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p1ngu666
02-04-2005, 07:58 PM
well, ive recently been practising level bombing, and turret gunning mainly in b25 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ive become resonable (just) at this so what is there too learn for other things?

i can dogfight, fly pretty much any plane, can skip bomb, dive bomb though i need some more time in the stuka to figure out its bombsight, and some turret time in he111 and stuka.

i was thinking of learning instrument and blind flying (same thing?) for when the overcast arrives, also handy for night ops http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

is there anything else to make myself a more rounded fp pilot? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

suggestions please http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

JG7_Rall
02-04-2005, 09:37 PM
Judging by your post count, it's hard to believe that you have time for anything else besides spamming these forums to death.

ImpStarDuece
02-04-2005, 10:10 PM
Ive seen you practicing your skills on SarahZooms server among others Pingu and i'd say that you pretty much have most of it covered. Only thing i can see is you need to get a little bit more unpredicatable in you defensive tactics.

B-25,s, A-20s, He-111s are big birds and no one expects you to throw them ound very much. A few voilent manouvers can realy throw a pilot off for a pass or two and allow some help to get to you. rolls, wing overs, break turns, loops (!) all can get you out of trouble if used well, particularly against B'n'Z ers

I was in a zero up against a good SBD pilot in the Wildcat vs Zeke server and he performed some good corkscrews, wing overs and barrels which threw my aim off in three consecutive passes. It allowed a Wildcat to sneak up on me and between the pair of them i was in a good fight. Splashed both, but used all my ammo and took some lead myself.

A straight level plane is a target. Even the big 4 engined bomber pilots during the war tried some crazy manouvers. Never be content to let only your turrets do the defensive work.

Fish6891
02-05-2005, 02:24 AM
P1nguuuuuuuuuuuu!!! :0

p1ngu666
02-05-2005, 05:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
Ive seen you practicing your skills on SarahZooms server among others Pingu and i'd say that you pretty much have most of it covered. Only thing i can see is you need to get a little bit more unpredicatable in you defensive tactics.

B-25,s, A-20s, He-111s are big birds and no one expects you to throw them ound very much. A few voilent manouvers can realy throw a pilot off for a pass or two and allow some help to get to you. rolls, wing overs, break turns, loops (!) all can get you out of trouble if used well, particularly against B'n'Z ers

I was in a zero up against a good SBD pilot in the Wildcat vs Zeke server and he performed some good corkscrews, wing overs and barrels which threw my aim off in three consecutive passes. It allowed a Wildcat to sneak up on me and between the pair of them i was in a good fight. Splashed both, but used all my ammo and took some lead myself.

A straight level plane is a target. Even the big 4 engined bomber pilots during the war tried some crazy manouvers. Never be content to let only your turrets do the defensive work. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

problem is b25 has sensitive controls, much like a 190 so u can easly stall it, and its often impossible to unstall it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

rolling the plane in a spiral often works well, but hard todo from a turret http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

point taken tho, ill practise dodgin more, and i have read lots about bomber aircraft and crew, wish we had a lancaster http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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p1ngu666
02-05-2005, 05:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
Judging by your post count, it's hard to believe that you have time for anything else besides spamming these forums to death. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i spam on netwings too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

p1ngu666
02-05-2005, 05:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fish6891:
P1nguuuuuuuuuuuu!!! :0 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

fishface!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

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PBNA-Boosher
02-05-2005, 05:40 AM
BOOOOSHER!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hehe. When I get on tonight P1, if you want to, we can do some practice bombing runs in B-25's, 111's, you name it....

I also highly suggest practice with dive bombing the P-38. It's tough to do in the J, without the dive flaps, but highly possible.

Taylortony
02-05-2005, 07:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
is there anything else to make myself a more rounded fp pilot? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
suggestions please http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

QUIT....................................... Hahahahahahahahahaha http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Eat more??????? Hahahahahaahahahaha......... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

JG7_Rall
02-05-2005, 08:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
Judging by your post count, it's hard to believe that you have time for anything else besides spamming these forums to death. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i spam on netwings too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dang dude! Which forum has the higher post count?

p1ngu666
02-05-2005, 09:08 AM
this one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

i got 2800odd on tekforums but i dont post much now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Jumoschwanz
02-05-2005, 09:14 AM
Here a a few skills that everyone on Hyperlobby needs to work on:


1.Flying in combat on absolute full difficulty settings with no icons.

