very patient hand to be successful in because you don't have that monster engine out front covering your mistakes for you.

And they just look so much cooler than the late war hot rods do.

Bremspropeller
08-07-2008, 05:12 PM
And they take a very patient hand to be successful in because you don't have that monster engine out front covering your mistakes for you.

Make sure you don't mix up something here.
That overpovered late-war monster is rather gonna get you killed than a pre-war kitten with only a warm fart below the cowling. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WTE_Galway
08-07-2008, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFPLAYER2007:
This is a flying brick, why would you bother to fly this piece of ****?

You know, there are lots of us who don't care for late war uber planes 24/7/365.

Early war aircraft are overflowing with character. And they take a very patient hand to be successful in because you don't have that monster engine out front covering your mistakes for you.

And they just look so much cooler than the late war hot rods do. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I always found it unfortunate that the more vocal people on forums often belong to the machismo testosterone driven part of the online crowd with their obsession with late war post war/prototype uber-fighters and these same people held so much sway in this sim.

Online players number maybe a few thousand out of some several hundred thousand users of the game though for obvious reasons are in the majority in the forums.

Sometimes I suspect some of these these people are under the illusion that somehow a new super uber boosted high performance rare special prototype will get released for them alone and everyone else will choose to fly older lower performance planes in order to give them a chance to reproduce the great Marianus turkey shoot on HL.

Fortunately most people are not like that and would be just as happy to see a swordfish or 109D appear as a P51H or Fury.

Interestingly the occasional chance encounter with someone that plays offline reveals a quite different set of interests. Their wish list usually includes the obvious like flyable bombers but often seems to include stuff like seaplanes, flying boats, more biplanes including trainers like the Stearman and Tiger Moth and more early war especially BoB and even spanish civil war.



Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Make sure you don't mix up something here.
That overpovered late-war monster is rather gonna get you killed than a pre-war kitten with only a warm fart below the cowling. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Try setting up a mission spawning at a 100 metres AGL in a steep valley on the Slovakia map .. Fiats versus gladiators. A lot of your deaths will be CFIT.

Bremspropeller
08-07-2008, 05:51 PM
That's not my point.

My point is that you're much more likely to kill yourself in an ops-accident, flying an overpowered, high-torque fighter off a short airstrip.

ElAurens
08-07-2008, 05:54 PM
I'm a nearly 100% online player who prefers early war aircraft.

So I guess I don't fit your sterotype very well. But I understand why you think that way. Way too many late war servers out there.

Bremspropellor, your comment about the big engine killing you has no validity in our little sim. In the real world most definitely, but here, pffftttt.... The big fast planes are easy mounts. Why worry about energy management when you can uncork 1500+ BHP anytime you want with no downsides at all?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Bremspropeller
08-07-2008, 05:57 PM
I can see what you mean.

But you gotta admit, it's rather cool to open the throttle and being pushed into the seat...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Come to think of it, I miss that too, in game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

WOLFPLAYER2007
08-07-2008, 06:33 PM
Im all for speed and strong guns, if i want to play with slow aircraft, i'd rather fly a ww1 sim.

WTE_Galway
08-07-2008, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
I'm a nearly 100% online player who prefers early war aircraft.

So I guess I don't fit your sterotype very well. But I understand why you think that way. Way too many late war servers out there.

Bremspropellor, your comment about the big engine killing you has no validity in our little sim. In the real world most definitely, but here, pffftttt.... The big fast planes are easy mounts. Why worry about energy management when you can uncork 1500+ BHP anytime you want with no downsides at all?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Agreed. I can fly anything in this sim and its a bit like motorcycles more power (within sane limits) is safer not harder ... but real world its a wee bit different.

I had the opportunity a few years ago to negotiate some tailwheel training and some basic aerobatic ratings like spins in a Stearman based up in Queensland (never got to actually do it got grounded with diabetes). At the time I had reasonable hours up in a variety of GA stuff, 152/172/182 and various Pipers and some ultralights.

The same guy also had a Pitts and a batch of flyable warbirds including some Italian stuff and a CAC Boomerang. I looked at most of them and thought "be fun to fly that" (had the same reaction upon close inspection of the flyable Spit mkV at Temora) .... and then got to the later stuff and the Seafury and looked up way above my head at this massive engine and prop and thought OMFG no way.

M_Gunz
08-07-2008, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by WOLFPLAYER2007:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/potver/Fokker20D2120replica20Schiphol20198.jpg

This is a flying brick, why would you bother to fly this piece of ****?

Despite outside appearance it was not a brick even though it was strongly built.
For the time it came out it was advanced, in 1935 there were a lot of biplanes in service.

In the hands of the Dutch in dogfights against 109's the DXXI did very well due to good maneuverability.

The Finns did even better against the early Russian planes including I-16's with theirs.

The biggest problem it had was lack of speed compared to later designs. Big whup, there's a
line of planes that became true for.

Throw in French MS.406 and D.520, earlier 109 and you have good early 1940 fighter set.
Still need the bombers and recon planes though.

dgk196
08-07-2008, 10:42 PM
Hey.........

How about an F7F Tigercat?

A HS-132?

How about French ac up to the 'fall'. Many ac, fighters, bombers, close support.

Dutch ac?

The British 'wonders', just for the heck of it, Boulton Paul Defiant comes to mind! Think the 'Stuka' was a sitting duck? You ain't seen nothing yet!

Its a shame, to think of all the aircraft that could be in 'the pipe'! I could come up with at least a couple of hundred ac and I'm sure others could too, without much trouble. Graphics aside, about all I can say about the 'situation' with the 'demise' of IL2, is..........

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush!


And a Bush done twice is three times too many! Just my attempt at a little humor! Never mind!

Dennis

WOLFPLAYER2007
08-07-2008, 11:46 PM
Just a question, what type of fuel that dutch aircraft uses? Marijuana?

lol just kidding...

M_Gunz
08-08-2008, 12:46 AM
Every one of those models is weeks worth of full time work, just ask Gibbage!

Imagine your wife or GF walking into a jewelry store and starting to count stones she wants....

Xiolablu3
08-08-2008, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by WOLFPLAYER2007:
Just a question, what type of fuel that dutch aircraft uses? Marijuana?

lol just kidding...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Wait for the comments about 'stereotyping' to flood in http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bewolf
08-08-2008, 05:46 AM
http://www.luft-art.de/images/paintings/me410-l.jpg

That's a lady we still need in this Sim. One of the most undervalued aircraft of 43.

FatCat_99
08-08-2008, 06:19 AM
I would rather like to see ~200planes removed from sim and the rest done better than now than to see 500 new planes done at same or worser standard than it is now. IMO one good beats 500 bad ones.

FC

Xiolablu3
08-08-2008, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by Bewolf:
http://www.luft-art.de/images/paintings/me410-l.jpg

That's a lady we still need in this Sim. One of the most undervalued aircraft of 43.


Is that the 210 or the 410, mate?

All I have ever read about the 210 is that it was a terrible aircraft which almost lead to Messerscmitt being sacked from his own company?

The Me410 was much improved, I believe, but didnt that appear in 1944?

Bremspropeller
08-08-2008, 06:46 AM
The 210 was a shot in the dust.

The 210 in-game, however, is a late production model. It already has the refinements made for the 410 installed (hungarian production IIRC) and therefore is actually a 410, the type-specification wasn't changed though.

Brain32
08-08-2008, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Bremspropellor, your comment about the big engine killing you has no validity in our little sim. In the real world most definitely, but here, pffftttt.... The big fast planes are easy mounts. Why worry about energy management when you can uncork 1500+ BHP anytime you want with no downsides at all?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Oh it has and it has it big time, you can get in trouble faster then you can say "P-40" with a late war aircraft and getting out of it is way harder as all your opponents are as fast and as good at everything else as you. Decision making is done in miliseconds, mistake is a death 90% of time as everybody carries heavy armament. Engines are powerfull but vastly more prone to overheating(except certain types http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif) so you have to take that into account too not to mention that at speeds at which you manouver in late war planes you really, really have to pay more attention to G-loading. Planes are heavier and harder to manouver, etc.
I know early planes have their charm, but I'm speed adicted and things that cruise at or below my take off speed just don't attract me much...

I find late war planes much more exciting, actually even that is not fast enough for me, I can't wait Luthier's SoW:Korea and probably the perfect thing would be a true high fidelity Vietnam simulation with guns and early cr@ppy missiles at hair raising speeds of over Mach1.
Man, gun to gun with F-8 Crusader against MiG-17 would be a true kick...

Bewolf
08-08-2008, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
The 210 was a shot in the dust.

The 210 in-game, however, is a late production model. It already has the refinements made for the 410 installed (hungarian production IIRC) and therefore is actually a 410, the type-specification wasn't changed though.

Well, going by the fact the 410 was just a refined 210, and it's name only changed for psychological reasons, one could argue the 410 is actually a 210 late variant.

@Xio: The original 210 was indeed a very troublesome aircraft, but it's bugs were ironed out with the 210 C version. As mentioned by Brems already, that variant went into production in Hungary and Germany with the DB605 engine. The 410 was equipped with the DB603. The final version actually was a very capable aircraft. It only suffered by single engine fighters. A russian trial actually considered it superiour to the Mosquito (sorry, no sources anymore, take it with a grain of salt), though I am not exactly sure why these rather different aircraft were pitted against each other. The 410 appeared at the end of 42/beginning of 43. I suspect it never got more attention because most attention got to planes that fell victim to escort fighters during bomber attacks and thus could never really build a reputation.

Billy_BigBoy
08-08-2008, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFPLAYER2007:
Just a question, what type of fuel that dutch aircraft uses? Marijuana?

lol just kidding...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Wait for the comments about 'stereotyping' to flood in http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In that case I will refer to Bewolfs tagline...

erco415
08-08-2008, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by PanzerAce:
So, as a follow up to my 'what mods are you using' thread, now is the 'What new planes would you like to see in the sim?' thread.

For me: The P-61 and He-100, which held the world record for level speed in a prop plane until Rare Bear cme along, and over a 100km course did 634.32kph, with a DB601a engine (though there is debate as to if it was a stock engine or modified for this flight)

I'd like those two too!

Wondering about the speed record for the He-100, was it because of the speed over the course that it's record lasted so long? Plenty of prop birds went faster before the war was out, I'm thinking about the XP-47J which made 507mph/815.92kph in level flight. But nobody was trying to set a record, so it's unofficial.
Cheers!

Bewolf
08-08-2008, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by erco415:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PanzerAce:
So, as a follow up to my 'what mods are you using' thread, now is the 'What new planes would you like to see in the sim?' thread.

For me: The P-61 and He-100, which held the world record for level speed in a prop plane until Rare Bear cme along, and over a 100km course did 634.32kph, with a DB601a engine (though there is debate as to if it was a stock engine or modified for this flight)

I'd like those two too!

Wondering about the speed record for the He-100, was it because of the speed over the course that it's record lasted so long? Plenty of prop birds went faster before the war was out, I'm thinking about the XP-47J which made 507mph/815.92kph in level flight. But nobody was trying to set a record, so it's unofficial.
Cheers! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The He100 was also unarmed and unarmored. It also had a cooling system that worked from within the wings with pipes the coolant was lead through, making this plane highly vulnerable to enemy fire.

Urufu_Shinjiro
08-08-2008, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Bewolf:
http://www.luft-art.de/images/paintings/me410-l.jpg

That's a lady we still need in this Sim. One of the most undervalued aircraft of 43.

Wish Granted!

Both the 210 and the 410 are in the mods. The 410 is an incredible piece of work!

I_KG100_Prien
08-08-2008, 11:58 AM
I've been enjoying the 410. Oddly enough I've also been loving the HS129. I was doing some tank busting with one and decided to fly around a little with externals on. Flew low and fired the BK 7.5 a couple of times.. The barrel had the recoil effect, and the casings that ejected out of the back smoked all the way to the ground- and bounced a couple of times.

Some of the things you see in this sim still get me from time to time.. Had never seen large shells bounce off the ground like that.

On a side note- I'd like to see more early aircraft as well. Also I'd like to see more Eastern Front servers (with full switch).. I burned out on late war western... Tired of being shot down by Spitfires/Mustangs- Time to be shot down by LA's and Yaks instead http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

jdigris001
08-08-2008, 05:23 PM
Id like to see the Wellington, if nothing just to see the damage model of the geodetic structure when they take some hits.

But seriously, why didnt the Lancaster ever get into the game, theres B17s and B29s and almost everything between, but no Lancasters!