2. Making 45 to 90 degree drflection shots while zooming and booming at 500 to 800 km/hr while flying on full difficulty settings with no icons.

3. Identifying aircraft so you don't shoot your teamates while making full deflection shots at 500 to 800 km/hr on servers with full difficulty settings, with no icons.

4. Identifying aircraft on servers with full difficulty settings with no icons, period.

I stress no icons because a lot of servers think they are full difficulty but they still have icons on, if you hit the switch for full difficulty though it shuts this off, lets leave it off ok?


If you cannot make these kinds of shots on full difficulty it is not becuase it cannot be done, it is becuase you have not tried it and practiced enough.

Same goes for identifying aircraft with icons turned off. It is not just a visual skill. It is part of combat awareness to know where the airfields and targets are. With knowledge and practice you can develop the intuition neccesary to see a dot at great distance and by it's direction, altitude and behavior be ninety percent sure if it is a friend or foe.

When you can fly around on a full difficulty server with no icons, zoom around and make full deflection shots on the enemy at 500 to 800 km/hr and can hold a kill to death ratio of at least five to one then maybe you can start to think you have a handle on things. Now go to work........

Jumoschwanz

ClnlSandersLite
02-05-2005, 03:44 PM
"no icons"

Unfourtunately, this also depends hihgly on your rig. My current rig is a low end POS, I can maintain decent frames with low graphics settings, but visual identification is just impossible until you get to around 600m (not counting bombers). Icons are a must (at least friendly/foe) for us types.

Sturm_Williger
02-05-2005, 03:55 PM
Hey Jumoschwanz - how do you acquire the "With knowledge and practice" to ID friend or foe ?

I'm only just dipping a toe into the waters of Cockpit on + CEM, but I would imagine that without icons, I'm going to fry a lot of friendlies before I have it taped ( by which time, said friendlies will probably be shooting me down in pure self-defence http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

Do higher or lower resolutions make a difference ?

Cheers

Sir.Robin-1337
02-05-2005, 04:11 PM
Admirable P1ngu666, very admirable, stepping out onto a journey of flight simmian enlightenment.
You remind me of me, back in 1985.

Jumoschwanz
02-05-2005, 07:01 PM
Hey Sturm-Williger - the Il2 series of flight simulators comes with two features called Quick Mission Builder and Full Mission Builder that let you set up different scenarios in which you can practice high speed deflection shots on full difficulty settings!

When you are flying with full difficulty settings you will have to do things differently than on a wonder-woman or icons simulation.

Your first pass on a suspected foe might or might not be a firing pass, it you suspect a dot is a foe set it up and be prepared to just make a IDENTIFYING PASS on the object. If you can see it is a foe then fire, if not just fly by and identify the target, zoom up and away and set up a firing pass.

Know where the front markers are. Watch what known friendly bomber gunners and AAA is firing at. Watch what is attacking your ground targets. Watch for the flashes on the ground behind your lines that show heavy aaa is targeting a bogey. If dots are coming toward your territory in formation at altitude they are more likely foes. Returning friendlies will more likely be coming back lower and faster, not looking for targets. Those trailing a smoker heading for your line are probably foes, just as those trailing and firing at a smoking craft heading to enemy territory are probably friendlies.

Get it? there are a hundred little clues and common sense tricks to learn and discover to tell you what is what. If you just bite the bullet and start doing it you will figure it out. And you will have a blast becuase you are no longer playing a game but engaging in a simulation using the same reasoning and thought process that pilots actually had to use back in the day.
Before long you will be cruising along on full difficulty servers, looking at dots, tracers, maps, briefs and artillery flashes and thinking "lets see, that dot is coming from there and going that way, at this altitude and etc...." and you will know in your gut it is time to move in for a closer looksee. S!

Jumoschwanz

Sturm_Williger
02-06-2005, 03:28 PM
Cheers for that - every little bit helps. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I have already found that cockpit on increases the immersion exponentially.

(It's also nice to get a helpful answer without an y flames)

If I may be so bold as to ask another : Is there any specific manoeuver that's best for re-acquiring the bogey when you've lost it ?

I find ( probably more with the AI than with other online pilots ) that as soon as it disappears behind a cockpit bar, it will radically change course and I'm never looking in the right place. Usually it's behind a bar and I don't want to change my flight path in order to see it as I will then no longer be flying an intercept course ... but it has a habit of whizzing off, still hidden by the bar.

Ok, I accept that my SA is probably still in its infancy, I just wondered what you do to spot it and still fly the intercept.

Thanks again.

WTE_Galway
02-06-2005, 05:43 PM
close (less than 20 metres) formation flying

Jumoschwanz
02-06-2005, 05:47 PM
The answer is going to start to sound the same for a lot of questions. It is just lot's of practice that helps develop insight and intuition on most of this stuff.

After a while you get to know the AI, and get to know human nature, so that in a battle you develop a sixth sense and a situational awareness on where the foe is.

I can be in a dogfight with a foe, in a scissors or other close manuever, have my eye on the opponent, bank the plane the other way and flick my hatswitch and instantly re-acquire the target. I know by the attitude and direction of the opponents plane where he is most likely to be, and I have used the hat switch and base buttons a certain way for so long I don't even have to think about what I am doing to acquire the target.
Sure every one loses the target now and then. If you are at high alt the best thing to do is go straight and look around like he11, turnig a bit now and then to look behind. If you lose a target in a dogfight and fly around in circles he is going to shoot you down. Flying more of a straight line makes the opponent have to chase you and he will end up somewhat behind sooner or later.

At low alt you want to get on the deck and go relatively straight also, for the same reasons. It will put the foe behind eventually and you will have less places to search right? And also on the deck he will not be able to blend into the ground as well.

Best of course is not to lose him in the first place, and that gets back to being well practiced.

Then there is the saying of Hartmann's was it? Where he said if he found himself in a dogfight he knew he had screwed up.

As time goes by more and more I like the idea of not getting into a dogfight at all, but just using savvy to locate an unsuspecting target, making one good pass, and the job is done.

Many get mad when you stay out of the reach of a dogfight and just zoom and boom them to pieces but that is the safe way to success.

Recently I was on a server and shot down thirteen opponents without being shot down myself, using energy techniques and staying away from turn fighting. This is the easy way to do it, and you don't need a great handling plane either. You can load up with gunpods and cannons and if you spot a good target you don't have to do any fancy manuevers or dogfighting.

I love flying the axis planes with gunpods, staying out of trouble and getting the job done with one hit.
I shot a Sturmovik down with the bf110 that had the twin 30mm cannons, nice and easy, one shot. Then an La5fn got on my six, I had two big bombs set to 2 sec. delay, I was in the gunners position and let them go and watched the La dissapear in a ball of flame. Right after that a P-39 picked me up so I turned head on and blew him to pieces with the big cannons. Job done, flew back and landed three hundred points. Nice and easy.
I am a lazy old man, and I will continue to develop a technique to get my job done with the least amount of excitement and work. This is fun for me. S!

Jumoschwanz

Sturm_Williger
02-07-2005, 05:25 AM
Thanks a lot m8. Turning to look for him is my big mistake.

Practicing I am.

Cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tallyho1961
02-07-2005, 07:17 AM
Great advice and wisdom, Jumoschwanz.

I've only been flying online for about ten days and I find myself doing the things you warn against all the time - especially turn-fighting when I miss my first firing pass - which is way too often.

Thank you for the insights.

p1ngu666
02-07-2005, 07:37 PM
gonna give the combat stuff a pass, and the close formation, always feel nervous in close formation, lag could colide planes together http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

gonna re read stuff on lanc navigator, and instrument flying too, maybe some bombing with 1 engine too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ill give the combat stuff a look later, ive been flying fighter, or ground attack missions for 2 years probably http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

jumo gives good tips, full real isnt my thing really, but im not gonna rag on others for liking it, and i do fly in warclouds abit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif